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Roman Polanski accused of unlawful sex with a minor



InPolska 11 | 1,825    
29 Oct 2015  #61

Kaszynski, as a lawyer, does know that the matter is very complicated since several countries concerned but as a cheap populist, he pretends that everything is so easy to please his followers who of course are completely ignorant and buy any bs. I am shocked because I did not know how low he is....

@Maf; As I said, since France does NOT allow for the extradiction of their own citizens (not the only country), said French citizens who are accused of wrongdoings abroad are judged and (if necessary) condemned in France, where they serve their sentenses. The idea is that France as a democratic country entitles all their citizens to fair trials but unfortunately in most countries, fair trials do not exist and some countries even have death penalty. Since of course, you don't know anything re law, re diplomacy and also re French situation, you just talk bs and shows how ignorant you are! I don't need to rely on Wiki's bs, contrary to you! ;)

I am concerned about laws and the technical aspect of the whole situation, not any particular case.

The PF's underclass mob of course know better ;).


Ziemowit 8 | 2,575    
29 Oct 2015  #62

Kaszuynski

Kaszynski

There is no such man in Polish politics.
Roger5 2 | 1,450    
29 Oct 2015  #63

Kaszynski, as a lawyer, does know that the matter is very complicated since several countries concerned but as a cheap populist, he pretends that everything is so easy to please his followers who of course are completely ignorant and buy any bs

I agree with the first part, but not all of his followers wear mohair berets and listen to Radio Maryja. Some are highly intelligent, although none of those people contribute to this forum.

I am shocked because I did not know how low he is....

Really? He's a politician.
johnny reb 13 | 2,456    
29 Oct 2015  #64

so, if he is, he'll then be dealt with by French justice (since NO extradiction from France for French nationals).

Bin Laden said those same exact words, talk about throw ants on someone's picnic.
If the American government wants him bad enough, they WILL go get him.

On the matter of whether he did it or not, or what he did, he doesn't say, nor does he deny it.

He did take the plea so that is admitting it, he did say that the judge, the prosecutor, the jury all would like to have sex with under

age girls AND the child that he sodomized testified that it did happen.
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck and poops like a duck then it's a duck.
I bet ya that he won't be coming to Poland to film his new movie anytime soon.
mafketis 16 | 4,721    
29 Oct 2015  #65

rance as a democratic country entitles all their citizens to fair trials but unfortunately in most countries, fair trials do not exist and some countries even have death penalty

Fair trials and the death penalty are not mutually exclusive....

The PF's underclass mob

The mask slips.....

Again, I think this is signalling. PiS wants to signal to voters something about traditional values (misguided but almost anything that condemns the sexual abuse of children is fine with me) and let Polański know that he is persona non grata in Poland (which is very fine with me).

He can stay in France, a nice country, I'm told. There's no reason for him to ever leave French soil.
Ziemowit 8 | 2,575    
29 Oct 2015  #66

He can stay in France, a nice country, I'm told.

In reality, extraditing Roman Polański would be rather embarrasig both for the US and Poland and I don't think it would ever happen. First, the crime - according to Polish law - has expired. Second, he was forgiven by the victim and later on that woman even published a book on the affair. Any court in Poland would be taking these two factors into account as we are not as yet (fortunately or unortunately?) a state of the Union.

No, Maf, France does not protect rapists, they judge them ;).

The famous case of DSK, chairman of the IMF (infamously dubbed in France after 'Fonds monétaire international (FMI)' as "FMI - femme de ménage inclue"), suggests otherwise. DSK was caught and arrested in the US, while his "deeds" to women had long been swept under the carpet in France.
jon357 70 | 12,786    
30 Oct 2015  #67

It would be extremely embarrassing, Ziemowit.

There's no reason for him to come to Poland, the Polish government has no role role whatsoever in extraditing him for a crime committed elsewhere - that is a matter for the Americans and he is now a very old man, so the proble, will not be around for ever.
Chemikiem 4 | 894    
30 Oct 2015  #68

The Polish court in Kraków has rejected the US request for Polanski's extradition : bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34675672
Polsyr 6 | 777    
30 Oct 2015  #69

I wonder if politicians start commenting on judicial matters a couple of days after they are elected, what is there to stop them from directly interfering in judicial process in a couple of months? I also wonder whether the man's faith caused a higher than usual rhetoric from the politicians in question.
delphiandomine 87 | 15,827    
31 Oct 2015  #70

PiS have always been rather clear that they regarded the legal system as something that should serve the needs of the government. I found a fascinating document a while back from 2007 in which the prosecutors openly protested against the government's interference in their affairs.

As for Ziobro, had Polanski been a strong Polish Catholic, we wouldn't have heard a word about him.
InPolska 11 | 1,825    
31 Oct 2015  #71

Fortunately, Polish justice (at least Cracow court) means to remain independent and I hope that all Polish courts shall do the same inspite of likely intimidation from Kaczynski and his clique. Well, Polish judges and lawyers shall respond in appropriate manner.

PS: for the LAST time as I don't want to feed bashers: @Maf: you do NOT know anything re DSK's situation. In France, he had several trials but was never condemned (courts need material proofs and it's good news ;)). As to his problem while in IMF, as everybody knows in France, it was organized by his (French opponents, there are material proofs) since it was almost clear that DSK was to win election. Case closed because this bashing (Anglo proletariat's trademark) is completely senseless and shows obvious lack of intelligence and is also irrelevant to topic and to POLISH forum.
mafketis 16 | 4,721    
31 Oct 2015  #72

@Maf: you do NOT know anything re DSK's situation

You're getting confused, I wrote nothing about DSK, just Polański who pled guilty to sexually assaulting a minor and then ran away rather than face the consequences (both of these points are beyond dispute quite removed from citizenship issues)

I don't think he should be extradited but I find it fitting that he has to keep looking over his shoulder to avoid the reach of the law....
jon357 70 | 12,786    
31 Oct 2015  #73

One of the grounds on which his extradition was refused was that he'd already served some time.
johnny reb 13 | 2,456    
31 Oct 2015  #74

I also wonder whether the man's faith caused a higher than usual rhetoric from the politicians in question

I tend to believe the higher then usual rhetoric was because of the type of crime that the sick son of a b!tch committed.

Usually pedafiles that go to prison for hurting children are found dead sooner or later with very little investigation.
No doubt they would have found Roman with a broom handle stuck up his back side about three feet.
They call that 'American Justice'.

had Polanski been a strong Polish Catholic, we wouldn't have heard a word about him.

And Jesus wept.............and you of all people that teach children about that age delph.
Let's go with because he was a high profile Polish movie maker that embarrassed Poland to no end instead.
rozumiemnic 9 | 3,328    
31 Oct 2015  #75

Polański who pled guilty to sexually assaulting a minor

let's get this straight as 'sexual assault' covers all kinds of lesser non penetrative acts.
He anally raped a child.
johnny reb 13 | 2,456    
31 Oct 2015  #76

One of the grounds on which his extradition was refused was that he'd already served some time.

Yup a whopping 42 days jon.
An American citizen would have been sentenced to 15 years in a case like that.
Fist fighting on the streets gets you 90 days.
The reason he fled is because he knew his new cell mate Bubba that weighs around 400 pounds who is doing life for murder would have enjoyed showing little Roman how the child felt while he enjoyed popping his nut.
mafketis 16 | 4,721    
31 Oct 2015  #77

he'd already served some time.

My understanding is that that was therapy and/or analysis and not imprisonment. I'm assuming the results would have been known to the judge and maybe that's why he was possibly about to reneg on the plea bargain...
Roger5 2 | 1,450    
31 Oct 2015  #78

No doubt they would have found Roman with a broom handle stuck up his back side about three feet.
They call that 'American Justice'.

Indeed, we in Europe hear quite a lot about American justice. Your police officers seem all to eager to dispense it without the hassle of a court case, and no wonder, when every worthless punk is armed.
johnny reb 13 | 2,456    
31 Oct 2015  #79

No Roger, you misunderstood, his cell mate Bubba would have handed down Romans justice, not the police.
The inmates run the asylum.

He anally raped a child.

He admitted it, the child admitted it.
How it works in the U.S. Roz is the law "stacks" the charges.
Say you get caught driving "impaired" and that is what you are.
The police stack the charges and write you for the higher charge of "drunk" which has much more severe consequences then "impaired" driving.

So when you go to court you can take the chance of losing to a "drunk" driving so you PLEA BARGAIN and agree to take the "impaired driving" which guarantee's the system a conviction.

This is what Roman did.
Instead of the higher offences (Child rape) that he could have been found guilty of he did a plea deal and pled it down to "sexual assault" a much lesser charge. It guaranteed a conviction for the system.

Then when the prosecutor knowing the severity of the case he would have given Roman as much time in prison allowed for sexual assault.
The baby raper knew it and bolted to live with the frogs.
jon357 70 | 12,786    
31 Oct 2015  #80

Yup a whopping 42 days jon.

That was a matter to be dealt with at the time, rather than 35 years later. Though yes, the sentence was exceptionally lenient.

I'm assuming the results would have been known to the judge and maybe that's why he was possibly about to reneg on the plea bargain...

Very possible, though a lot had to do apparently with a district attorney who was coming up for re-election.
johnny reb 13 | 2,456    
31 Oct 2015  #81

That was a matter to be dealt with at the time, rather than 35 years later.

Did you miss the part that he bolted and Europe has been protecting the child raper.
Now that Poland 35 years later finally has the PiS with some morals and respect for humanity they want justice for this scum.

a lot had to do apparently with a district attorney who was coming up for re-election.

I highly doubt that jon, the public was outraged is what a lot had to do with it.
Bring him down here to the farm and we would be happy to de-nut him with the rest of the pigs.
jon357 70 | 12,786    
31 Oct 2015  #82

Europe has been protecting the child raper.

France and Poland have. If he set foot in Britain, he'd be put straight back on a plane to California.

35 years later

That's another issue. Some countries have a statute of limitations.

Read the decision of the court on the extradition request.
bigfoot    
4 Nov 2015  #83

He should have become a priest; he could have boinked as many prepubesent kids as he wanted and gotten away with it, just tell them "its a sin" to tell anyone.
InPolska 11 | 1,825    
4 Nov 2015  #84

Yes, Bigfoot ;););)
Sanity15    
15 Nov 2015  #85

This stuff is just comedy gold - they actually want to make a Polish citizen face a legal system that is a complete joke?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA so typical of the liberal left to protect known rapists and pedophiles! If anything, PiS earns my respect even more. Shows they are consistent and don't cherry-pick their justice, even if it means extraditing a Polish citizen who also happens to be very accomplished and talented but who is *guilty* of the crime.
milky 13 | 1,659    
15 Nov 2015  #86

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA so typical of the liberal left to protect known rapists and pedophiles!

As an Irishman I advise you to look into the recent past of child sexual abuse and the catholic church. Unless of course you consider the catholic church the liberal left.
InPolska 11 | 1,825    
15 Nov 2015  #87

Well done, Milky! I remember about the Magdalena's sisters (only ONE example) and I'm still traumatized. A few years ago, there were also the 800+ baby corpses found buried in a convent.... etc etc etc..

What excuse do they have???? NONE!!!!!!
delphiandomine 87 | 15,827    
15 Nov 2015  #88

Shows they are consistent and don't cherry-pick their justice, even if it means extraditing a Polish citizen who also happens to be very accomplished and talented but who is *guilty* of the crime.

You do realise that he's Jewish, which somewhat changes things in terms of who they pick on? If he was a Polish-Catholic, he would be treated in entirely the same way as the French treat him.
InPolska 11 | 1,825    
15 Nov 2015  #89

Polański being Jewish, it is "normal" that most Poles want to destroy him. Nevertheless, since he's also a French citizen and France does not extradict their citizens so, good luck to JK ;);) ;)
Dougpol1 20 | 1,412    
15 Nov 2015  #90

If he was a Polish-Catholic, he would be treated in entirely the same way as the French treat him.

Ha. I needed a laugh. That really is very good. This forum is far too serious.
The jews improved Poland immeasurably, and the catholic right have been so smug since the infamous "fight" over whether Auschwitz was solely a jewish tragedy, (it obviously wasn't, and didn't need to be fought over) and now they can't get their own way over Polanski. To punish him because he is a jew. Shame:)




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