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Is pro-opposition Open Dialogue Foundation a cover for Russian interests



OP Polonius3 1,022 | 13,067    
3 Aug 2017  #31

Podunk County Polish Pig Farmer's Gazette

Reduction ad absurdam is your speciality. Why not bring in microchipping attack dogs, you swearing off lies and alcohol for good and your disciple jon now undergoing successful re-heterosexualisation therapy.


rozumiemnic 9 | 3,360    
3 Aug 2017  #32

your disciple jon now undergoing successful re-heterosexualisation therapy.

sad old fvck is back to his favourite subject. Sad old closeted fvck
Harry 78 | 13,533    
3 Aug 2017  #33

sad old fvck is back to his favourite subject.

Well, how else could he respond when it's pointed out to him that despite anything Radio Maybach might tell him, there isn't a shred of evidence to support the laughable claims he makes in this thread and plenty of evidence to support the exact opposite of what he claims?
Ironside 43 | 8,225    
3 Aug 2017  #34

there isn't a shred of evidence to support the laughable claims he makes in this thread and plenty of evidence to support the exact opposite of what he claims?

The some goes for 99% of what you say on PF.
OP Polonius3 1,022 | 13,067    
3 Aug 2017  #35

laughable claims he makes

I'm making no claims, simply reporting and commenting on the passing scene. Others have produced plenty of evidence.
Harry 78 | 13,533    
3 Aug 2017  #36

Others have produced plenty of evidence.

If that were true, you'd have no problem pointing it out to us. Instead you just post off-topic ad hom trolling designed to drive your own thread away from the laughable claims you have made and now realise you cannot support in any way.
OP Polonius3 1,022 | 13,067    
3 Aug 2017  #37

plenty of evidence

Find yourself a translator and get a load of this:
wiadomosci.tvp.pl/8219091/sponsorzy-fundacji-otwarty-dialog

Ask yourself, what interest would Russia's sole producer of atomic submarines and a naval armaments company in Russian-occupied Crimea have in promoting democracy in Poland. A putsch maybe, but not democracy!
Harry 78 | 13,533    
3 Aug 2017  #38

get a load of this:

TVPiS: as reliable now as the Podunk County Polish Pig Farmer's Gazette was when its man in Warsaw was in the pay of the Party.

Russia's sole producer of atomic submarines and a naval armaments company in Russian-occupied Crimea

Which of the below are you claiming is "Russia's sole producer of atomic submarines and a naval armaments company in Russian-occupied Crimea"?

1 Google Ireland Ltd (provision of Internet services) 0 234 134,09 zł
2 Igoria Trade spółka akcyjna [JSC] 245 821,30 zł 203 998,66 zł
3 Silk Road Biuro Analiz i Informacji sp. z o.o. [Ltd.] 118 067,70 zł 119 837,46 zł
4 (...)

en.odfoundation.eu/report/10057,financial-report-2015
OP Polonius3 1,022 | 13,067    
3 Aug 2017  #39

Which of the below

Are you still in infant school? Those may be the officially published donors. The real sponsors are off n the shadows. They don't bankroll directly but through front groups, subsidiaries, special funds, NGOs, universities, etc. in such a way that tracing it back to them is quite a challenge. But, like it or not, that is how the world operates -- governmnets, special services, companies, institutions and mega-

corporations as well as Soros and his multitude of NGOs. Still Błaszczak's interior ministry found a reason to withdraw Open Dialogue's arms-dealing permit aready back in June before Kramek started calling for a Polish Maidan to overthrow the good-change govenrment.

If you had intended to act out what it takes to be a good agent of influence, you couldn't have done a better job. You are a textbook example. They always produce documents, sometimes swamp their vicitms with paperwork and parrot indefensible falsehoods believing like Hitler's crew that a lie repeated 100 times becomes the truth.
OP Polonius3 1,022 | 13,067    
3 Aug 2017  #40

given a certain villa back to the state which once owned the property

How do you know? Any evidence? What if it never was state proeprty but was
sold on the open market by a private estate agent? Yes, they had those back then, but how would you know. Your knowledge of Poland comes from the Kosher Courier and other simlarly dodgy sources.
Harry 78 | 13,533    
3 Aug 2017  #41

They don't bankroll directly but through front groups, subsidiaries, special funds, NGOs, universities, etc. in such a way that tracing it back to them is quite a challenge.

OK, so tell us which of the donors listed here are those "front groups, subsidiaries, special funds, NGOs, universities": en.odfoundation.eu/report/10057,financial-report-2015 You clearly must know which, seeing as you keep making the claim.

Still Błaszczak's interior ministry found a reason to withdraw Open Dialogue's arms-dealing permit aready back in June

The Open Dialogue Foundation never had an arms dealing permit, as the government documents I've already linked to makes clear.

Hitler's crew that a lie repeated 100 times becomes the truth.

Hitler's people weren't the only ones who believed that, the former man in Warsaw of the Podunk County Polish Pig Farmer's Gazette used to tell the lies the Party fed him at least 100 times if the Party told him to. But at least he got paid for that, it's even more laughable to see people doing it for free.
Harry 78 | 13,533    
3 Aug 2017  #42

Still Błaszczak's interior ministry found a reason to withdraw Open Dialogue's arms-dealing permit aready back in June

The hilarity about this story goes on and on! It now turns out that the PiSlamic State's Ministry of Interior and Administration inspected the Open Dialogue Foundation and found that not only had all transactions been carried out according to the terms of the permit granted. The official protocol of the inspection states "During the audit, it was found that all the helmets and vests purchased by the Foundation were not sold, but delivered free of charge, as humanitarian aid to protect the lives and health of Ukrainian soldiers."

And the claim that the permit was withdrawn is also now shown to be as truthful as reports about Solidarnosc bandits in the pages of the Podunk County Polish Pig Farmer's Gazette. The reality, as confirmed by official documents is that the Foundation let the permit lapse when one of the people named in the permit resigned from the board of the foundation.

The story is all covered here:
wiadomosci.onet.pl/tylko-w-onecie/blaszczak-kontrolowal-fundacje-otwarty-dialog-nie-dopatrzyl-sie-uchybien/jeevvle
(translation of highlights is as above)
OP Polonius3 1,022 | 13,067    
3 Aug 2017  #43

us which of the donors listed here are those "front groups

Infant school again? No, that's part of your agent of infleunce MO. When necessary play dumb, reduce things to the absurd, confuse your opponents. You know as well as most people (maybe lower-case doesn't, but he's not very bright) that front groups do not list themselves as such. And the flow of funds makes it difficult to determine who is bankrolling whom.

For ddetails contact the MSW spokesman.
delphiandomine 82 | 15,963    
3 Aug 2017  #44

Perhaps Polonius is in fact an expert on the subject, as witnessed by the fact that the Lower Silesian branch of the Polish Red Cross appears to have funded the election campaign of PiS in 2015.
OP Polonius3 1,022 | 13,067    
3 Aug 2017  #45

appears to have funded

Unfamilair with what have mentioned. Please explain.
Is that good, bad or indifferent?
OP Polonius3 1,022 | 13,067    
3 Aug 2017  #46

Polish Pig Farmer's Gazette used to tell the lies the Party fed him

That repeated jibe reveals your unending diarrhoea of hte mouth and abysmal ignorance of the American Polonia which has always been fiercely anti-communist, conservative and pro-Catholic. Anyone who would call Solidarność activists bandits and hail ZOMOs as heroes could not have possibly been a correspondent for the US Polonia Press even for one day. I have been serving Polonia for decades on end. Even today, Polonians taking part in Polish elections vote for PiS in the 60% range.
jon357 67 | 12,739    
3 Aug 2017  #47

You clearly must know which, seeing as you keep making the claim.

I suspect we'll be waiting a while for this, not least because none exist.
OP Polonius3 1,022 | 13,067    
3 Aug 2017  #48

I suspect we'll be waiting a while for this

Because front groups never list themselves as such. Besides, I'm not in the intelligence or counter-intelligence sevice, just a humble and sympathetic observer of the Polish scene.
jon357 67 | 12,739    
3 Aug 2017  #49

front groups

These would be those 'front groups' that don't exist except in your mind.

just a humble and sympathetic observer of the Polish scene.

Cobblers, you spew propaganda of the worst sort on here daily.
OP Polonius3 1,022 | 13,067    
3 Aug 2017  #50

propaganda of the worst sort on here dail

If pro-Polish sentiment and consistent oppositon to inveterate Pole-bashers in your view is the worst sort of propaganda, so be it. IMHits of being here, so why must he constantly revile and discredit Poles, Poland and all things Polish as "crappy". That incongruity (after all no-one is forcing hm to stay here!) makes it appear likely that he is actually a paid agent of influecne whose assignment is to slander the country, its authorities and everything about it. One only wonders in whose interest that might be?
OP Polonius3 1,022 | 13,067    
4 Aug 2017  #51

paid agent of influence

Just in case the term "agent of influence" is not clear to all posters, here is a defitnion:
An agent of influence is an agent who uses his or her position to influence public opinion or decisions beneficial to the country whose intelligence service operates the agent. Agents of influence are often the most difficult agents to detect, as there is seldom material evidence that connects them with a foreign power. Most commonly they serve the interests of a foreign power either as: 1) a controlled agent directly recruited and controlled by a foreign power; 2) as a "trusted contact" that consciously collaborates to advance foreign interests but are not directly recruited or controlled by a foreign power; or 3) as a "useful idiot" that is completely unaware of how their actions further the interests of a foreign power. Activities range from indirectly spreading the propaganda and lobbying for the interests of the foreign power as well as sowing defeatism to demoralise the victim society.

For the benfit of those posters who know what's what but like to play dumb (one of the MOs of such agents), no, the agent of influence does not go about with an identification tag on his lapel prokaiming: JON HAROLD, Agent of Infuence No. 3497108B.
Harry 78 | 13,533    
4 Aug 2017  #52

contact the MSW spokesman.

We could do that, but we'd just get the latest line the Party wants to be spun, as can be heard on Radio Maybach and TVPiS and then faithfully shilled here by you. A better approach would be to look at the documents produced by the Ministry before they knew what the Party wanted them to do, so that we see the truth rather than the kind of lies which somebody used to write in the Podunk County Polish Pig Farmer's Gazette in exchange for not being deported back to the country he dodged the draft of. In this case looking at the protocol of the inspection of the Open Dialogue Foundation carried out by the MSW last December we can see that all transactions involving items requiring permits were carried out entirely within the terms of the permit issued. Given the contents of the permit issued that means that only transactions involving protective equipment were carried out, no sales of arms or weapons.

We can also see that the MSW all protective equipment was given to Ukrainian servicemen. So the Polish government confirms that the Open Dialogue Foundation was assisting Ukraine in its struggle against Russian invaders, which goes to nail your lie about the Open Dialogue Foundation being funded by Russia. Or are you now claiming that the Open Dialogue Foundation is funded by shape-shifting lizard people?

Anyone who would call Solidarność activists bandits and hail ZOMOs as heroes could not have possibly been a correspondent for the US Polonia Press even for one day.

Given the ignorance Polonia have of Poland (Busia Sophie's pierogies!), it's no surprise that a noted reporter to the Polonia press was for decades a shill of the Party.

Even today, Polonians taking part in Polish elections vote for PiS in the 60% range.

Which just goes to show how out of touch with Poland they are. But at least they no longer have to read the rantings of a certain somebody.
OP Polonius3 1,022 | 13,067    
4 Aug 2017  #53

Polish Pig Farmer's Gazette

Once again pretending that documents and paperwork tell the full story is one of the standard MOs of agents of influence. As stated previously, agents of influence are often the most difficult agents to detect, as THERE IS SELDOM MATERIAL EVIDENCE THAT CONNECTS THEM WITH A FOREIGN POWER.

Your true or feigned ignorance of Polonia could well be another indicator of your clandestine service to the Kremlin. The old Polonia descended from bread-seeking peasant immigiants of the late 19th and early 20th century may not have been too sophisticated, but after the war tens of thousands of Polish WW2 freedom-fighters came to America from refugee camps in Germany and the UK and became a centre of fiercely patriotic, anti-communist activity. A single article about the brave ZOMO allegedly protecting decent Poles from the Solidarity bandits would have disqualified a journalist for life -- something PF seems incapable of doing with a certain disgusting loudmouth. The PolAm press became highly politicised and knowledgeable about what was going on in Soviet-occupied Poland thanks to Radio Free Europe and the Voice of America whose bulletins were reproducd by the Polonian media. The latest news was also provided to more than 30 PolAm newspapers by Polonia's Man in Warsaw.

So, once again HB, you have demonstrated to the whole PF your total lack of credibility and how you truly deserve your title of LL. Is there really no cure for compulsive lying!
Harry 78 | 13,533    
4 Aug 2017  #54

Once again pretending that documents and paperwork tell the full story is one of the standard MOs of agents of influence.

You're saying that the Polish Ministry of Interior and Administration is an agent of influence?! If you'd said that about the Defence Ministry under "Mad" Antoni Macierewicz, you may be believed. However, the simple fact is that the PIS controlled Ministry of Interior and Administration checked everything at the Open Dialogue Foundation and ruled that everything was in order. We know that you believe Polish government checks are effective, that's why you won't risk undergoing one yourself.

A single article about the brave ZOMO allegedly protecting decent Poles from the Solidarity bandits would have disqualified a journalist for life

Articles such as that certainly have disqualified a certain hack from ever working for quality publications. Instead he rants about the "Kosher Courier" and types out tall tales he's heard on Radio Maybach and TVPiS.

The latest news was also provided to more than 30 PolAm newspapers by Polonia's Man in Warsaw.

Funny how he hasn't reported on the Open Dialogue Foundation in even a single one of those 30, isn't it.
OP Polonius3 1,022 | 13,067    
4 Aug 2017  #55

Polish Ministry of Interior and Administration is an agent of influence

No , but you display all the hallmarks of being one. Besides, you claim the "PiSlamic" regime is not credible so maybe its ttnerior ministry was also wrong and botched the check on Open Dialoque. You can't have it both ways. Either they're not credible and one can't believe a word they say or they are credible and speak the truth.

Funny how he hasn't reported on the Open Dialogue

Get yourself a translator and rush to FP's Polish section for the latest despatch to the Pig Faremrs Gazette (ROFL at you HB, at you!)
jon357 67 | 12,739    
4 Aug 2017  #56

If you'd said that about the Defence Ministry under "Mad" Antoni Macierewic

Macierewicz, and links he may allegedly have with Russia as discussed in the media and in books, are a huge concern now. He hasn't denied the allegations at al, and this issue will only grow and grow.

Instead he rants about the "Kosher Courier" and types out tall tales he's heard on Radio Maybach and TVPiS.

Quite.
OP Polonius3 1,022 | 13,067    
4 Aug 2017  #57

Quite.

Always play the yes-man for your guru or he'll disinherit you. Then he will have lost his sole disciple. ROFL!
OP Polonius3 1,022 | 13,067    
4 Aug 2017  #58

Macierewicz

Macierewicz is a true jewel in PIS' crown. The smear campaign he is constantly subejcted to stems from the gnawing fear eating all the Wałęsas, Rzeplińskis, Balcerowiczes, Bonis and others with a collaborationist PZPR and/or TW past. Macierewicz is the most sterling patriot of the lot, fiercely anti-Muscovite, anti-communist, anti-leftist, pro-Polish, pro-Catholic and as patriotic as they come. He was a founder of KOR but eventually withdrew when the group began evolving into a judaeo-leftist mafia.
mafketis 16 | 4,691    
4 Aug 2017  #59

Macierewicz is a true jewel in PIS' crown

Well put! No one wears a crown like a queen!

(one possible reason that he seems so taken by undereducated young men like Janniger or Misiewicz)
delphiandomine 82 | 15,963    
4 Aug 2017  #60

He hasn't denied the allegations at al, and this issue will only grow and grow.

There was an interview with the author a few days ago, and the complaint that Macierewicz was allegedly going to make to the prosecutor still hasn't been made. One can only wonder why he's so keen to avoid a court debate on the issue.




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