How have Albanians wronged Poles in the past?

That is essentially intermarium with Serbia and Balkans

So, how things develop, Albanians can`t understand what befall them. Spain now insist that Kosovo can join EU only as the region of Serbia > b92/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2018&mm=02&dd=01&nav_category=640&nav_id=1353655

In my opinion (because I just don`t believe that Spain lack any coordination with the western European powers, no matter any misunderstandings in relationships Madrid-Brussels), in fact, it is the way, how western Europe, via Spain, tries nicely to tell to Albanians how is over with sponsoring of their narco-mafia Muslim Wahhabi enterprise of self-declared state of Kosovo and that western Europe moving out of that project, yet to be seen just partially or in entirety.


No. Essentially, we Geo-strategically coming to situation before formation of Yugoslavia, when Serbia failed to form its own ethnic state and under pressure of circumstances formed Yugoslavia, in order to save Slovenia and Croatia (ie Zagreb and surrounding areas! only real ethnic Croatia) from being split between Italy and Austria. So, back then, after WWI, in 1918, for the sake of general Slavic interests Serbia accepted Zagreb (ie Croatia) to join Yugoslavia. It proved to be tragic Serbian mistake because Zagreb (Croatia), being deeply Germanized and at the same time regional Catholic center, used opportunity to spread Croatia by the Austro-Hungrian administrative definition, on Dalmatia, Slavonia (not Slovenia! don`t confuse this) and even all predominately Orthodox Serbian regions (within A-H) that were considered as Serbian Krajina (Lika, Banija, Kordun, western Srem, Baranja). Ironically, even predominantly Catholic Dalmatia, wanted to join Serbia (directly to join Serbia, not to join via Yugoslavia) directly but Zagreb asked that Serbia allow formal Zagreb`s jurisdiction over Dalmatia considering that both territories joins in Yugoslavia as former A-H regions and of course considering how is Dalmatia mostly Catholic so Zagreb naturally comes as religious center. Unfortunately, Serbia naively, so naively accepted this and got knife in its ethnic being, when Zagreb under the support of Germanics and back then Vatican got support to Croatinize Catholic Serbs, while Croat Zagreb ustashe developed genocidal ideology by which 1/3 Orthodox Serbs had to be converted, 1/3 exterminated and 1/3 ethnically cleansed. And later in WWII, Serbians literally got knife in form of most bestial genocide that Europe ever sow, where by German sources, and Germans were very systematic in evidences, at least 700.000 Orthodox Serbs was killed by ustashe in WWII.

So, this what happening now is about formation of Serbian ethnic state on Serbian ethnic ground, no matter are those Serbs Orthodox, Catholic or Muslims, or whatever. Formation in peaceful way by the natural process in considerable changed Geo-strategic global environment that works in favor of Serbs now, finally.

On the other hand, when you look on strengthening relation between Hungary and Serbia, Serbia and Visegrad group, you can clearly see embryo of Intermarium already forming. In that spirit, yes also, united Serbian lands with Serbs of any religious, cultural and social background who live in harmony in single united Serbian state, truly in itself, represent little Intermarium.

Spain does what it does because of its' own problems with Catalonia. It is certainly not the position of the more influential Western European countries (in fact it is the only Western European country that thinks so).

Whatever man, whatever, I won`t go into it. But, in any case, on one side we have Vatican and Spain that refuses to recognize illegal separation of Kosovo from Serbia and on the other side, there is western Europe that pushes for it. So, we clearly begins to understand that main line of Catholic world have different interests then western Europe that is dominated with British, German and other Protestant magnates. Interesting isn`t it.

Not really, since overwhelmingly catholic countries like Italy, Portugal, France and Poland have recognized Polands' independence.

The only European countries that have not done so are countriea that have problems with Separatists themselves.

Man, Poland will surprise you. Poland is big and serious Slavic and Christian country of decent people.

Poland followed EU but, with every new day, Poland distancing from EU. Not to mention that neither Geo-strategically, neither emotionally, on the long run, official Poland simple can`t work against Racowie (Serbians). If nothing else, pressure of Polish public would put all in place. Its just the matter of moment when would Poland annul Kosovo recognition.

It looks more like Serbia is getting closer to recognizing Kosovo's independence. eadaily.com/en/news/2018/01/29/serbian-authorities-preparing-people-for-kosovos-independence-recognition

This has happened many times already with other countries. Each day that Kosovo remains independence is a victory for them, because it confirms the status quo more and more. Serbian politicians know that Serbia will have to confirm its' cjrrent borders if it wants to join the EU, which is something that will take a few more years. Time enough for Serbian politicians to tell their people to accept the facts.

FTS!!!


yeah that's what I mean

Forget it man. It was nearly nonsensical even at a time when Serbians alone stood against complete NATO and EU. Even then, when we just had moral support from other Slavs, while Russians just didn`t bother to move more then little finger to help us, when EU was like kind of holly grail to official Poland and while China wasn`t China and when Japan and many others were far from the fought to support us, when wasn`t clear do we count Vatican to be our enemy or our partner, etc, etc.

Today? Look around you man. In what world do you live? Our FM Ivica Dacic in 24 hours have wild party with Russia`s Putin and then travel to Rome to sits at the right side of the Pope. Don`t you see how German, French, Turkish and British projects and schemes crumble here in wide region? How they learning to respect. So, we won`t give THEM anything. Example would be given to all who work against Slavs. Actually, example would be given how important is the world order, how important are the UN and UN charters, how is important normal coexistence of Christians and also coexistence of Christians and Muslims, coexistence of human civilizations. But not coexistence in false and forced multiculturalism. Coexistence in order.

Man, after all, this is the era of reclamation. Era of Sarmatian reclamation.


Yes. While elaborating, I recognized your point. God bless you.

I could ask you the same question. However it is reassuring that Serbian politicians are slowly getting more pragmatic and hopefully they'll find the courage to tell their people the truth (that Kosovo is permanently lost and that Serbia has to accept it if it wants to be part of European civilization again). This process might still take a few more years, but it is good to know that Merkel's continued effort to bring peace and stability to the Balkans will pay off in the long run.

Well, we shall see. Rather sooner then later.

Let Polish soldiers in peacekeeping mission on Kosovo prepare themselves. Albanian terrorists there threatening regional peace and stability. But Poles should beware. They may in an instant found themselves encircled with enemies from all sides, if they just dare to stop Albanian terrorists because some NATO members may act as allies to terrorists.

Here is how Serbian president Vucic reacted on recent threats from Albanian political representatives who says `that they may decide to take the land of Serbia not only on Kosovo but even deeper in Southern Serbia, all to the town of Nish` >>>

Vucic: Veseli should forget about reaching Nis with an army
inserbia.info/today/2018/01/vucic-veseli-should-forget-about-reaching-nis-with-an-army/



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Or EU becoming more pragmatic and realize that Serbia don`t bow to ultimatums >>>

PM: Clear message, we can join EU without recognizing Kosovo
b92/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2018&mm=02&dd=01&nav_id=103402

Interesting how someone can twist a statement for their agenda. Here is what he originally said:


Obviously such an agreement will include the recognition of Kosovo.

Not that it matters much what Tajani says. Germany and France agree that Serbia will habe to permanently settle the issue with Kosovo and since Serbia is in the weaker position (since Serbia wants European money and be part of the Common Market) there is no room for compromise here.

As you can see Serbia is devoted to peaceful approach, at a moment when Serbia`s position strengthen. Remember that. Remember that rhetoric and also remember Albanian violent rhetoric.

And what about what said Germany? France? Go ask Poles what they think about dictate of western Europeans. After all, here is what Spain said >

Spain says Kosovo can only join EU as region of Serbia
b92/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2018&mm=02&dd=01&nav_id=103395


See, Kosovo is part of Serbia by our constitution. Now, nobody in Serbia see any problem in even increasing autonomy of Kosovo as region within Serbia. We can make it part of constitution. We can make a deal with Albanians, we can write it down, sign it, if they are for peaceful and internationally legal solution. That is exactly ``a legally binding agreement with Pristina``.

Aside from the fact that Poland has currently very little influence on the EU's foreign policy, (thanks to its' current government) it is also Germany under Merkel that has formulated the EU-approach to the Western Balkan, why do you think it is called the Berlin process?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Process

Besides, this is hardly relevant when it comes to EU membership where one single country can veto the entire process. So Spain might be able to veto Kosovo, but so is every other country regarding Serbia. And several countries have made it clear that they do not want a new EU-country that has still border-conflicts. And no doubt Spain will accept Kosovo once the issue has been permanently settled and Belgrade has recognized Kosovo's independence.


Now you just need to make the next step and renounce Kosovo permanently. Once you have done it, you'll see it is less painful than you imagine, since you do not control it anymore anyway. Don't worry, we can wait, it is not like ther e is great enthusiasm for new poor EU-members anyway in Western Europe.

You want to know, don`t you. Can`t get it from BBC, CNN and others. Is that it? Alright, so listen. Listen good

Spain? Serbia? Merkel and Germany? Kosovo Albanians and Albania? Turkey? EU? Britain? France?

Forget it.

China and Russia. Only they now dominate the region. All others retreated. USA is just present because it suit to Vatican, China and Russia (obviously Russia made deal with Vatican on interests here). Don`t doubt it, my friend Tacitus. USA as USA, for this region, 10.000 km from US, no matter how strategic, no matter all USA interests and obligations to partners won`t make US use nuclear bomb. Russia will, if pushed hard and China also would follow then. Do you understand now?

Turkey? Turkey got chance to survive if cooperate. That`s it.

Serbians? They are independent due to fact that they stays in fragile balance between China and Russia from one side and USA/Vatican on the other side. Balance among world powers is necessary on the long run, for any state to be sustainable.

Now. It means that Chinese and Russian interests overlap with Serbian interests. Both powers, for their own reasons, want that Serbia survive and strengthen. Obviously, in world that globalize, Vatican also want to go global so comes the deal with Russia and story about reunion of Christianity.

What Serbians want? By all signals we see that Serbia want to encourage merging of Serbs no matter their religious background. It would be final liberation of Serbs from Turkish and Germanic/Croatian yoke. Seams that such a Serbia may be in interest of Vatican, USA, Russia and China. Serbia and Serbs, 50% Orthodox, 15% Muslim and 35% Catholic. Most importantly, such a Serbia would only strengthen its independence and desire to merge with Visegrad group and future Intermarium. Serbian-Hungarian friendship being clear sign of it, blessed by dominating powers, most obviously.

You may say- but Albanians and particularly Kosovo Albanians?

I will here deprive myself from any emotion and speak to you only having real situation in mind. So, forget what mass media told you, who is right and who is wrong. It simple isn`t important in this game. See, Albanians now aren`t just Serbian problem. Actually, its only questionable how much is allowed to Serbians to think and deal with it. But, by all means, Kosovo as it is now, can`t survive. See, Kosovo is actually Kosovo and Metohija. Two regions. Now, 60% of Metohija is property of Serbian Orthodox Church. Russian Patriarch already told what he had to say about it and that`s it. That remains in Serbia no matter ethnicity there. Then, on north of Kosovo dominates Serbs. It also stays in Serbia. Its about 40% of the entire province, or if you want- of illegally separated Albanian Kosovo.

Rest of it? Well, my friend Tacitus, its a million dollar question. But, I assure you, fate of it is eqyaly unknown to me, same as fate of northern Albania- Malesia (back in past Serbian region of what is now Albania and liberated from Turks by Serbian army in Balkan wars and then western Europa created Albania and took it took it from Serbia). See, it because Albania was involved in conflict on Kosovo, too. What if in that deal city of Pristina and 60% of Kosovo goes to Albanians and Malesia goes to Serbia. Same is chance that complete Kosovo stays in Serbia and plus that Malesia with access to Adriatic goes in Serbia.

See? Those are facts, my friend. Rest is daily politics. It would be what dominant powers want mixed with Serbian wishes. Albanian wishes are excluded. To support them, nobody want use nuclear bomb. And that`s alright. This isn`t their realm. They came as invaders with Turks.

So, from the ashes of Yugoslavia, new Serbia emerges, reunited, resurgent and strong. How big? Well, my friend, we don`t know that yet. But, by all means, in territorial sense, it would be at least 60% of what was former Yugoslavia and possible even can stretch out of borders of former Yugoslavia.

I gave you info man. Now, go figure that.

That is nonsense. Just have a look at the trading partner of basically every country there, and you'll see that European countries are dominant there, and thus have larger economic influence than anyone else. Russia might be trying to increase its' influence there, but the fact that Serbia is still trying to join the EU shows that is has not succeeded. China might try to gain some influence with their Silk road, but even then, this will be limited. If you want to see it as a competion in the Balkans, you might say that the EU and Russia are competing over influence there. So far, the EU is winning given the number of states it has integrated over the last years. Serbia is the one country where Russia might be able to prevail, but so far it looks like Serbian politicians are favouring a long-term alliance with the EU.


What should I understand? Kosovo is independent, and nothing Serbia can do diplomatically will change that. The only question is now how long Serbia will take to accept this, move on and act in the interest of its' citizen.


Yet this friendship has not prevented Hungary from recognizing Kosovo's independence. Which is not surprising, since Serbia's friends acknowledge that it would be in Serbia's interest in acknowledging this independence.

Albanians account for more than 90% of the people in Kosovo.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Kosovo


Nevermind that there are few Serbs living in those territories, you can't seriously believe that anyone has any interest in redrawing the borders in the Balkans to such a degree. What you are writing here are fantasies, pure and simply. What the Balkans need is a long period of peace to catch up in terms of civilization to Western Europe, and nobody has any interest in Serbia upsetting the status quo. Perhaps Russia does, but it is not like they can really help them.


Serbia is "independent" because it is not yet ready to join the EU, not because of its' own conviction.

I gave you valuable info and you still molesting me, without even telling me `thanks`. Man, you don`t have respect.

Well, thank you for giving me insight into the mind of a Serbian nationalist, but apart from that, I do not think that I owe you much thanks for the information itself, since they are almost exclusively the product of your mind. You should thank me for having the patience to correct you.

There is no world order man. Those who rule EU and Clinton`s USA destroyed it. Now strongest rule, until order is restored. And USA isn`t strongest. Germany, Britain, France aren`t. Altogether NATO isn`t strongest. Not in this part of the world. And even when world order is restored, it would be in new world, in multi-polar world. No chance that Serbians lose everything and that elements win everything they desired. No, not only because we Serbians want something. Because our interests, our liberation, overlap with interests of strongest. Right now strongest.

So, if you deny it, if you say that I`m not right, it is so because you are blinded by the nationalism. Your nationalism. I merely informing you.

Polish public with Serbia - Back to Back - Our unity securing us from danger from every direction

Całym Sercem za Serbami!
youtu.be/w4Ry_TsFss8

Polish Ultras for Serbian Kosovo
youtu.be/enTY4wrn4eg

Wsparcie na rzecz serbskiego Kosowa - Poles in support of Serbian Kosovo
youtu.be/8WW1HoiJh6w

Thanks Poles. God bless you. Velika je Poljska and will be ever bigger!

Kosovo is the 2nd biggest abomination in Europe after Merkel's importation of migrants and terrorists. Serbia needs to reclaim their territory - at the very least Mitrovica


No wonder it's such a poor shi--

@Crow
There's a lot of Poles that support Serbia in their fight for regaining occupied Kosovo

That`s right Poljski brate. Minimum that. But, I won`t try to hide that we have bigger appetites. Its legally our land after all. And more we accomplish here, in the region that belong to warm seas Mediterranean area, more we tomorrow contribute to Intermarium.


Not to mention that their fast and additional upload from Albania, that increased their %, happened after NATO and EU occupied province, in 1999. At the same time, back in 2008 Albanians organized pogrom over Serbs and almost entirely ethnically cleansed Serbs from the region.

@Dirk diggler

We Serbians knows that great great majority of Poles sided with Serbians and have confidence in us. It is so because we Serbians never (!) in history neither betrayed Poles, neither complicated to Poles. Only when came to Poles, Serbians were and are ready to conflict even with Russians. That`s just what provided balance within Slavic world and our respect on ancients demanded our choices. Plus of course, our specific interests that coming from fact that Poles and Serbians belong to Danubian Sarmatian branch.

But, as I told already, its very glad to me to note how on example of Serbian question, Polish and Russian interests perfectly overlap. Both, Poles and Russians have interests that Serbians survive because without Serbians there is no Slavic South. That is enough in Russian-Serbian deal. In Polish-Serbian deal, this portion of warm seas belonged to Commonwealth in past and belong to future Intermarium. Russians got their access to warm seas of Mediterranean via Crimea and they now even more easily understand Polish-Serbian specific interests and necessities.

joy :)

Due to blockade by Spain and because of Serbia`s complaints, Kosovo isn`t able to proceed with joying he EU

How nice formulated refusal of Kosovo EU candidacy >>>

EU adopts "credible enlargement perspective" for W. Balkans



Objective circumstances won`t allow for it ever.

The one thing that boggles my mind is why so many Serbians would want to have anything at all to do with NATO after the bombing of Belgrade in 99... every bridge, the Chinese embassy, tons of homes - many of which to this day stand obliterated...

NATO didn't do much during the siege of Sarajevo yet for some reason their intervention was disproportionately higher in the Kosovo campaign. Makes you wonder why

The answer to that is easy: the US had had enough of Milosević by that point, and Milosević was getting desperate. The air strikes on Yugoslavia at the time were pretty much a continuation of the 1995 air strikes against the Bosnian Serbs, except this time, the strikes were before things got really bad rather than 3 years afterwards.

But the US policy in ex-Yugoslavia was a total mess in general. They were sometimes on the side of Izbetgović, sometimes not. Sometimes they were trying to convince others to allow air strikes, sometimes not. Srebrenica was the final straw, but it's clear that the Americans were quietly hoping for a Serb victory so they could move forwards without intervening.

The thing that Serbia should remember in all of this is that there was a proposal on the table to use NATO peacekeepers to calm things down in Kosovo. There was no reason for the war - Serbia wouldn't have lost anything by allowing them into Kosovo, and in fact, they could have used NATO to completely eliminate the KLA. But once Milosevic rejected this plan, NATO had no real choice but to either intervene or watch Kosovo explode.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of the intervention too, but there was a reason why the Americans didn't wait for Bosnia v2 to happen.

I suggest you to see these two videos. Comments of Sheikh Imran Hosein (on Bosnia and Kosovo). Most balanced Muslim comment ever on Srebrenica. He fails to mention that in Srebrenica happened genocide on Serbs committed by Muslims, as pre-text to intervention of Serb forces of general Mladic. But still, Sheikh Imran Hosein says there was no genocide in Srebrenica on Muslims. He sees it as unfortunate massacre over Muslims ultimately orchestrated by western Europeans and US, where both Muslims and Orthodox Christians were manipulated. In his way he even praises Mladic for saving Muslim woman and children, at least.

Sheikh Imran Hosein - internationally respected Muslim thinker
youtube.com/watch?v=YQZkvooXfgk
youtube.com/watch?v=8OyLnL3gwQU

America bombed Serbia without UN approval - they disregarded the UN and security council's objections. Now so many Serbs want to join NATO who just bombed them just 19 years ago? I'm sorry but I can't really understand that. In any case, it is sad how quickly Yugoslavia broke up after Tito's death. He was holding it down and kept everyone together. Plus he had the balls to stand up to Stalin. He was like the benevolent dictator.

Well, bear in mind that Poland joined NATO just 8-9 years after they stopped being treated as an enemy nation by NATO. NATO also offers them peace of mind, especially as right now, they're effectively surrounded by NATO countries. Russia has nothing to really offer them, and neutrality is something that Serbs haven't been good at historically.


Not so benevolent - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goli_otok was a brutal place. I agree that he kept things together, but it was all a complete show backed up with violence when needed.

But yeah, it's sad how it all ended. In an ideal world, without the nationalist politics and the egos, Yugoslavia could have just peacefully broken apart and close links maintained between them all, just like what happened in Czechoslovakia.

Poland didn't get bombed by NATO


Yeah it could've... but there was far too much animosity between all the different groups - especially amongst Bosnian/Albanian Muslims and the Serbs and to a lesser extent Croats Christians

but we don`t wish to join NATO. Serbia is officially neutral country.

But, you probably point on Serbia`s desire to join in EU. Look. People here don`t likes EU and most of people who are for Serbia`s joining the EU actually fear from EU, being aware what kind of machinery EU (ie Germany) moved in order to bring us to knees and force us on accepting German dominated EU. I mean, don`t get me wrong. Serbians are brave but, too long we were standing alone, devastated by anti-Serbian propaganda, economic sanctions and open military attacks, EU forces, Arab mujaheedines and NATO being tool to it.

See, EU is monstrous. Tyrant. Evil. When comes to Serbia, its not about membership, its about cruel annexation. They call it membership but we all here knows what would happen if we refuse (Ukraine would look like joke to it). So, public is little but tired, exhausted. We are people that dissolving on its Orthodox, Catholic and Muslim parts just because it suit to certain world powers that inventing whole new nations from Serbian ethnic being in front of our very eyes and we can`t do anything about it, while genocide on Serbians becoming highest European ideal. Man, we had strength to refuse NATO and managed to maneuver it but, EU is inevitable. Refuse them and they destroy you economically, if not the other way.

It would be gigantic scandal when European public become aware of this EU`s approach. Final nail in EU`s coffin. Truly, Czech Klaus is right. EU became worse then Soviet Union and evil empires of the past.


Croat Christian are in fact Catholic Serbs under the yoke of less numerable Catholic Croats and their deeply germanized elite that is most directly protected German invention.

Well, Austria washing its hands, now when in Geo-strategic sense things becoming real ugly, when more powerful players entering on Serbian side

Austrian vice-chancellor: Kosovo undoubtedly part of Serbia
b92/eng/news/world.php?yyyy=2018&mm=02&dd=12&nav_id=103466




If just we can manage to get rid of EU and all that charade.

Idk Crow.... when there's an openly gay person leading a Slavic Orthodox country and there's lots of Serbs who do want to join EU and also the country participates in certain NATO missions and is in the individual partnership program, it really makes me wonder... but hey that's the Serbs business

Ana Brnabic? Our Ana?

Private life of our PM Ana is her private thing. But, as expert, she knows what she doing and she (or `he` or whatever) would surprise many.


Hey, you forgot to mention that `person` also have Catholic background ;)

Game is more interesting then you think.