Brexit Britain on its way to a Banana Republic?

Western Europe don`t have enoug resources to sustain itself. I am curious what now happens in multi-polar world when they can`t random loot round the globe. Obviously some internal sh** must happen. If they can`t kill and steal from strangers, they will kill their own populace. Maybe use Arabs and Turks on civilians.

See, Britain, being part of Anglo world, still have more manuverable space then other western Europeans.

Self-reliability is very important. Poland has to keep that in mind and start deep changes in her farming and industry. We are in a deadly danger - with Russians and Germans making anti-Polish deals over our heads again, but this time it's even worse - the USA are supporting them in it. The EU, the USA and Russia are all against us. Poland is in grave danger - the vultures are circling around our heads again.

Kania, crazy brate or sister, what Russian-German deal against Poland with Serbs in the game? What DEAL for the sake of dobri Bog when Poland allow transport of most heavy Russian armament to Serbia via Poland. Daily politics is one thing, a distruction, but they DO HAVE air-bridge and even ICBM is announced for transport.

So don`t be moron brate. Its more likely Polish-Russian deal against Germany.

Nord Steam is joke and Balkan Stream is reality.

Tell me that you understand, please. Give me sign.

@GefreiterKania
I agree

NS2 pipeline - the worst backstabbing against Poland since Austria taking parts in the partitions.


Good, Serbia are our friends.


*facepalm*


Nord Stream is a tool to make sure that Germany becomes the main energy hub in the EU, and in return Russia gets a tool to blackmail Poland and Ukraine (plus some nice money to finance their invasions). Whenever Russia invades someone from now on (be it Georgia, Ukraine, the Baltics or Poland) we will have to call it a joint Russian-German invasion - because Germans will be financing it.


There is only one sign I know - White Eagle in Gold Crown... and vultures circling around it.


All Polish patriots do. The signs are more obvious than ever.

Please cut down on your number of quotes

I'm fairly sure that deal won't survive Merkel....it's her baby and she is the only one still clinging to it....her successor Laschet already made disapproving noises and the rivals (especially the Greens) are against it or at least lukewarm on it...

But yes, why Biden agreed to that deal beats me, the only one cackling gleefully here is Putin!

Maybe Merkel will write a book about her time as the Chancellor some time later...and then she will explain why she did what she did....right now she leaves most people puzzled...

I know you're against this abomination, BB. You're a good friend. Unfortunately, all signs in heaven and earth show that the pipeline will be finished.

That coming from you speaks volumes, I cannot ignore it. It´s true then

@Bratwurst Boy
Let´s hope so, it´s pushing Poland in to re-evaluating her geo-stratigical positions. Last time that happened was post 1989

Yeah....she will be finished, it is already nearly done.

But it doesn't have to be kept working....at least Laschet can be understand that way. He more or less said the moment Putin uses that pipeline as a tool against Ukraine or anything like it the deal is off....

Lavrov has already said that any suggestions that gas transfer through Ukraine will continue after opening NS2 are "ridiculous".

Well...lets wait for the elections to be over.....sooner or later that pipeline is going to be re-evaluated by the new gov in Berlin....once Merkel is gone!

Right now don't expect anything...Merkel is still there, a lame duck....there is Corona (that CHINESE flu)....and everybody is in election-campaign-mood where domestic topics rule everything...

Waiting is the one thing that Poland can't do now. The worst demons from the past are awaken - Germany and Russia are at it again but this time the USA is supporting them. The horror!

Poland play well and I don`t worry. Serbia is closer and closer to Visegrad (as Hungarian Orban spoke) and Russia is content with it, as always in history was content with Polish-Serbian close ties. Our close ties are best guaranty for peace in Europe because we forming Balkan-Baltic axis and Central Europe becoming independant and tend to balance diverse continental and global interests.

Yes, the Trimarium idea is becoming more important now than ever. My only worry is that it's too late...

Beware of Vatican, not of Russia. Serbs influence Russia, Germany has strategic deal with the Vatican.

Yes, the awareness of Vatican's actions from the past (against Poland and against Slavia in general) is rising in Polish society.

Orban is right and we all know it from long ago. We need strong Central Europe to care of our specific interests.

Orban will be to busy licking chinese boots to care for New-Sarmatia...

@Bratwurst Boy
That´s his business, we as Poles can count on the Hungarians no matter what. Just as the Hungarians can count on Poles in times of crises, no matter their political allegiances.

Seriously? With Hungary once firmly in chinese pockets are you sure you can still count on Hungary?

@Bratwurst Boy

Considering Hungary was Nazi´s Germany´s last loyal ally and despite of that Hungarian troops not only provided relief and help when garrisoned near Warsaw in 1944 but, also went as far as actively letting voulenteers help out with the fighting on the Polish side that they had to be withdrawn from the area by the Germans...

So yes, the world was looking and passively helping and being sympathetic towards that plight or willfully ignoring it. Our "supposed" enemies who were on the Axis side helped us out in our most dire time of need. I will never forget it, and have a hard time imagining that any Pole will ever wants to or forgets it. He should then rightfully be reminded of such things then.

Hungary only moved out of Germanic orbit and care for its own interests, among else, good relations with Slavs and Chinese.

There is nothing that can be done about it anyways. So it would be wise to revaluate strategy and plans, hell there should be a one ready. Do they even do that stuff in Poland?


geez don't get exited, what is that drama for? When stuff is getting serious there is no point in loosing energy on some emotional fireworks


I think you underestimate Orban and Hungary.

Emotional fireworks can spur people into action when pure reason is not enough for them to act. Bad things are happening around Poland and the government should react, and not pretend that everything is OK because it isn't!

Spike mentioned Turkey as one of possible allies. Perhaps Turkey, Iran, Venezuela and China would have to be looked at in different light these days, as all the old "allies" seem to care nothing about Poland's interests. And, of course, the co-operation within Trimarium has to be strenghtened as well. The EU and the USA treat us as if we were some bloody colonial bantustan. It's not only what they did, but how they treated Poland and Ukraine in the entire matter. F**k them all - strenghten the army, build strategic reserves, invest in farming and industry, create new and multiple alliances (Iran, China etc.) and f**k them all.


Do you think she will describe how Gazprom corrupted former German Chancellors? Fat chance...

Why would they?


excuses what people PF readers? lol! I can envision them smashing up iPods in protest..


Told you so,,,,years ago ,,
Poland can count only on itself and those alliances that can be forged with those who need us or whose interests align with ours..

Looks like :-/

I should have listened to you back then...

...but no, I had my head full of "common democratic values", "cooperation of Europeans", "our common history and heritage", "big European family" blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda... I was such an idiot.


Well, we were f**** in the a** by those whom we considered allies, and this is what happens...

youtu.be/9ausPKEMVk0

Thing is it is in USA interest to build up three seas area for a number of reasons, if they would act according to logic.

Somehow Democrats think that can keep F up overseas and still come back on the top. I would say that is really arogant and dumb and it is going to bite them in the ass as the world is changing..no so much them but the USA as a whole...maybe that is what they want ..


Don't be too hard on yourself, Poles are suckers for platitudes and empty promises when it come to politicks, a side effect of not having a country during the whole 19th century..

As I have written earlier, they perceive Germany as a better bet. Will most likely always do even in state of war, just so they can profit out of them after the war. It's only about money for them and nothing else, mathematicians performing diplomacy.

A Better bet to do what?
I mean sure if they go with Germany they don't have to invest any money or much effort as if they delegate the problem. Thing is with Germany they don't quite get what they want.

Three seas made by Germany would be a string of neighbouring EE countries dominated by Germany backed by the EU. A new take on the old mitteleuropa concept. How this going to serve US interest?

I can see it short term but a long term is rather against their interest. German dominated Europe and not only EU.
Germany can and will side with Russia when and how that will suit them. Something that Poland and three seas would have rather a slim chance of achieving.

Won't stop them from making some kind of accommodation with china rather then siding with the USA. I could keep going ...
With Poland and EE -three seas it would be a region depending on USA for a long time to come, would keep in check Germany and Russia on their behalf, and would offer a lot opportunities to invest much more so than EU or dominated by Germany Europe would...

Long term with a strong economy building up military is not a problem so NATO would become redundant ,,,once they will happen the USA would loose it main atut with EU.

So their only ally in Europe would be uk.

... and that's a big "if". What on earth is the logic behind Biden bending over to Russia - strenghtening their economy and giving them a tool to use against America's allies? And I don't buy all this "we have to succumb to Russia now or they will ally themselves with China" nonsense. The Chinese see Russia as an expansion area, with sparsely populated Siberia, full of arable land and natural resources and would never treat them as allies in any real sense of the word.

This German-Russian-American deal is wrong on so many levels it boggles the mind. No logic in it at all. I can understand that Merkel's political career is coming to an end and Gazprom might have bought her, just like they bought Schroeder before, but the Americans taking part in it is a different level of surreality.