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Roman Polanski accused of unlawful sex with a minor



mafketis 16 | 4,837    
21 Aug 2017  #211

The prosecutor will make a deal with the defendant and his attorney(s) and the judge will decide whether to accept it or not which they almost always do

One version that I read is that the judge initially signalled they'd accept the Polanski plea deal and then changed their mind (thinking of an upcoming political campaign) that's when Polanski bailed.


delphiandomine 87 | 15,756    
21 Aug 2017  #212

Hang on...why would the judge care about politics?

(missing something about the US here, I think...)
mafketis 16 | 4,837    
21 Aug 2017  #213

Can't say for sure in this case, but in some cases judges are elected.
johnny reb 14 | 2,265    
21 Aug 2017  #214

They lied to him so he would take the plea deal of no prison time to get a conviction and once Roman agreed to the plea deal and was convicted they then reneged on the plea deal of no prison so he took flight out of the U.S. is my understanding.

Quite a common practice in the U.S.A. to get convictions.
Ben Dover    
22 Aug 2017  #215

You Polish clowns are so blinkered when it comes to your own. Polanski is a grub. The Yanks knew it. He ran because he knew he couldn't get away with it like he can in Europe.
mafketis 16 | 4,837    
22 Aug 2017  #216

once Roman agreed to the plea deal and was convicted they then reneged on the plea deal of no prison so he took flight out of the U.S. is my understanding

Yeah, all the stories have in common that the judge first accepted a plea deal and then backed out and so he bailed. But there's no single story about why the judge backed out of the deal.
Tacitus - | 158    
22 Aug 2017  #217

The whole case is just a mess. I feel sorry for the victim, who was raped as a child and is constantly reminded of that by people who want an interview with her.

If it is true what I have read, that the plea bargain was initially made to spare the victim the media circus of a public trial (which is sensible and often done in other countries as well, although the USA might be more generous regarding the terms they offer the culprit), then the current situation is not without some sort of bitter irony.
mafketis 16 | 4,837    
22 Aug 2017  #218

I feel sorry for the victim, who was raped as a child and is constantly reminded of that by people who want an interview with her

She's said repeatedly she just wants the thing to be over (I'm sure she's been compensated to say that but still....).

the current situation is not without some sort of bitter irony

Yes, it exposes (among other things) some of the worst aspects of the US legal system
Tacitus - | 158    
22 Aug 2017  #219

Yes, it exposes (among other things) some of the worst aspects of the US legal system

I wonder, did they make any legal changes in response to this case afterwards?

I mean it is not despicable per se to offer plea bargains in such cases where there is no physical evidence (at least that is what I have read) for the rape and just the testimony of the victim. While this is often enough for the conviction, it can be incredibly traumatizing for the victim (especially when it is a child) to testify and get questioned by a team of highly paid lawyers, additionally to the media attention.
johnny reb 14 | 2,265    
9 Oct 2017  #220

Another woman has come forward accusing Oscar winning director Roman Polanski of sexually assaulting her as a teenager.
This makes number #4.
Swiss authorities said Wednesday that a German woman has filed a complaint alleging Polanski sexually assaulted her 45 years ago in a Swiss resort town while she was in her mid - teens.

He gave her champagne and qualuudes and they end up in the hot tub naked where he captured her maiden.
Renate Langer, 61, filed the complaint last week in a police station in the northern city of St. Gallen.
She said Polanski had raped her at his house in Gstaad, a well known Alpine resort town, in February 1972, according to police and the regional state prosecutor's office.

rollingstone.com/culture/news/roman-polanskis-alleged-sexual-assaults-what-you-need-to-know-w507139
Joker - | 363    
10 Oct 2017  #221

He gave her champagne and qualuudes and they end up in the hot tub naked where he captured her maiden.

He's just as bad as Bill Cosby! It just goes to show you if you're a famous celebrity the rules get bend in your favor.

They both belong behind bars. Its too bad by the time justice is served they will be really old and get special treatment.
Joker - | 363    
11 Oct 2017  #222

Roman Polanski of sexually assaulting her as a teenager.

It appears Harvey Weinstein is going to try to use Europes lax extradition laws to avoid going to jail. It worked 40 years for Pedo Polanski
Dirk diggler 5 | 1,419    
11 Oct 2017  #223

@Joker

Or Israel, where numerous other pedophiles, war criminals, frausters, etc hide out under the protection of the government who refuses to give them up.
Crnogorac3 1 | 255    
16 Oct 2017  #224

Harvey Weinstein

From A-list stars to budding actresses: The women who accuse Harvey Weinstein of rape and sexual harassment during his two decade reign of terror in Hollywood

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4974110/amp/Harvey-Weinstein-investigated-rape-charges.html

dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/the-casting-couch-hollywoods-dirty-secret/news-story/48a0e5b536871e56bd5d7c8573c7cf72
Dirk diggler 5 | 1,419    
16 Oct 2017  #225

In that case it was def an underage girl.

Yes the us legal system is pretty corrupt. Its money at the lower level meaning if you get a misdemeanor or even a minor felony you can get it easily lowered to different charge, as long as you can pay the huge fees and convince the judge ur going to just an upstanding tax paying citizen during whatever probation supervision or other bs they give. Criminal punishments are far lower than many other oced countries.

In case involving people like Weinstein and other wealthy powerful people esp sex crimes, financial crimes, even murders its sort of a who you know and the evidence. Sadly it runs on a system of as long as you have connections and didn't leave behind much evidence a lot of the times its very hard to convict.

Not only that enforcement is lax. In my city only about 12% of murders result in a conviction (majority) or are in self defense or by policy (minority of that 12%)
Crnogorac3 1 | 255    
2 Nov 2017  #226

globalnews.ca/news/3836710/brett-ratner-sexual-harassment-olivia-munn/amp

Brett Ratner accused of sexual harassment by 6 women, including Olivia Munn
By Chris Jancelewicz - Senior National Online Reporter, Entertainment Global News

latimes.com/business/hollywood/la-fi-ct-brett-ratner-allegations-20171101-htmlstory.html

jew

Six women accuse filmmaker Brett Ratner of sexual harassment or misconduct

In a January interview with Variety, Ratner said Evans, Toback and Roman Polanski, who was convicted of having unlawful sex with a minor in 1977, were among his "closest friends."

The Weinstein case was just the tip of the iceberg.
Roger5 2 | 1,505    
2 Nov 2017  #227

Did it take long to find a picture of him wearing a yarmulke?
WielkiPolak 51 | 784    
2 Nov 2017  #228

Haha actually the yarmulke looks photoshopped on to his head in this photo.
OP Ironside 46 | 8,406    
2 Nov 2017  #229

The Weinstein case

Hmm.. correct me if I'm wrong as I don't follow his case closely. Hasn't a charge of rape been leveled on him by some actresses many years after the fact? Like all that instances adult women slept with him to get a role in a movie or some such? It hardly constitutes a rape.

I have zero sympathy for one Weinstein as he is clearly a slime bag and abuses his position. By the same token I have zero sympathy and respect for some chick who spread her legs to a swine like W. get her role in a movie for her trouble and then after decades accuses him of rape. Hell, you got paid, none put a gun to your head, you wouldn't starve without that role, hell you could even get a decent job as at Walmart.

It was your free choice to prostitute yourself and you got amply compensated for it. Where is a rape?
Ah, has a groped some ass, make indecent proposal - well that a movie business for you. You actors and especially actresses shake your asses, undress in front of the millions of viewers/cameras and so forth, u put up with some sleazy producers. you are doing it all voluntarily for fame and money - no one forces you to do it.

You should have told him to keep his filthy mouth shut and hands to himself o great divas and princesses - did you or did you not? If not why are you whining now and talking about rape which is an insult in itself to all the victims of a real rape around the globe. Rant over.

Your input dear forum members would be appreciated.
Roger5 2 | 1,505    
2 Nov 2017  #230

I think the Spacey and Hoffman stories are nuts.

How about this: a relatively unknown twenty-seven-year-old female actor gets drunk at a party and comes on to a fifteen-year-old boy. She even lies on top of him. He tells her he doesn't want this and she immediately stops. He leaves without any problem or further attempt from her to seduce him. Thirty years later he pops up and attempts to destroy her career and life. How can that be right?
Dirk diggler 5 | 1,419    
2 Nov 2017  #231

It's b.s. a good amount of the time, however the times it isn't it's awful so ppl will use it play on people's emotions. A lot of it is settled out of court and doesn't result in long sentences if it's been a long time. The criminal aspect of an old rape lawsuit generally isn't the problem for a famous wealtht defendant in such a case but more so the civil lawsuit
Crnogorac3 1 | 255    
2 Nov 2017  #232

us legal system is pretty corrupt. if you get a misdemeanor or even a minor felony you can get it easily lowered to different charge, as long as you can pay the huge fees and convince the judge

1

Patricia Douglas vs. Hollywood

vanityfair.com/news/2003/04/mgm200304/amp

When Patricia Douglas was raped by an MGM salesman at a 1937 studio party, the 20-year-old dancer filed charges, taking on Hollywood's most powerful institution. Today, as Douglas breaks a 65-year silence, the author exposes the perjury, bribes, and smear tactics used to destroy her.

youtu.be/gymhFPRXoGE

In case involving people like Weinstein and other wealthy powerful people esp sex crimes, financial crimes, even murders its sort of a who you know and the evidence.

Sadly it runs on a system of as long as you have connections and didn't leave behind much evidence a lot of the times its very hard to convict.

The Horrifying History of the Hollywood 'Casting Couch'

amp.thedailybeast.com/hollywoods-heinous-casting-couch-culture-that-enabled-harvey-weinstein

Hollywood has always been ruled by abusers, predators and rapists, and these stories prove it.
ErniJeden    
2 Nov 2017  #233

All I have to say looking at that pic shes hot as fuk and sluty as fuk, and Im 10 yrs younger than he was and look way better and tounger so why does he get to have that and not me even once in this life? You people on thst other thread kept syaing my time is done tyring to get sluts under 18 and all that but here proof is in the oudding some females that age exist that fuk older dudes, so please tell me what I have ro do to just get one willing no rape or nothing one time in my life even in corrupt poland or ukraine?

please tell me one dude that doesnt find thst slutty smile and look hot over 20 and 30 who would say no to that if you were rich enough or hot neough to get it and had no kids, wife, were lonely like me, etc.? its funny all the bullshit and hate you people were telling me in the other thread and i dont see any od thst hate toward polanski. why do you people hate me so much personally for liking willing or ones who would like me underaged girls from usa law but not europe law?

I will admit I would and will no matter what you people say sleep with a 15 yo in poland, 14 in germany nezt time im there, and 16 most of rest of europe in a heart beat if I get that chance.
Tacitus - | 158    
2 Nov 2017  #234

14 in germany nezt time im there,

Sure, if you want to get arrested.
WielkiPolak 51 | 784    
2 Nov 2017  #235

I have zero sympathy for one Weinstein as he is clearly a slime bag and abuses his position.

By the same token I have zero sympathy and respect for some chick who spread her legs to a swine like W. get her role in a movie

I completely agree that Weinstein is as nasty as they get and it's good he has been outed and should be punished, but there are probably many like him in show business, either those we don't know about, or some that we do but for some reason they've gone unpunished. This is why they say, there's no business like show business, because you can get away with anything.

Some of these women are almost as deplorable as him though. Many of those accusing him have now made names for themselves. They kept quiet for so long, to protect their career, and in doing so, allowed this type of behaviour to continue. Imagine how many women they could have protected if they spoke out back then? Now they are rich and famous so they speak out. Oh how 'brave' of them.

Then you have to think how many other women there are who haven't said anything, because they got main parts in Weinstein movies for a filthy price. If they say anything now, it will tarnish their roles in the movie business, because we will know why they got them. It probably wouldn't be hard to figure out though. Since this is how things generally work with Weinstein, all you have to do is look up the movies he has produced and find attractive women who had leading roles in them. It's highly likely many of them got their roles by giving Weinstein what he wanted.

Hollywood is a sick place and to be honest, we shouldn't be supporting it. People have to stop going to the movies if they don't agree with this, because by going to movies and buying any other merchandise related to these films, we fund these sickos.
Lyzko 17 | 3,676    
2 Nov 2017  #236

There was always Fatty Arbuckle for a precedent:-)) Ruined the rest of his short career too.
ygb    
3 Nov 2017  #237

Its legal though thats the age of consent there. I'd have to pull a polanski and start undressing her by force or get naked without questiobs ask. Sorry but I dont do that. Trust me I'm super handsome look like an aryan god I don't need to do that.

One thing unique about me is I always had this innocent look about me and that of a shy older guy who is not threatening (I have gentle eyes for instance). I know for a fact young girls always liked me and still I get check outs from time to time from even lolas. So if Polanski could get 15 yolds at 40 or 50 I definitely could as well if zi really wanted to or tried or didnt let society bother me. I live alone now not with my mom anymore so thats one less hurdle. I can invite one over for a movie and sniggling, I like them enough where I wouldnt even need to have sex with them we would just make ourselves feel warm, and her like a young lady or a woman, not just an ignored girl whose parents tell what to do but one on a pedestal while she would give me the satisfaction of being wanted and desired.

how would me hanging out or even meeting a young girl who checks me out and I check her out even against the law? me talkimg to them in public or hitting on them isńt illegal and even sex with a 15 yo isnt illegal plus Ive talked to girls on gadu gadu who have older boyfriends like ewely 20s and know how to keep quiet.

polanski did the same thing he was photographing at least that one 13yo nude, and that was in the u.s. not evene ast euro and he never did time for that so why shouldnt i think enterpreneurial and maybe start a site? or hit up chicks who check me out for photo sessions?
Tacitus - | 158    
3 Nov 2017  #238

Its legal though thats the age of consent there

I am not sure how the situation is in Poland (though I suspect it is comparable) but in Germany, the age of consent for sexual relations between minors is 14.

If you are over 18, he/she needs to be 16. And it is illegal to biy the service of a prostitute who is not at öeast 18 years old.
ygb    
3 Nov 2017  #239

ok so 16 then. If I am 33 she has to be 16 or more? what about modeling like polanski did and sell images to other sites? polanski did that with 13 yo so i guess that was the u.s. law since he never was even criticised for thst only the sex. so Im guessing germany or poland 13 would be ok too?
Tacitus - | 158    
3 Nov 2017  #240

hat about modeling like polanski did and sell images to other sites?

I don't know if you are really serious about this, but I'll humor you.

If she is under 18, you'll need the written consent of her parents to whom you'll have to show every picture before you sell it. None of those pictures are allowed to be in any way sexual suggestive, and there are also rules how much skin someone below 18 is allowed to show (as in only a bikini or a bathing suit is strictly forbidden).




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