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How have Albanians wronged Poles in the past?


Crow 151 | 9,722
3 May 2018 #181
Its hoax story. Propaganda. Actually, Serbians were victim of multiple genocides on them.

Compared to the later interventions, this is a success.

No. Its failure. Biggest failure not just because NATO and EU reacted to support Nazis and extreme Muslims in the region- bearers of genocide on Serbians, but actually NATO and EU, lured by interests of western Europe (Germany, France and UK), themselves took part in the genocide on Serbs. With time, this will prove to be reason for dissolution of NATO and EU.
Miloslaw 12 | 3,287
3 May 2018 #182
Serbs were victims.
Without question.
But they also committed atrocities and some have now,quite rightly,been punished.
Stop painting Serbs as saints,
The whole world knows the truth.....
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,791
3 May 2018 #183
There is peace now in the Balkans, which is a success.

The Economist says otherwise
economist.com/news/europe/21737057-anniversary-highlights-divisions-among-countrys-serbs-and-albanians-decade
fox25boston.com/news/the-latest-osce-condemns-violence-on-journalists-in-kosovo/722577031

ROFL peace?! There's terrorists, nonstop violence (granted it's mainly low level insurgency), shootings, tons of organized crime, human trafficking, cheap home made booze, counterfeit cigs - sounds like a paradise. Many of the streets and town squares are named after the Clintons - quite fitting.

It just takes time to civilize them.

Would've been far more civilized had the Serbs just taken over the whole place and remained the rightful rulers of Kosovo. Then you wouldn't have an abomination like Kosovo and all the violence, crime, terror, etc that's occurred since it's creation.
Crow 151 | 9,722
17 May 2018 #184
See, here in the region, only Serbians have something to say in front of Merkel. Its like having insight into the entire history of the region. THEY come from outside and tries to organize (as it suits to them) us here and then only defiant Serbs have something to say. Then, Serbs are problem.

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But they also committed atrocities and some have now,quite rightly,been punished.

In reality, it is same as if you said- `But Poles also committed atrocities and some have now,quite rightly,been punished` because some Poles committed crimes from revenge on Germans during WWII.

Stop painting Serbs as saints

Serbs didn`t start Civil War. Point is that Serbs didn`t kill enough, considering that Serbians were attacked by those who attacked them having genocidal program for Serbs. What is biggest absurd is that I don`t feel enough hate or hate at all, in my people considering all what was done to us. I don`t know is it our weakness or our triumph. I like to think its our triumph but I think that I just delude myself. My people is still in shock of all what happened and tries to digest that. Horrible was combined attack of joint germanized Nazi Catholic-Muslim forces on Serbian (Orthodox) civilian population. Later Catholics and Muslims started t kill each others. It was lunacy. And NATO and EU started it. In WWII, Germany initiated it but not EU and NATO initiated it.

sounds like a paradise. Many of the streets and town squares are named after the Clintons

Brat Zeman share his opinion with you

Czech president says Pristina officials are "narco-mafia"
b92/eng/news/world.php?yyyy=2018&mm=05&dd=16&nav_id=104171

Czech President Milos Zeman has described Kosovo officials as "narco-mafiosi who finance themselves from war crimes."

Dirk diggler 9 | 4,791
17 May 2018 #185
Kosovo has been like that ever since its inception. What do you expect of a state run like Albania. Kosovo was not like that during the Yugoslav years and when serbs were in charge.

Indeed zeman is wise and understands the destructive forces of the eurocrate agenda. So so other v4 members. That's why we're getting along so wrll.now. far better than when po was in charge
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455
17 May 2018 #186
Kosovo was not like that during the Yugoslav years and when serbs were in charge.

It was. It was one of the most corrupt provinces in Europe at the time, notorious for vast amounts of cash from Serbia proper and richer Yugoslav republics going missing. It was always a backwards place, which is why Serbs started leaving it post-WW2 because it simply offered nothing at all. All of those things mentioned really started getting even worse (though it was always a transit route for smuggling) after the so-called anti-bureaucratic revolution put Milosevic's men in power, and it's simply continued to the modern day.

Look at North Mitrovice - it's not governed any better than Mitrovice proper. Both of them are godforsaken places where you wouldn't want to live.

gazetaexpress.com/en/news/northern-kosovo-no-rule-of-law-corruption-level-remains-high-173351
- if Serbs were so great, their own areas wouldn't be a mess as well. Kosovars are no better, and even in the SFRJ, Kosovars and Serbs together were responsible for it being a corrupt and awful place.

Still, I don't agree with the independence of Kosovo from a legal point of view, as they had no clear right of secession under the relevant law of Yugoslavia, unlike the republics.
Crow 151 | 9,722
17 May 2018 #187
It was always a backwards place, which is why Serbs started leaving it post-WW2 because it simply offered nothing at all.

At a time of Kosovo battle in 1389, Serbs vs. Turks, Kosovo was solely Serbian ethnic land where other ethoses were present in small traces. In medieval times, prior to Turkish imposed chaos here, Kosovo was Serbian Orthodox religious center, Dubrovnik was Serbian Catholic center and Raska was center of Serbian statehood. See? By schemes of western Europeans, Dubrovnik, center of Catholic Serbs was given to Greater Croatia, while Kosovo, center of Orthodox Serbs have to become part of Greater Albania. There is no other European ethos that suffered and suffer such a great level of molesting from the side of western Europe. They literally doing everything imaginable to destroy Serbians.

Now, during WWII, Kosovo was part of Italian occupational zone and promised to Greater Albania. In that period already many Serbs there were exposed to genocide and pogrom. Then, for the peace in house, fearing Albanian (Shquiptar) fanatics, Yugoslavian communists forbid (by law) return to Kosovo to those Serbs who were expelled out from province during WWII. Then, even after WWII, pressure on Serbs continued due to Albanian constant attacks on Serbian families and state institutions and representatives.

So, its not right to say that Serbs were leaving province for economic reasons. Some did. Some Albanians also did, went in other parts of Yugoslavia or migrated in western Europe or in USA. Some Albanians escaped from Albania and came to Kosovo during truly crazy Albanian communist rule. Yugoslavia was really naive to accept them. Rather, some politicians were already corrupt by hostile foreigners even back in those times. Foreigners that worked in favor of Greater Albania. Things in that direction were set in motion even more then 140 years ago.
mafketis 29 | 10,297
17 May 2018 #188
time of Kosovo battle in 1389, Serbs vs. Turks, Kosovo was solely Serbian ethnic land

which means less than zero in 2018, no one cares, you've lost it, it's worthless rocks that only albanians are dumb enough to want to live in, get on with your lives before you become Europe's miss havisham eternally stuck in the past and incapable of surviving in the present (and with no future).
Crnogorac3 2 | 477
18 May 2018 #189
Then, even after WWII, pressure on Serbs continued due to Albanian constant attacks on Serbian families and state institutions and representatives.

nytimes.com/1986/04/28/world/in-one-yugoslav-province-serbs-fear-the-ethnic-albanians.html

This is an 1986 article from the New York Times (before international vultures managed to get their claws in and misrepresented the entire story of the Kosovo conflict by manipulating the masses in the West through their controlled mass-media to suit their own imperialistic interests).

So, its not right to say that Serbs were leaving province for economic reasons.

I am old enough to remember the hideous and monstrous crime that was done to Đorđe (George) Martinović by Albanian Shiptar terrorists which clearly disproves this point. The Communist authorities remained silent and even tried to cover up this impaling on a broken bottle.

telegraf.rs/vesti/2411546-najstravicniji-zlocin-stare-jugoslavije-secate-li-se-djordja-martinovica-i-flase-kojom-je-poceo-rat-na-kosovu-foto-video
Crow 151 | 9,722
18 May 2018 #190
it's worthless rocks that only albanians are dumb enough to want to live in,

Kosovo is much more to Serbians then Malivinas to Britain. Still, Britain want both to control. In different ways but, both. But will lose control over both and much more then that.

Let God give you to become Russian gubernia. It would be actually blessing in comparison to sharia society in which Britain falling in.
mafketis 29 | 10,297
18 May 2018 #191
Malivinas to Britain

Malvinas are Argentinian and Gibraltar is Spanish.
Crow 151 | 9,722
18 May 2018 #192
So you aren`t robot. Good.
Miloslaw 12 | 3,287
18 May 2018 #193
Last time I checked both The Falkland Islands and Gibraltar were British.
I don't see that changing any time soon.
jon357 69 | 18,345
18 May 2018 #194
Malvinas are Argentinian and Gibraltar is Spanish.

As Miloslaw said, this isn't true. The former has never been Argentinian and in the recent referendum all but three residents wished their islands to remain a dependency of the U.K. About the latter, the U.K. wanted to cede The Rock to Spain for the sake of the good relations that the two countries enjoy. The Gibraltarians (who are neither Spaniards nor Brits) organised a referendum and 99% of voters were clear they prefer the status quo.

As for Albania, Greater Albania, Kosovo, Macedonia and the other bits that Serbia lays claim to, the position is not so clear, since the people who really matter above all other considerations are not nearly as unanimous.

Another key difference is that there is no coercion, no repression, no irredentism and no territorial ambitions in the two U.K. dependencies. As we've tragically seen, the same is not true about any groups unfortunate enough to share a border with Serbia.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,791
19 May 2018 #195
New York Times (before international vultures managed to get their claws in

Zionists have always owned the NYT, WAPO, etc. The same Zionist family has owned the NYT since the 1800s. The Zionists have been monopolizing the press even before World Jewish Congress began. Almost every single newspaper and media outlet not just in the US but in almost the whole western world is owned by Zionists. Granted, the NYT and the other Zionists outlets have taken a far more leftist socialist tone in recent years. Back then though, you'd still think of their papers as leaning to the left and quite liberal. But now, 30 years later when society is discussing things that would've been never brought up in the 80's like creating special bathrooms for trannies, promotion of communism/socialism, destroying monuments because they offend people, persuading people that every white Christian male is automatically racist.... of course the old writings seem fairly balanced. In truth though, they're just as leftist as ever - it just that the west has been going further and further to the left and telling people to embrace things that were considered disgusting taboos just a few decades ago and would never even cross peoples' minds. Parents would've probably gone to jail for feeding their kids anti-puberty hormones and definitely ostracized for dressing up their son in girls clothes. Basically, they oppose anything that resembles nationalism, populism, traditional values, etc to keep the populations divided and brainwash people into accepting multiculturalism - with only Israel allowed to be homogenous.

Anyway.... I hope Serbia one day retakes Kosovo. Ever since the Serbs left it has become the armpit of Europe. What did they expect when you have Albania running it?
Crow 151 | 9,722
19 May 2018 #196
the position is not so clear, since the people who really matter above all other considerations are not nearly as unanimous.

Oh, listen to this British rodent, full of famous English maleficarum and manipulation.

What positions of Albania, Greater Albania, Kosovo, Macedonia? Albania is Albania (actually Shquiperia, but never mind) and Serbia don`t have any claims on it but the opposite. Albania have powerful sponsors (Britain among them) who push to grab Slaveno-Serbian land on Kosovo and Metohija, southern province of Serbia. Same evil force wants parts of Macedonia to become part of Greater Albania.

there is no coercion, no repression, no irredentism and no territorial ambitions in the two U.K. dependencies.

Hopefully, some powerful opposing power to Britain may start to pump propaganda and armaments allover the British domains so that at the end of all this chaos in the world, all peaces of what is now UK decide to secede from England.
mafketis 29 | 10,297
19 May 2018 #197
About the latter, the U.K. wanted to cede The Rock to Spain

as per treaty, which makes no mention of what people living there might want. They should be offered resettlement to the Commonwealth country of their choice if they don't want to become Spanish citizens (or foreign nationals in Spain).

Do Gibraltans pay for their own defense and infrastructure? It seems like an expensive place to keep going and busloads of tourist buying tat on the main street doesn't seem to be a good base for an economy.
Tacitus 2 | 1,446
19 May 2018 #198
Thankfully we are no longer living in times when rulers could redraw borders without taking into account the wishes of the population. The Falkland Islands and Gibraltar will stay British for as long as their populations desire it. And Kosovo will stay independent for as long as its' people desire it.
Crow 151 | 9,722
19 May 2018 #199
Is that why you Brits wants Poland filled with specific kind of non-Poles? You don`t like Poland filled with Poles? You can work more easily with non-Poles in Poland, same as in Serbia you more easily work with non-Serbs?

You are exposed, man. Your kind sponsoring separatist movements when it suits them. But there are stronger then you are who would stop you. Poles would escape you. One day, Scots, too. Irish also. Malvinas, too. Gibraltar, also. All would be freed from malevolent English grip.
Miloslaw 12 | 3,287
19 May 2018 #200
The vast majority of non Poles in Poland are Ukrainian.
Poles and Brits have no interest in filling Poland with non Europeans.
Tacitus 2 | 1,446
19 May 2018 #201
Like Yugoslavia, the UK might break up some day. But unlike Serbia, England won't react with genocide and war. But so far the Union looks stable.
mafketis 29 | 10,297
19 May 2018 #202
when rulers could redraw borders without taking into account the wishes of the population

yes, thank god that treaties can now be overridden by parties with no legal standing.
Crow 151 | 9,722
19 May 2018 #203
Like Yugoslavia, the UK might break up some day.

Its just that Britain decided to destruct Yugoslavia. Sponsored it, side by side with other western Europeans, USA Clinton`s, Arabs and Turks. In process, lie was invented of Serbian genocidal intention, while in fact truth about Serbs being victim of genocide was hidden.

In reality, Britain & Co are exposed.

So, hold Poland for as long as you can. Poles already realized what you want. Something very bad for Poland.

The vast majority of non Poles in Poland are Ukrainian.

I nicely said `specific kind of non-Poles`. That would be non-Slavic Poles.

Just wait. You would see more attempts of EU to insert Muslim migrants in Poland, more EU`s care for Gypsies, more EU`s care for Silesians, for Germans. I already recognizing pattern of action. It happened already with Yugoslavia.

Polish and British interests differ. And you Poles are lucky that Brits & Co. made mistake and firstly moved against Slavic South. It was their tragic mistake.
Miloslaw 12 | 3,287
19 May 2018 #204
As you know full well,Yugoslavia was not a proper country.
Just several countries held together by Tito.
Great Britain's union is very different,much older and much more stable.
You Serbs are just like The Russians,failing to accept your loss
of "empire".
Unlike The British,who have accepted their loss of a proper empire,the largest ever in world history.
The British have moved on.
Serbs and Russians are in denial.
mafketis 29 | 10,297
19 May 2018 #205
As you know full well,Yugoslavia was not a proper country.

the problem was in either not enforcing a jugoslav identity over the micro-ethnic identities (croat, bosnian... whatever) or in trying to be a single country at all.

The last straw was the madman Milosevic's plan to turn most of the country into greater Serbia, I remember a croat told me he and his parents were fine with being in Jugoslavia but when Milsevic tried saying their hometown (split) was part of Serbia they weren "ne, hvala" and they began supporting Croatian independence.

Serbian nationalism is a one way ticket into the toilet.
Crow 151 | 9,722
19 May 2018 #206
when Milsevic tried saying their hometown (split) was part of Serbia they weren "ne, hvala" and they began supporting Croatian independence.

Nonsense. Either you inventing this story or they lied to you. Milosevic never said Split is part of Serbia. Never. Milosevic was Serbian but he was Yugoslavian legalist, not Serbian nationalist.

Serbian nationalism is a one way ticket into the toilet.

For your information, man who suggested formation of Greater Serbia (bdw, in accordance with ideas of Polish prince Czartorisky who sought it as natural ethnic Serbia- of Serbs who are Orthodox, Catholics and Muslims), Vojislav Seselj, never ruled Serbia. He always lost elections. Yes. Never won elections, while Nazis in Croatia won elections and got support of EU and NATO. But you didn`t know this? I suppose you don`t. And how you intend to talk politics of region without knowing these facts? Please.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,791
19 May 2018 #207
You know during the partitions we had the same kind of Poles saying well maybe the foreign rule is a good thing we won't have these uprising, all this fighting, these ridiculous confederations... atleast the germans/austrians/russians will bring some stability. Thankfully most Poles didnt accept this line of thinking and that's why it's a free sovereign country today.

Kosovo je Srbija!

youtu.be/pKiB8-2LK6s

Fight on my Slavic brothers and sisters...
Miloslaw 12 | 3,287
19 May 2018 #208
You can't compare Yugoslavia to Poland!
Poles always were one people.
Yugoslavia never was.
Crow 151 | 9,722
19 May 2018 #209
I rather compare Poles and Serbs. I doing that to help you to understand. Look, genesis of problem here is that certain outside powers wants to see Serbians segmented and they manipulate with religion to achieve that, to separate Catholic and Muslim Serbs from Orthodox Serbs and in process to create new nations from Catholic and Muslim Serbs.

Now, imagine that somebody start to separate Catholic, Protestant and Orthodox Poles, invent new nations from Protestants and Orthodox, declaring Polish cultural, linguistic and territorial heritage to be actually heritage of those new nations.

Outside interests, my dear. That is what we have here in working.

And, before you say anything. This isn`t discussion, please. I merely informing you. BBC and CNN won`t do this for you. I doing it.
Crnogorac3 2 | 477
19 May 2018 #210
The Zionists

youtu.be/owk4lYyq5JI

Illuminati in Kosovo

What did they expect when you have Albania running it?

Albanians run nothing, they were only used as pawns.

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US military base Camp Bondsteel in Kosovo
fbreporter.org/2018/04/19/did-you-know-that-bondsteel-the-biggest-us-military-base-in-europe-was-built-on-the-land-of-ethnically-cleansed-serbs

youtu.be/Ik_3DfCSvAk

Joe Biden Admits the Albanians Were Used as Pawns


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