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Lyzko 18 | 5,325    
1 Nov 2018  #841
Either extreme is pretty bad; how is a left-libetard "dictatorship" any worse than a radical-right agenda which encourages bullying of those not W.A.S.P. and marginalizes anyone not deemed "Duke Wayne" super-duper patriot?
Joker - | 801    
1 Nov 2018  #842
Now Trump wants to make any child born in this country to a non-citizen an "illegal", for the first time in US history.

Youre not much of a historian or is this more lefty propaganda?

The14th amendment was created for slaves after the civil war and thats it....First time in history?ROTFL!!!

Now, its being used as a loop hole for illegal immigration. Trump is putting an end to this nonsense and you libs are having another meltdown.

What other country has open borders Lyzko?

America has issued over 40 million green cards since the 1970`s more than any other country in the world. This is factual history!
Joker - | 801    
1 Nov 2018  #843
But I fear that unless you have some kind of massive uprising,you will succumb too.

Very true, we do share a common enemy. PCness is a diesese that has spread around the world:(
Miloslaw 8 | 874    
1 Nov 2018  #844
The extreme right and extreme left are equally dangerous.
But the extreme left are the ones gaining momentum now.
The extreme right are still pretty marginalized and shunned by most people.
Yet the extreme left are being increasingly accepted by mainstream people.
The left is the greater danger.
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,925    
1 Nov 2018  #845
I want to see open borders for israel. The leftist jews in the us want open borders here. But when its applied to israel suddenly they're for borders and not too keen on taking in arabs and africans...

Clearly theyve never read Immanuel kant and his categorical imperative.
Miloslaw 8 | 874    
1 Nov 2018  #846
Please don't tell me you're another antisemitic......
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,925    
1 Nov 2018  #847
So zionists can put their money where their mouth is. They insist on 'cultural enrichment' for europe and us, but never for israel.
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,925    
1 Nov 2018  #849
Feinstein, schumer, blumenthal, schiff, wasserman schultz, kagan, ginsburg, barbara spectre, etc (europe cannot ve the homogenous society it once was. They must become multicultural. It must take place.. And we jews will be at the center of that)

Heres her speech
youtu.be/85BKDj_1vVU

It was afterall a zionist jew jacob javitz who authored and pushed the immigration act of 1965 and exclaimed open the floodgates. Third world people with little to no merit and valuable skills came flooding in since.

Atleast soros is consistent. He wants open borders everywhere including israel and thats why the israeli government hates him.
Miloslaw 8 | 874    
1 Nov 2018  #850
I think you are misinterpreting or misunderstanding her comments.
Rich Mazur 5 | 2,237    
1 Nov 2018  #851
The extreme right and extreme left are equally dangerous.

That distinction is false. NAZIs and communists were both extreme left - a movement that craves totalitarianism and a government that is a powerful as possible.

True extreme right wants the government to be as small and as powerless as possible with just enough left to perform its only legitimate function: defending the country.
Miloslaw 8 | 874    
1 Nov 2018  #852
You are deliberately or mistakenly misinterpreting me
I said that the extreme left and extreme right were equally dangerous.
You said that distinction was false.
I made no distinction.
In fact I agree with you,there is barely a difference between fascism and communism.
Rich Mazur 5 | 2,237    
1 Nov 2018  #853
You are deliberately or mistakenly misinterpreting me

That was not my intention. My problem is that every time I read about the "extreme right", there is no definition of what it is.

The extreme left is simple: ANTIFA, communists, black street thugs, screaming leftist student vandals at the American campuses, Maxine Walters and her clones, etc..
Now that I defined the extreme left, what is the extreme right? Because I hate the Latino invasion, I am against abortion, I like the 2nd, does that make me "extreme right"?

Just asking, not looking for a fight.
Miloslaw 8 | 874    
1 Nov 2018  #854
No.That doesn't make you extreme right.
Many of us with conservative,or right wing views are instantly labeled as extreme right wingers or even fascists by the left.
It's all bollocks of course....
Tacitus 1 | 766    
1 Nov 2018  #855
I wish people would stop claiming that Nazism was a far left-wing movement. This is just such a ridiculous notion.

indy100.com/article/nazi-socialist-right-wing-white-supremacists-history-twitter-mikestuchbery-7900001
Lyzko 18 | 5,325    
1 Nov 2018  #856
@Joker,

While there is to be sure historical precedent for this entire birthright issue which I neglected to mention for fear of overstating the obvious,
Trump nonetheless is attempting to marginalize even those BORN in the US, merely because of his bias against brown-skinned and Latin people, case closed!
Rich Mazur 5 | 2,237    
1 Nov 2018  #857
I wish people would stop claiming that Nazism was a far left-wing movement. This is just such a ridiculous notion.

Then define left and right in terms of objectives and methods for now and we will attach the labels after that.
Other than allowing private property, how was Nazism different from Communism in governing and civil rights?
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,925    
1 Nov 2018  #858
Nazism = National SOCIALISM....

Trump nonetheless is attempting to marginalize even those BORN in the US, merely because of his bias against brown-skinned and Latin people, case closed!

No its because women purposely come here pregnant often a month or two before birth and decides to give birth in us solely to give her kid us citizenship. Aka anchor babies. The us taxpayer pays for the hospital stay, medical bills, education, etc. Meanwhile the women eithet takes cash jobs bc she has no social security and thus pays no income tax. But dont think that being an illegal stoos them from getting government benefits like food stamps.Thats what trump and many others dont want. The dems love that though and want it to continue so after they get citizenship theyll vote for them.
Tacitus 1 | 766    
1 Nov 2018  #859
Then define left and right in terms of objectives and methods for now and we will attach the labels after that.

Just read the link I provided you with.

The autor nails it here:

"So, if you're peddling this 'munuhmunuh NAZIS ARE SOCIALISTS' bullshit you're either massively dense or an evil prick."
johnny reb 16 | 3,462    
1 Nov 2018  #860
how was Nazism different from Communism

Geography ?
Rich Mazur 5 | 2,237    
2 Nov 2018  #861
That's not what I wrote.
Geography what?
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,925    
2 Nov 2018  #862
Do you understand what nazism was? It was national socialism as opposed to the international socialism the russian Bolsheviks were pushing. Its the same system of 1 party control, government controlling daily life of its citizens, little to no opposition, command economy, high military spending, lots of government subsidy and involvement in industry, media, etc. Only difference is that Nazism is socialism focusing on the german people and german nation as opposed to numerous different nationalities and even countries like the ussr model
Ironside 47 | 9,261    
2 Nov 2018  #863
Please don't tell me you're another antisemitic......

IF somebody doesn't like Jews that is his/her right. What gives?
Rich Mazur 5 | 2,237    
2 Nov 2018  #864
Its the same system of 1 party control, government controlling daily life of its citizens, little to no opposition, command economy, high military spending,

Exactly my point. To the average guy, it's the same totalitarian crap.
I am still waiting for the definition what the extreme right is other than a forum debate deflection.
TheOther 5 | 3,589    
2 Nov 2018  #865
Nazism is socialism

It wasn't socialism. Private ownership was allowed for example, and the society was capitalistic. Socialism is an economic system where the means of production are owned by the state or public. In a pure socialist economy, there is no free market.
Rich Mazur 5 | 2,237    
2 Nov 2018  #866
That is why my question in #857 was:

Other than allowing private property, how was Nazism different from Communism in governing and civil rights?
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,925    
2 Nov 2018  #867
Socialism is an economic system where the means of production are owned by the state or public.

Thats communism, an extreme form of socialism....

Most people would agree that places like Norway sweden are socialist democracies yet property amd multiple parties are allowed. Especially cuba and venezuela are socialist. Yet that doesnt mean private property is outlawed.

No matter how you slice it, nazism is literally national SOCIALISM. Its socialism mixed with nationalism. The whole reason why nazism became so popular and they won elections is bc they mixed the popular tenets of socialism/communism to appeal to leftists with nationalism to appeal to the conservatives. Its just that you leftists dont like your precious socialism to be tarnished by stating facts like nazism is national socialism and that cuba, Venezuela and north korea who took socialism to an extreme are sh1tholes. Socialist prl ussr etc dont even exist and china ditched economic socialism long ago.
johnny reb 16 | 3,462    
2 Nov 2018  #868
That's not what I wrote.Geography what?

You a little short for that one Rich. lol
What has Alex been up to ?
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,925    
2 Nov 2018  #869
capitalistic. Socialism is an economic system where the means of production are owned by the state or public. In a pure socialist economy, there is no free market.

Again thats communism which is socialism in an extreme form with a command economy. National socialist germanys was mixed. While yes it was capitalist the state had by far the most control over key industries. Nazis ruled all the largest factories, media outlets, banks, basically any large business. And good luck operating a small to mid sized company without the nazi stamp of approval. In that sense the nazi economy resembled a communist command economy but with less government control, although still far higher levels than a free market economy like the us

Unless nazi doesnt stand for national socialist, then nazism isnt nationalist socialism. Every socialist country had varying degrees of socialist tenets, some avoid certain tenets altogether. Some have de facto one party rule with a command economy while others have several parties with a market economy. Cubas socialist system is unlike venezuela which is unlike chinas which is unlike north koreas which was unlike the ussr amd even that differed in certain ways from prl. Yet theyre all socialist countries.
TheOther 5 | 3,589    
2 Nov 2018  #870
how was Nazism different from Communism in governing and civil rights?

Just a few examples:
Race instead of social class played the key role. Nazi Germany was a capitalistic country allowing free enterprise. They had freedom of religion (except for Jews and Jehova's Witnesses, of course). You could travel freely abroad and also emigrate.

Thats communism, an extreme form of socialism....

You're mistaken, Dirk. Look at 'Private Property'.

Socialism: "Public property includes factories, and means of production owned by the State but with worker control."

diffen.com/difference/Communism_vs_Socialism



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