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Polish Silesian Autonomy movement


Foreigner4 12 | 1,768
19 Apr 2012 #31
I also don't know what the results will be If you open the window and jump out but I can predict that with high probability.

No, gravity is a given regardless if it is the ground or top floor. The two situations have no parallels. While catchy and humorous, your comparison is nothing more.

And that's how it works in Poland, a lot of public money is spend locally.

You tell me, or are you suggesting the system is perfect as it is?

The problem is that government is taking too much money away from people, not the geographic distribution of the spendings.

I agree with you completely on much of this and this is why having more regional autonomy works out better.

For example early retirement for miners...

While I do wonder what the aggregate cost of miners' early retirement is on the whole population vs the benefits of having miners in a country to extract elements from the ground, I would guess it to be less than what is lost on tax breaks to corporate entities but that would require obtaining a lot of data I haven't the time to analyse. I'm not sure what point you're making with that though could you explain it more?

It's not some ancient Greek democracy. Silesian voivodship have millions of people living there

Numerically that is false both proportionally and logarithmically. Observe people in nations with states comprising 2-5 million people and those people hold politicians feet much closer to the fire than they are able to do with national leaders.

So basically you are proposing 16 ministries of education, 16 ministries of health care

And would those systems be so completely different from each other? You're really begging the question as to how stubborn and hell-bent on doing things "their" way I think Poles are. I think Poles are sensible enough to see the merits of doing things in a way that works and if they saw their opinions matter more then they'd become more well versed in how to do things- either this way or that. So while 16 ministries of education might sound implausible, it's very possible they would all be very very similar in curriculum and delivery just more responsive to the population they serve. Yes it could fail miserably but that would depend on how intelligently the system were implemented.

It was my own proposal, not the interpretation of yours...

Then I apologize and wonder why you interpret smaller local government as being "more" government to one big central unit. Smaller units are easier to keep track of and stop from expanding, whereas a central government, as experience has shown, seems to compound in employees at breakneck speed.

Please enlight me why Polish politicians are supposed to stop mismanaging and wasting a great deal of tax revenues

Why or how?
It would depend on the voting public and how much of a voter turnout there was in the region. If it were to be 30% turnout then it would be a different version of the same thing, if it were >50% then there would be a real chance at keeping politicians accountable. You know and must acknowledge the degree to which distance and how removed people see themselves from a process will affect their willingness to participate in it.

Now please google up statistics regarding the number of Polish local politicians/administration employees arrested for corruption

I'm pressed for time here BUT You seem to have those numbers and must be feeling VERY confident they support your "position," so go ahead and post them:)
pawian 221 | 23,996
5 Aug 2023 #32
The movement is still active, they hold annual parades but it seems they don`t have too many supporters.
Alien 20 | 4,739
6 Aug 2023 #33
@pawian

The movement

Although I am from Silesia, I have never identified myself with this movement. Silesians are Poles, like Highlanders. And if they are not Poles, they are Germans and that's it.
mafketis 36 | 10,694
6 Aug 2023 #34
The movement is still active,

The EU used to have special funds for supporting minorities... maybe that's why they do it? I think that's also partly the motivation behind Kaszubian... for generations they'd been trying to assimilate into being Poles but there's a handful of activists who try to prevent that....

if they are not Poles, they are Germans

Many years ago I became temporary friends with a German guy (we spoke Polish with each other which was good practice for us both). He was a social worker in Germany who became interested in Poland when after 1989 a bunch of Silesian "Germans" showed up on his list of clients... who didn't really speak any German.
Ironside 53 | 12,363
6 Aug 2023 #35
The EU used to have special funds for supporting minorities... maybe that's why they do it? I think that's also partly the motivation behind Kaszubian.

Ditto! As for their local identity, it is OK to be Kaszubian or some other and Polish. Problems arise only if that duality is used by a malicious foreign meddling...
amiga500 4 | 1,520
6 Aug 2023 #36
they'd been trying to assimilate into being Poles but there's a handful of activists who try to prevent that....

I think the leader of this anti polish kashubian movement is called Donald Tusk
Luke1410 - | 167
6 Aug 2023 #37
Could go some way to explaining his hatred of Poland...
pawian 221 | 23,996
6 Aug 2023 #38
I have never identified myself with this movement.

That is why the support for them oscillates from 3% to 8%, depending on what elections are taking place. .


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