Religious extremists advocate murdering gay Polish politician

The restaurant business would be sad to see Valentine's Day go, all those wedding venues and honeymoon hotels would go bankrupt and the tabloids would have very little to write about.


Weddings and the Miss World contest 'reduce people's identity'?


So is your leader's gold toilet. So is trump's tower. So is the palace at Versailles and so is Disneyland. So is every Polish soap opera. Get over it.

You were talking about the US and not ancient Greece. The US culture stems from some sort of Christian puritan culture, from what I understand. And in Christianity same sex sexual acts are considered a sin.


There are still countries on this planet where there's death penalty for being gay, but "you don't know"? lol 🤦

In your own country (well, Chechnya at least) gay people are being beaten, tortured and killed:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBTQ_rights_in_Chechnya

I myself discussed with a RuSSian guy from Irkutsk, who said that if he found out his son was gay he would throw him out of the house, disown him and not regard him as his son anymore.


I think the more important question is - why does it bother you so much? 🤔


No, it isn't. I mean, there's nothing "vulgar" about going through streets in colourful clothes, dancing to music and waving rainbow flags. I would only draw the line at some inappropriate outfits and behaviour at those parades. But that probably also depends on the country or even a city - something that may go down well in Berlin could be frowned upon in my Kielce, for example lol However, generally - I do agree that provoking controversy doesn't help gay people with fighting for their rights. It's better to do this in a smart way, imho.


Yes, that's what she means.

@Paulina You are clueless as usual.

When a regular white guy goes on the street half-naked, police would arrive within minutes and he would be charged with public indecency. If the same guy goes on the same street half-naked, but wearing a rainbow bra and heels, it is just a colorful manifestation of his rights.

Not in Poland - and not sure what race has to do with anything.

You have hang ups about gays, I get it, so rather just avoid central Warsaw on that one day of the year

How many Straight pride parades did you attended or even heard of? What is wrong with kipping it private? what is wrong with live and let live.

That is what oppression of tiny minority looks like, camel's nose in the Bedouins tent. You approve display of public depravity, and Jons theory
that everything goes, becomes reality, before you even realize there is a man at your door, with a plastic straw, demanding you suck semen out of the crack
of his ar*e. You know it is done in UK at the present time, in the closet at the time, just waiting for the camel's nose in the tent. That is the definition of everything goes, but I guess you see no problem.

What a stupid thing to say.


Who draws the line? there is much on the TV that some people consider inappropriate.


???????????

Most Polish ryneks have a straight pride parade every Saturday night - chicas and gorillas put on their nicest ciuchy and parade for each other and it's a lot of fun.

You guys need to lighten up

Aha, tolerant Jon on display. Do you think that your remark was brilliant? Licząc na Twoja znajomość polskiego dołączam mądre polskie przysłowie Uderz w stół a nożyce się odezwą.

I don't know about "minutes" and it's more likely that it would happen if someone went "full monty," but, yes, in Poland you can't just go half-naked wherever you want, even if you're a man (white, black or yellow - it doesn't matter).
For example, I've seen comments of Polish people complaining about men coming into shops, restaurants, streets half-naked at the Polish seaside and calling it "Januszowe" "(ill-mannered, redneck) behaviour.


Firstly, the law of the country. Secondly - societal norms.


What you do in private (like watching TV) is different than what is acceptable in public spaces. You don't visit a museum while being half-naked. It's not just a matter of law, but also a matter of showing respect towards other people by not crossing their boundaries.


When being straight was ever considered a sin? When and where were people jailed and killed for simply being straight? When parents were throwing kids out of their homes for being straight? You're comparing apples and oranges.

Was that happening in Poland? No,Why we suppose to have parades then?
Even if that happened in other countries, it is enough to change the law, what for are parades there/ To annoy people? To disgust them? To run a political agenda? To run an ideological agenda? Or all above?
If that is a political and ideological agenda why would we support such a totalitarian immoral ideology? Self -hate, or in your case stupidity.

You don't have to have parades lol Gay people are having them. You don't have to attend them.


The problem is that in Poland gay people can't have any form of legalised relationship:

pap.pl/aktualnosci/20-lat-prob-wprowadzenia-zwiazkow-partnerskich-w-polsce-0


Firstly, I'm not "annoyed" or "disgusted" by their parades, so who are you talking about?
Secondly, those parades and marches are one of the ways of drawing attention to the fact that gay couples don't have equal rights with straight couples in Poland:

paradarownosci.pl/cele-parady/


Firstly, there's nothing "totalitarian" about gay people requesting equal rights lol 🤦 Secondly, your attitude is totalitarian. Poland is a democratic country and here you can make political and ideological protests, marches or parades if you want to. So, even if pride parades were "political and ideological" - they have every right to be that. You may not like them, but I also don't like far-right marches and ideology. So - if far-right people and nationalists can have their "brownshirt" marches, protests, etc. then gay people can have their "rainbowy" parades. 🤷🙄

Most likely you are guilty of excepting immoral behavior, besides in many countries even today, consensual heterosexual act, are punishable by death,
even by stoning.

Did it ever consider that they are nor equal?


Paulina skarbie,by your own words, apples and oranges. Moral and political are entirely different

Who decides what is or is not immoral?

What?


And? Do you support that?


What or who is not equal, according to you?


You can have both apples and oranges in a democratic country. In communist Poland there were plenty of apples, but one would have a hard time getting oranges. One appreciates variety and a freedom of choice far more after experiencing such totalitarian reality.


Not really, they're often intertwined.

Expand your understanding horizons, am I the one who supports and express love of any possible Islamic lunatic,
My newest B .S. detection machine is going crazy, pointing directly at the name Paulina. Are you kidding me?


Not exactly, according to me bur to any moral, sane individual, there is no equality when it comes to loving relationship between man and a woman
and perverted abhorrence to normal behavior


Sure, Paulina, but only you can choose which is edible and which is of the poison variety.

You mean same but different?:)))

I rarely see gay couples disrespecting each other, but in Poland husbands would often bully their wives.

Spewing slogans that make no sense and hoping you make profound sense that pathetic.
You don't even get What I'm talking about.
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Really? Statistic tell us that gay couples kick the **** of each other, in a much great frequency and numbers that normal couples, especially vicious are lesbians.
stop gaslighting people.
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Poland is a sad colony of the western Europe. With token elections that do not change anything.
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Totalitarian parades are prelude, the goal is to change Poland into a progressive hell. Christians should stand against it and have a Christian country. So gay sh't is out
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You describe not democracy but chaos when everything goes, It is a temporary state, it will flip either one way or the other.


That is not a problem. that is a good thing.

Seriously, I don't understand people getting their knickers in a twist over something that happens once a year. Don't like it, don't go.

We've got wars on many fronts with countries bombing the sh!t out of each other and innocent people dying but the very sight/mention of a rainbow flag seems to invoke reactions just as strong as thousands of dead civilians.

It's just the sort of people who get worked up over things. If it wasn't that, if parades were cancelled, they'd just find something else to whine about. Hence the importance of not indulging extreme conservatism.

@Feniks, people like Ironside and Przelotnyptak1 are not normal and so they don't have normal priorieties. They obsess over adult people having consensual sex while ignoring the Catholic Church's cover up of paedophilic rapes and sexual abuse among the clergy. Vomit-inducing hypocrisy.


Certainly not me.


I've asked you a simple question. Just answer it instead of dodging it.


What do you mean by that? Do you think that gay people love each other less than straight people?


There's no "poison variety" of apples and oranges. 🤨

No, not "much" greater, just a bit from what I remember.


Funny, I remember Putinist RuSSians saying the same about elections in the US.


That's curious, because you don't sound like a Christian at all, so who are you to say what Christians should or shouldn't do? And, btw, Poland is a secular state (at least on paper).


Nonsense.


People in question clearly disagree with you and that's why they're having those parades. And as Polish citizens they have every right to make their views known to the public and draw attention to their plight. Also, unlike you - they live here and pay taxes, just like the straight Poles do.

There's a misunderstanding of what it means to be a Christian. Non-believers assume that Christians are expected to tolerate mistreatment, such as being taken advantage of, scammed or defrauded because they are called to love others no matter what. This belief is often reinforced by mass media, but it is a misinterpretation of Christianity.

I know and I don't hold you against you. You are a woman after all. lol.
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Indeed. It is important not to indulge LGBT ideologies. Funny how we both say the same, but all the sheep see only one side (mine) as somehow bad. A Good play, but your side will lose in the end.
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I don't know about Ptak, but I thank you for the compliment. Indeed I'm not your average sh't eater, that consume with relish any crap the mainstream feed him as long as it is wrapped in the shiny paper.
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They are right to a certain extent. You are not choosing from the best options they are but from the limited menu.
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What secular state? There was always separation between sacrum and profanum. I don't recall it was common practise for a clergy to run a country. So what are you talking about?
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Maybe you view of Christianity is tainted by those brainless assumptions? Jesus kicked out personally all those stall owners and thier wares from the temple.
He assaulted them, destroyed their poroperty and kicked them down the stairs. What a Christian supposed to be in your opinion?

You are walking and talking nonsense as expected from a clueless woman.
You can;'t have a country, society nor anything that work if you have multiple worldviews, ethical and moral codes. That is not going to work, something need to give. I would rather have Christianity in charge as it is the best for everyone except villains. ( by the way is the word villain derived from a village. If so they really had it for country bumbkins lol)
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Who cares about their disagreement.? Rapists disagree that a rape is bad, Robbers that looting is bad. A thief that steling is immoral. Murderers agree if they are honest they their victims had it coming. So?

So you'd prefer North Korea to Poland...

The problem is scale, a country needs some kind of worldview/moral framework shared by a very large majority (in general terms) Then you can have a bunch of small minorities who dissent and any number of isolated weirdos...

What doesn't work is 54% thinking that men and women are interchangeable in many types of work and men and women working together is fine and 40 % thinking that social interactions between men and women who aren't married are an abomination.

And the ruling majority needs... teeth.

The North Korea is an example where your option leads to.
A totalitarian state, with expandable plebs or helots and with elite that live in opulence and luxurey.

That is called tolerance and tolerance should have clearly defined boundaries.

Rubbish.

Society doesn't share your extreme views

They do, they just don't know it yet.