Presidential elections 2025 - the race has commenced!!!

It is fairly similiar....for example in Germany a new law needs the signature by the Bundespräsident, if he doesn't give it the new law can't come into existence....kinda a veto!

I didn't know that - it looks like this kind of veto is even stronger than the Polish counterpart since the Polish parliament can overturn presidential veto

Na ja...not as strong, I think. More like a break....before the new law gets back to the Verfassungsschutz for more "proofing"! If there is no fault found then the Prez has to give his signature...so...it's not a total veto!

oh - so it turns out - it's not as storng as a veto from Polish president then :) - POLSKA GUROM !!!

Always! 😎

Maybe a bit of Antarctica.

If they ask the U.K. nicely, we've got an island for them. It's called Gruinard and most of the anthrax spores from weapons testing on the island have probably weakened by now.

Of course. He has good point about putting fascistic autocrats in an island. They can all get together and oppress the penguins.

That clown Braun can go and deface as many exhibitions as he likes. Assuming he's not jailed by PL now he's lost his immunity.

@jon357

But Jon, open invitation for you, to visit, awaiting, after all, we, the rightists, are a gentlemanly kind, so the girls go first:::)))

It shouldn't be. The Polish president is directly elected by the people and has a stronger position according to the constitution.

Although that also leaves more opportunities for the office to be exploited in the interests of the president's party, which in return can lead to a deadlock.

I generally like the Polish solution more because it gives the presidential office more of a purpose and legitimacy. But what happens if you end up with a president who is fundamentally opposed to anything the government wants to do?

Then they're a lame duck president. Happens all the time between mid terms and presidential elections.

Better to have a King or Queen really.

It's amazing how every system protects its own criminals.

Nobodty was executed in the US for the deaths of 58,000 Americans in Vietnam.

A lame duck who can delay the forming of a new government and frustrate the political agenda of this government with his veto. Which is usually not helpful for the country.


Why? If it is a king without any political power and with a purely ceremonial role, then you could still go with a directly or indirectly elected president.

If the king has actual power, then it is not very democratic is it?

Yes. Unhelpful to say the least. Of course it depends on the system, the relationship between Head of State and Head of Government which does of course differ from country to country, however the result is usually stasis.


Democracy takes many forms; there is no single model. Those countries, almost all among the most democratic, developed and stable countries in the world, who have a traditional Head of State, operate by consensus. The monarch's role is to advise, warn and admonish,. Also to make decisions, like a casting vote, if there is no consensus between politicians (usually if an election result is close or a Head of Government dies or is taken ill in office). They do this with the consent of the people, just as they have to abdicate when they lose that consent.

It works by trust and decency; in the vanishingly rare situation that is breached, there are of course mechanisms in place to mitigate it.

As you know, having a hereditary monarchy that has survived for over a thousand years is a sign that a system is working and has not collapsed through instability, dictatorship or revolution.

A leftist monarchist! :)

I wonder if calling for another try of monarchy in Germany would be "verfassungsfeindlich"?

Calling for the end of capitalism seemingly isnt.....

Normal enough. Stability and fairer societies always go together.


Your last bloke wasn't that nice, however if Woodrow Wilson had pn't been able to veto the British plan to install Kaiser Bill's moderate and very popular grandson as monarch and a rallying point for t( nation, history may well have turned out very differently.

....could have been very well true!

Who needs another presidential elections. There is the new Pope!

It was weird to watch how these presidential candidates were first introduced by the Polish media and have been heavily promoted for months before the debates. Almost all of these candidates have been pre-selected by the higher powers. It's less obvious in other countries.

Trzaskowski has been the mayor of Warsaw for many years. I doubt he needed much introduction.