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Tusk wants to privatize PKP Cargo.


delphiandomine 88 | 18,163
9 Oct 2011 #31
They stole money that was supposed to be earmarked for the rails and used it to fill in the budget gap for roads while the trains run with half the cars they need.

Actually, the cars not running are solely to do with inept PKP Intercity management, nothing to do with the Government. It might be in State hands, but it's run as a "hands off" company, unlike Przewozy Regionalne.

yes for the money they are spending to build 3 new high speed rail lines that go 250kph they could spend the money to get a multitude more tracks up to 150 or even 100kph. In a country where many regional trains travel at 40kph the hsr is 2 steps too far.

But at the same time, there's a desperate need to get Wroclaw-Warsaw down to less than the 5.5 hours that it takes at the minute. Building the Y line will really open up things - look at how the TGV really helped France get away from the plane. Or look at how the Thalys has really changed things - or even the opening of HSL Zuid has destroyed the air market between Amsterdam and Paris.

wants to or already many step have been taken in order to prepare the company to be privatized? I did a lil research on the net and I came to conclusion that it is just a matter of time and they have been accepting bids since May 2011, so it is not news anymore.

PiS were preparing for it just as much as PO have been. Don't let people fool you into thinking otherwise.

PKP Cargo is going to make 200 milliom net profit this year and is potentially much more profitable company. I see no point in giving it to German or Russian government.

PKP Cargo was also losing an exceptional amount of money not so long ago, and could easily go back there.

Definately. There must be very strong "lobbing" behind the whole high speed nonsense.

Of course there is - people like me would like to be in Warsaw in less than 2 hours without having to fly. I'd quite like to be able to jump on a train and be in Lodz in an hour and Warsaw in 2 - maximum. With a 250km/h line speed - we should see Warsaw-Poznan/Wroclaw being less than 90 minutes, which will be a massive improvement.

What Poland needs is to get the present network up to date.

It's getting there, but it's really not helped by the ridiculously low fares. How can it be economic to charge 7zl for a 30km run, when the buses are charging 9-10zl?

What matters is getting ordinary Polish people from A to B in a reasonable time. 8 hours from Warsaw to Gdynia is not the good thing to do :)

Oh, this, I agree - and they're getting there.
Gustav 1 | 50
9 Oct 2011 #32
Actually, the cars not running are solely to do with inept PKP Intercity management

This is the key problem to state rail companies.

Passengers- most of whom struggle to run a bath, think they have all the answers.

Have you ever met any of the PKP Intercity top brass or are you just repeating what you've been spoon-fed by the media?
sobieski 106 | 2,118
9 Oct 2011 #33
Of course there is - people like me would like to be in Warsaw in less than 2 hours without having to fly.

I still do not agree with you. Sure, great, Warsaw-PoznaƄ in 90 minutes - for the fat cats who will be able to pay for these tickets. Mr Kowalski will be relegated to the second-class trains because they are not profitable.

A massive improvement for who exactly? For the same fat cats. The money spent on these Polish TGV could be spent on a massive overhaul of the existing network.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,163
9 Oct 2011 #34
Passengers- most of whom struggle to run a bath, think they have all the answers.

Can you explain why independent bloggers discovered newly-renovated carriages being left in the open air to be vandalised?

Have you ever met any of the PKP Intercity top brass or are you just repeating what you've been spoon-fed by the media?

Who needs the media to see newly renovated carriages being vandalised and lying unused?
Gustav 1 | 50
9 Oct 2011 #35
So your answer to the question 'Have you ever met any of the PKP Intercity top brass'

Should be a simple 'no'.

You may well be correct though sir, maybe what PKP Intercity needs is an English teacher who knows everything and is easily offended.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,163
9 Oct 2011 #36
You may well be correct though sir, maybe what PKP Intercity needs is an English teacher who knows everything and is easily offended.

Perhaps you should concentrate on my question as to why one needs to meet PKP Intercity top brass in order to see newly renovated carriages being vandalised in the open air.

I suggest what PKP Intercity needs is being held responsible for their actions, something that won't happen when politicians can control the company.

Seafrance is a rather excellent parallel.
Gustav 1 | 50
9 Oct 2011 #37
In the interest of the facts, you answered my original question with a question.

Master of diversion sir?
OP Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,149
9 Oct 2011 #38
PKP Cargo was also losing an exceptional amount of money not so long ago, and could easily go back there.

Why would they go back there ? The market will be definately growing. I don't see how giving PKP cargo under control of German or Russian government is in interest of Polish society.

I'd quite like to be able to jump on a train and be in Lodz in an hour and Warsaw in 2 - maximum.

Fascinating but I don't think giving 15% of population opportunity to occasionally save 60 minutes is worth spending 30 billion.


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