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Roman Polanski accused of unlawful sex with a minor


Bieganski 17 | 901
3 Jun 2016  #151
We stick to facts here

You never have so don't bother with the collective "we" to give your remark some semblance of credibility.

The term "statutory rape" is not used in California, hence calling him a rapist is factually incorrect.

You're wrong. Every jurisdiction is different but that's only because some societies prefer not to call a spade a spade. Such watered down language can only help the prosecution's efforts to secure a plea deal by giving the defendant an incentive in thinking that what he or she did wasn't as bad as it actually is. And in this disturbing case your idol pleaded guilty. But he refused to complete his prison term. So he broke the law again. He deserves to be extradited and complete his original sentence and any additional time tacked on. And if he dies in prison then so be it.

What's more bizarre is how no-one would say a word about Polanski if he was a Polish Catholic

Not true and this is because you and your cohorts on here most certainly would.

but because he has Jewish connections, they want his blood.

Not true. And who are they anyway? Just look how long he has evaded justice. Clearly he has done so due to his wealth, his connections, his seriously overrated career, and undeniably the Holocaust hangover which routinely gives the likes of Polanski a free pass in life.

No one wants his blood but instead his sorry criminal butt back in the slammer to finish his sentence.
Dougpol1 30 | 3,033
3 Jun 2016  #152
Terrible. Another case of the (very) dangerous Ziobro. Trying hard to emulate Bolesław Rutkowski albeit in a modern setting. The controversial case of Polanski has nothing to do with Ziobro and his (so-easily predicted) witch-hunts, and it's another case of nationalist (post communist) Poland trying to put down its' greats.

Why else does such talent want to leave when they seize the opportunity?

But he refused to complete his prison term

Read the facts of the case before you spout untruths. Polanski entered into plea- bargaining, and was tipped off that the judge was going to renege on the agreed deal, after he (Polanski) had incriminated himself and pled guilty. It's really that simple. Most, if they had the connections to tip them off, would have taken the same steps for self-preservation. You would have gone to jail gladly after being double-crossed, would you?

In the meantime, normal peoples don't rubbish those who have helped to make their countries known in modern times.

Walesa and Polanski spring to mind.

And pray do tell us what you have achieved?
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
3 Jun 2016  #153
Trying to put a nasty pedophile in prison might be controversial only for other nasty individuals.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,648
3 Jun 2016  #154
You never have so don't bother with the collective "we" to give your remark some semblance of credibility.

The facts are clear, and your attempt to claim otherwise is a simple smear based on his ethnicity.

He deserves to be extradited and complete his original sentence and any additional time tacked on.

For some reason, I imagine you wouldn't say this if he was a Polish priest. You seem to have been rather silent on the issue of rampant sexual misconduct by priests. Why?

and undeniably the Holocaust hangover which routinely gives the likes of Polanski a free pass in life.

Bingo. It's all about the fact that he's Jewish, isn't it?
Dougpol1 30 | 3,033
3 Jun 2016  #155
a nasty pedophile in prison

Yes, the bloke had sex with a minor, and preferred 'em young :((((

First of all, the context was clear at the time, and was dealt with. A deal was struck, and reneged on. Are you American? Polanski is not even Polish by law is he? But Ziobro has to "score points" with a certain section of society.

Thank God I don't mix with that group. Have they ever read the bible? Blatant and quite wicked hypocrisy.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,648
3 Jun 2016  #156
But Ziobro has to "score points" with a certain section of society.

Bingo. They hate Polanski because he's got some Jewish roots combined with being successful - something that the majority of right wing losers simply cannot abide.

All these people screaming for Polanski's head are suspiciously silent or in complete denial over the horrific abuse carried out by some priests. Says it all, really.
Bieganski 17 | 901
3 Jun 2016  #157
Polanski entered into plea- bargaining, and was tipped off that the judge was going to renege on the agreed deal, after he (Polanski) had incriminated himself and pled guilty.

Wow! Just wow!

Since when do convicted criminals in any society get to determine how long they will serve a prison sentence and base it upon hearsay?

The law is an established process. If the convict Polanski believed his sentence was too harsh then he could have appealed it. If he believe the judge had acted in bad faith then he could have filed a complaint of judicial misconduct.

He had avenues for redress but calculating chose to flee to places where he knew he couldn't be extradited. This is not the behavior of any innocent person or someone who has been wronged by the legal system.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,648
3 Jun 2016  #158
Since when do convicted criminals in any society get to determine how long they will serve a prison sentence and base it upon hearsay?

Not very familiar with American legal practices, are you?

It's normal there for people to negotiate their sentence with judges - which is why it's routine for lawyers to negotiate things such as speeding tickets down to fines for not wearing a seatbelt or similar in exchange for a guilty plea. It's arguably an efficient way of doing things, as it prevents the expense of trials and allows some form of punishment to be given quickly.
Dougpol1 30 | 3,033
3 Jun 2016  #159
Since when do convicted criminals in any society

Well, you live in America.........

To answer your question, Polanski lived in America, The court intimated that he would be handed down a lenient sentence if he co-operated.
And he clearly did. To the letter.

It's called plea-bargaining (as you know).

The judge was going to overturn that agreement and nail him to the cross. I don't have an axe to grind myself, except that a certain number of Poles always seem to be weirdly jealous of achievement and fame, and their only joy appears to be to try to bring greatness down.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,648
3 Jun 2016  #160
I don't have an axe to grind myself, except that a certain number of Poles always seem to be weirdly jealous of achievement and fame, and their only joy appears to be to try to bring greatness down.

Yep, couldn't have said it better myself. They're positively salivating over the idea of someone Jewish and successful getting punished - which is why Ziobro is pandering to them. It's nothing to do with what he did - if it was, they would be demanding the heads of all those infamous paedophiles harboured within the Church.

If he was so intent on punishing criminals, he'd start by punishing all the criminals in the PiS camp.
Bieganski 17 | 901
3 Jun 2016  #161
The facts are clear, and your attempt to claim otherwise is a simple smear based on his ethnicity.

The only fact is that your idol is a convicted criminal who has been on the run for decades and it chaps your hide that someone of his heritage and status should face the music like anyone else would for committing similar offenses. You really do need to understand and accept the reality that US and Polish laws are not based on the talmud.

You seem to have been rather silent on the issue of rampant sexual misconduct by priests. Why?

Because the title of this thread is about the convicted criminal Roman Polanski and he is not a Polish priest. It's not surprising though to see you trying to drive this thread off topic in order to deflect attention away from you kith and kin.

Bingo. It's all about the fact that he's Jewish, isn't it?

Produce his criminal docket or extradition request that shows he is wanted for being Jewish. Oh, that's right, he was convicted for sex crimes and is now wanted for absconding. Yeah, well, you've repeatedly made it very clear now that you don't believe he should respect and be subject to the law and this based solely because of how he and you label his personal identity.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,648
3 Jun 2016  #162
The only fact is that your idol is a convicted criminal

My idol? I couldn't really care less about him. If anything, in Polish cinema, my idol is Kieślowski. I merely object to the way that people have jumped on this because of his ethnicity.

and it chaps your hide that someone of his heritage and status should face the music like anyone else would for committing similar offenses

Except as we all know in Poland, paedophile priests have been protected despite committing far worse crimes.

Produce his criminal docket or extradition request that shows he is wanted for being Jewish.

Who is talking about the Americans here? We're talking about Ziobro salivating over the possibility of extraditing him, which is solely because of his ethnicity. If he was a Polish Catholic and PiS supporter, Ziobro would have said nothing.
johnny reb 17 | 3,530
3 Jun 2016  #163
You seem to be just a tad "Racist" here delph by playing the race card repeatedly.
Is this because you have Jewish roots too ?
This case has NOTHING to do with Roman being a Jew.
What is has to do with is that the citizens of The United States of America frown on grown men having sex with 13 year old children that are not even fully developed yet.

There is no justification to run from the law and that is why America has Appeal Courts, if you disagree with your sentencing then you appeal to a higher court. (and that is how that works and praise to Poland for respecting that)

Lucky the child's father didn't put a bullet between Romans eyes and plead temporary insanity and got a "not guilty" verdict.
Bieganski 17 | 901
3 Jun 2016  #164
My idol? I couldn't really care less about him.

Oh really? But as of this post you made 14 separate posts about him on this thread alone going back to last year even. I'd say you are overly concerned about someone who very likely would blank you should you ever cross paths.

I merely object to the way that people have jumped on this because of his ethnicity.

Nope, only you have been making his identity an issue and desperately arguing hard that he should be left alone simply because of it.

As johnny_reb rightfully pointed out to you:

What is has to do with is that the citizens of The United States of America frown on grown men having sex with 13 year old children that are not even fully developed yet.

I fully endorse johnny_reb's admonishment of you. Indeed, this will come as a surprise to you but I confidently speak for myself and most others that when the vast majority of adults in the world see and interact with children (even if they are not their own) they do not sexually objectify them and do not seek to abuse them. Rather, normal people want children to be safe, cared for and happy so that they can grow and develop healthily mentally, emotionally and physically. It's a win-win for children and society. Shocking to you for sure but it is the absolute truth. It is reality and the reason why that in nearly all countries there are laws which criminalize the abuse of children.

Except as we all know in Poland, paedophile priests have been protected despite committing far worse crimes.

As pointed out to you before this thread is not about Polish clergy. And your wording which suggests that pedophilia is rampant among clerics in Poland is simply a canard. Not all men and women who take religious vows are sexual predators. In any event if such abuse does occurs then it is a matter for law enforcement to handle like in the case of the convicted criminal Roman Polanski whom you are repeatedly defending here.

Who is talking about the Americans here?

It's been the Americans who want him extradited back to the US to face justice. And because of the extradition treaty which is in place Poland is legally obligated to comply.

We're talking about Ziobro salivating over the possibility of extraditing him, which is solely because of his ethnicity.

The onus is on you to produce proof of the Prosecutor General making this the reason to comply with the extradition even when the request itself makes no mention that personal identity is a reason for putting the convicted criminal Polanski (your idol) on the first flight headed to the US.
Harry
3 Jun 2016  #165
.Harry, any idea if Poland can use a EAW in this case?

Most certainly not. He's committed no crime in Poland. Of course, the fact that there is no legal basis for issuing an EAW doesn't stop PIS from ordering one to be issued, and we've all seen that PIS have zero respect for the rule of law. I'd love to see them order one to be issued in the Polanski case: such a blatant abuse in such a high profile case would be an excellent way of attention to the fact that the system is broken.
smurf 39 | 1,981
3 Jun 2016  #166
Polanski is a rapist
PiS are morons

That's about it
Ziemowit 12 | 3,505
3 Jun 2016  #167
Bingo. It's all about the fact that he's Jewish, isn't it?

No, it is not. Harry explained it very well in his post #16 (page one of this thread)

Having sex with children is always wrong. Full stop. End of story.

It's all about the fact Roman was having sex with a child, Delph.
mafketis 20 | 7,245
3 Jun 2016  #168
Polanski is a rapist

I don't necessarily think he should be extradited (since the victim has said she does not want that to happen)

But I'm completely okay with him having to look over his shoulder for the rest of his life (and/or not being able to leave France - they want the filthy child rapist? they can have him! France).
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
3 Jun 2016  #169
witch-hunts

Why is it that those with things on their conscience always complain of alleged witch-hunts or rummaging about in people's biographies and want to keep their dirty secrets classified? That is not transparency, that is sweeping things under the carpet!
Ziemowit 12 | 3,505
3 Jun 2016  #170
He's not wanted for any rape, no matter how hard right wingers might try and pretend otherwise.

Yep, which at makes him at best legally a rapist. At worst he's a paedophile rapist.

Yep, and since when Harry is a right winger, Delph?
mafketis 20 | 7,245
3 Jun 2016  #171
He's not wanted for any rape, no matter how hard right wingers might try and pretend otherwise.

Sexual intercourse with a person below the age of consent (even if the person 'consents') is statutory rape. The most credible evidence is that the victim did not consent (though again, she was not capable of giving legal consent).

That said, I think technically he's wanted for fleeing the country before he could be sentenced.

I can understand being against his extradition, but please don't trivialize what he did, it was truly horrific and I don't mind making him stay in France until he dies. I'm quite okay with him being persona non grata in Poland.
Ziemowit 12 | 3,505
3 Jun 2016  #172
'm quite okay with him being persona non grata in Poland.

He is not for a time being. He left the court in Kraków not a long time ago with the court turning down the American plea for his extradition. The verdict was final and what sheriff Ziobro is planning now is an extraordinary measure which is filing an appeal with the Supreme Court to cancel this verdict.

Roman Polański at present prepares a huge project on the Dreyfuss affair to be filmed mostly in Poland.
Dougpol1 30 | 3,033
3 Jun 2016  #173
technically he's wanted for fleeing the country before he could be sentenced.

Exactly that. And somebody mentioned the child's father and how Polanski was lucky not to have been the victim of a vendetta. Apart from the fact that the girl was from an artists' family herself, and was able to rise above and live as a psychologically healthy adult, what about the father? He should have been bang to rights for child neglect.
johnny reb 17 | 3,530
3 Jun 2016  #174
the girl was from an artists' family herself, and was able to rise above and live as a psychologically healthy adult,

Why does an "artists" title give some kind of superiority claim ?
Rise above ? Rise above what ? Statutory rape ?
Thirteen year old children don't live as psychologically healthy adults as her decision in this case clearly showed.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,648
3 Jun 2016  #175
The verdict was final and what sheriff Ziobro is planning now is an extraordinary measure which is filing an appeal with the Supreme Court to cancel this verdict.

In other words, Polanski is being singled out for being Jewish, because I don't see Ziobro appealing other dodgy verdicts where paedophile Catholic priests are concerned. There's certainly plenty of them that should be re-examined by the legal system, so why is Ziobro quiet?
gumishu 11 | 5,012
3 Jun 2016  #176
dodgy verdicts

you don't believe in the Polish legal system? how dare you?
oh wait maybe the Polish legal system is corrupt up to the Constitutional Tribunal, what do you think?
look up the decision of the Tribunal to take the savings of millions of Poles in retirement funds away from them - because as the Tribunal said it was a tax not private savings
delphiandomine 83 | 17,648
3 Jun 2016  #177
you don't believe in the Polish legal system? how dare you?

Not when priests are involved, what with the massive amount of pressure that the Church exerts on individuals in Poland to do things 'correctly', such as selling them land for 2% of the value.

oh wait maybe the Polish legal system is corrupt up to the Constitutional Tribunal, what do you think?

Nothing to do with corruption and everything to do with the RCC wielding far too much influence over public life. Judges are human, and the State has done nothing to protect them from outside interference.

look up the decision of the Tribunal to take the savings of millions of Poles in retirement funds away from them - because as the Tribunal said it was a tax not private savings

No-one took the money away. I looked in my ZUS account yesterday and it's all there - so I fail to see what the issue is.

Polanski pled guilty to having sexual intercourse with a child and no-one is disputing this, but it doesn't change the fact that Ziobro is merely going after him because of his ethnicity and not because of the crime.
gumishu 11 | 5,012
3 Jun 2016  #178
Not when priests are involved, what with the massive amount of pressure that the Church exerts on individuals in Poland to do things 'correctly', such as selling them land for 2% of the value.

sorry - I never experienced any pressure from the church -you can safely live without church interfering in your life in Poland - if someone is that easily influenced to sell their property for 2 per cent of its value (never heard of such instances) they have only themselves to blame

Nothing to do with corruption and everything to do with the RCC wielding far too much influence over public life. Judges are human, and the State has done nothing to protect them from outside interference.

1. how do you envision this protection 2. judges in Poland have immunity and they are not elected - it's enough for them to have a moral backbone not to give in to outside influences 3. if they do give in then they are ****** not justice makers - which was shown on a couple of spectacular occasions (look up judge Milewski case from Gdańsk - he was and still is a chief judge there as far as i know or the judge from Suwałki who committed suicide after it surfaced that she took money from gangsters to pass favourable verdicts to them - she was not the only one doing this in Suwałki it appears)
smurf 39 | 1,981
3 Jun 2016  #179
I don't necessarily think he should be extradited (since the victim has said she does not want that to happen)

That doesn't matter, it's for the state to decide becasue of the type of crime.

If he'd just punched her and she didn't want to bring charges then fair enough, however, Polanski anally raped a kid who had been given a f!ckload of drugs

I don't think he will be extradited, and I don't think he gives two f!cks about Poland either.
The biggest mistake in this trail was made many, many years ago with the original judge.
Ziemowit 12 | 3,505
3 Jun 2016  #180
it doesn't change the fact that Ziobro is merely going after him because of his ethnicity and not because of the crime.

What proof for that (Ziobro's motives: ethnicity vs. crime)?

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