Skins vs anarchists in Warsaw

I have two of them here at home (well, at least sometimes) of the female kind. They did not feel the urge to set a rainbow on fire on Monday, let alone destroy the city. But I suppose they are misguided or even worse, got the wrong education? Our daughters thought it was Nazi scum, completely lacking any form of what could call human intelligence.

Yes, they did, but law doesn't seem to be doing much about it. The march can't be banned, because that would be unconstitutional or sth?


How? I'm part of that moderate and normal majority and I don't see this being dealt with effectively.
If the march can't be banned then I'd like to see the organisers to be charged with paying for the damages! And serious convictions for the perpetrators.


Of course it's a proof that sth is wrong in the country, but the dangerous thing about it is that Kaczyński gave "enemies" (the government and Russians, adding them to some long list, I imagine) to those people and gave them some political backing and wing in their sales. Kaczyński and PiS opened a Pandora's box. They didn't attend the march this year but I'm pretty sure they won't condemn what happened either. Who knows, maybe it's too late anyway. The Beast has been set loose.

I don't know, maybe I'm exaggerating, but I'm starting to get worried...


Well, it had to be unguarded at the back if the morons managed to set fire to the sentry box.
I think this mob shouldn't be even allowed anywhere near the embassy in the first place.

I'm f.... angry. This should not be tolerated.

I hope that all those who usually defended kibole see them now for who they are.
We look like some fundamentalist Arab country now - an attack on a foreign embassy... ffs...
This got out of control.

And what Ziemkiewicz wrote on Twitter about the rainbom installation?
He wrote: "Ale nawiasem to szkoda że jak już nie sfajczyli przy okazji i tej obrzydliwej palmy na rondzie degola"
Isn't it against the law to publicly applaud a criminal act?

Lastly, something that cheered me up - Edyta Górniak putting flowers into the burned installation :)

More and more of Warsaw comes spontaneously to plug in a burned rainbow of vibrant flowers . Among them met even Edyta Gorniak .

Lech Kaczynski when he was President of Warsaw banned a march, unconstitutional or not, and all such marches must first be given permission from the city.


Hold your horses - it only happened 2 days ago. So no surprise that you 'don't see this being dealt with'.


Agreed.

I wasn't there, having better things to do. Did the non-uniformed police attack the uniformed police again, like last year? Just interested. And don't forget that Platforma views itself as a right-wing party, so how do you translate Prawica into English?

A daft thing to say. Total mischief on your part, though sadly not unusual here.


I doubt that.


Nutters. Know any?

Oh dear. I just watched that film: it doesn't show any molotov being thrown by anybody, you are very simply lying yet again. The film clearly shows the marchers lighting flares (which were forbidden on the march) and throwing them at the building; one is thrown back down off the roof.


The squat is not on the route of the march. Groups of scum went running down side streets to get at the squat.


Yet more bollocks from you: the police reaction was rapid and decisive (which is more than can be said for their reaction to the Rainbow being burned), I should know, I saw the reaction myself (one of the advantages of actually being somewhere, rather than being on the other side of the planet).


It can be and, after trouble at all of them for the last three years, the next one will be.


Good to see you still parroting PiS bollocks!


Was the march actually officially cancelled in the end? I heard that it was first permitted and then permission was withdrawn after the march had started and then it was allowed to go ahead again.

I do hope that it wasn't officially cancelled; apart from anything else it's legally very problematic to hold organisers liable for damages caused after they themselves cancel a march.

There was a communique published by the Urzad Miasta at 16:4? saying that it was cancelled - I think the worst stuff had already happened by then, and the police made it clear that they were going to go in heavy handed if there was further trouble.

I suspect the real purpose of cancelling it was that it gave the police a green light to disperse the crowd - but the President has already made it clear that they have evidence that the organisers allowed the troublemakers to rejoin the march after leaving it.

I'm all for letting them march again next year, provided a sizable bond is placed with the Urzad Miasta first and clear rules about when such a bond is forfeited. I suspect the organisers will think twice if they know that they're going to lose everything. The damage this year came to 120,000zl - so a 2 million bond should cover things nicely.

a) The only time anything can be seen coming off the roof is at 1.07.
b) That object is a flare which has already been seen to be being thrown up onto the roof by your neo-nazi mates.
c) The item which can be seen burning at 1.12 is a flare which is in the hand of one of your neo-nazi mates, he can be seen lighting it at 1.09.


No, I saw the bit where you claimed that the squat is a fun place to hang out; I just am well versed in spotting your lies.

1:15 to 1:25 shows several molotovs hitting the ground, as if u missed them, all the news channels reported it too, but i guess its hard to know whats going on when u don't speak polish and can only rely on the warsaw business journal

ROFL! Your lies get more and more amusing! The video you posted is only 1.14 minutes long but you tell us to watch from 1.15 to 1.25!!!


If I didn't speak Polish, I could go there and see for myself. Oh, wait a minute, I did go there and did see for myself and did speak to people there. You, on the other hand, are sitting in your parents' house and telling us all about what I saw for myself.

Well, I watched TV Trwam for some of the coverage of the march (ducks to avoid missiles and groans of despair from other forum members).

There seemed to be a long snake of pretty much normal looking people, mostly blokes (men) in their 20s or 30s but some older ones and some females too. Everyone just seemed to be marching, and I assumed it was to mark independence day and also the usual austerity protests and protests about multiplex rights and so forth. From what I saw in my admittedly ivory tower with Lavazza coffee (thank you Tesco for the discount) the march seemed peaceful, and there were just some fringe skirmishes, just as can happen in the UK when 99% of people march normally and a few like to 'hijack' things for their own violent or destructive reasons.

So, I am very disturbed and disappointed if the peaceful looking marchers that I saw were neo-Ns or anything like that. I believe they're just the usual dissatisfied with the economy or political themes groups that pretty much every country gets marching from time to time.

If any protesters were indeed there because they are racist or homophobic, etc, I condemn them in the strongest terms. However, the right to peacefully protest and march against a government they disagree with is their democratic right, and they should not be blamed if idiots hijacked it and committed arson etc. Such can happen anywhere.

Which march were you watching?

Part of the problem is that some people think that they are more patriotic than the President of Poland and so they will not join his Independence Day march but instead have to hold their own march.

Harry
as i said before watach the tvn24 link which is BELOW the embeded youtube in my OP. thanks

Which also doesn't show petrol bombs coming off the roof of the squat. But which does show lots of incendiary devices being thrown by your mates.

Given that all you can do here is post lies, it's pretty lucky that you limit yourself to staying in Australia, isn't it.

Which of the two marches? The traditional one or th eright-wing one?


An odd choice. Most people under 80 couldn't find it on their cable TV. Generally there's enough diversity of opinion among the other news outlets to make a fringe broadcaster, criticised by both state and church an eccentric choice. But each to his own.


Everyone is disturbed and disappointed - which is why there is such a groundswell of opinion about preventing this as well as genuine outrage at the fascists behaviour.


Nothing peaceful about molotow cocktails, attacking embassies, ripping up paving stones and burning public art. And this was not 'hijacked' - there were two marches, one a parade and no political connection and the other a riot which was carefully planned.

What seemed like a very long march down main roads, past shopping areas and the like. Everyone looked pretty much the same as any normal march in the UK, although Trwam did show the burning rainbow and for a moment I thought that it was a legitimate part of some ceremony!! Doh! However, when I switched over to TVN, I saw a small number of people running around surrounded by orange-vest wardens (I assume they were march wardens) and there were people throwing things and wearing hoodies or whatever, but it wasn't clear as it was on a zoom lens from above. But back to the TV Trwam coverage: it looked like a big sea of people, all quite normal, pretty much like any bunch I'd see queuing in McDonald's in Southampton, nothing extraordinary about them, no violence visible. A few were chanting Poland white and red, I think, which since last year's ad campaign always reminds me to buy some makowa Dan Cake at Biedronka...


I wasn't aware of there being 2 marches. I had assumed the main one got hijacked by some idiots. Did I assume wrong, guv?

Which do you think is more likely to be biased?

Isin't one run by some mad priest and the other founded by communist era spies? equally biased i would say.

If I knew what the score really was, I'd say. So, I'm merely reporting what I saw on the TV. TBH, I am genuinely surprised to hear there were 2 marches, perhaps that's an embarrassing error on my part, but like I said I am not a Pole and watching from the outside. My own philosophy is freedom and democracy, fairness and equality. I have no agenda, and no political bias as such.

It's more embarrassing that the second march was given official permission when everybody knew what was going to happen.


He isn't a priest and they were not spies; good to see that you ability to tell the truth is as good as ever.

Yes, I do like history and it is always possible to discern some sinister omens in these tongues of flame. Now Poles are setting fire on Russian embassy, tomorrow Russians will surely set on fire Praga again))))

Bingo! You got it right and your achievement is very telling. All those ex-pets of foreign extraction seems to understanding nothing or rather chose to read everything in the light of their bias and prejudice.

Phew!


Few days ago Russian set fire to the Polish embassy. On your knees and apologize!


What two marches?


Preplanned you mean.


On what ground? Say ten to twenty people will go off the march and play some games, or simultaneously some people will make troubles away from the march, on what ground would you charge organizers? That is a job for the police to deal with people breaking things. What it has to do with the march? 100 idiots versus 100 000 normal people is not a big deal, a big deal is incompetence of the policy shown again and again. Maybe they were ordered to stand down to discredit the march in the eyes of the public opinion so far it seems to be working.


Don't get all hysterical.


Another failure of the police


Getting hysterical again I see. It do happens in any given country at least now and then. It looks to me as an another attempt to discredit organizers of the march but so far there no prove that those who have been making trouble about Russian embassy have any connection whatsoever with the march. Did the police arrested anybody who are they?


:D


Have been burned already five times, seems that people do not like it. Hover ruling dummies are using taxpayers money to rebuild those nonsensical installations.

Yes they did. It is one of your ONR buddies.



The ONR nazis do not like it. The sight of the burning rainbow with these flag-carrying fascists in front of them, is identical as the Hitlerjugend burning books in Germany befoere the war.

There were two marches: one led by the president of Poland, and another one for neo-Nazi scum.
If you don't know the very basic details, perhaps you should refrain from commenting about this topic?

Oh you mean the President his bodyguards and all those people who are brown-nosing him - it is just a poor performance not march./


One from about 70 people arrested. ONR has nothing to do with those events.


Tsk tsk You should seek medical help. You are evidently hallucinating.#

No, I mean the larger march, also the one which saw not a single arrest and the one which featured the real Polish patriots, not the neo-Nazi scum who would have been first in the queue to collaborate with the Germans in 1939.


You're lying again: the ONR organised the march and picked the route out.

Some rainbow crap built in front of a Church? F-that. Poles have balls unlike Western society.


Zero arrests during these difficult times? Says all you need to know about the "crowd" there. Bunch of Western sell-outs. They are most likely children of Communist sympathizers following the 2nd World War.

They have nothing to do with attacks on the Russian Embassy and torching some structure. After all only one from 70 arrested by the police can be connected to ONR.


If he knows what going on and speak the language than he is very heavily biased.

I am very happy that I was there in a crowd.
Foreigners will not understand the Polish heart and its nothing new.
Different mentality etc :)

Praise to everybody that went and see you next year.
Dont let the leftist propaganda get in the way of Our Fight!

CWP

We (ppl that go on this kind of gatherings) want a better stronger Poland.
As many have lost trust of any of the parliamentary parties they are looking for something new.

Im a PiS voter, so i did stand out if the crowd to some extent.
However i also believe that a coalition of RN and PiS woupd be a good outcome and someday in future we would have our National Republic.

These marches demonstrate our power in numbers, apart from thqat it is also a sign of respect a moment of silent thought-prayer for those that gave their livves for The Great Poland.

I go on these marches to promote Polish Pride.