Presidential elections 2020 - your opinions about campaign, candidates

So it's ok as long as one rapes his own daughter ? And she asked for it because they have to live under the same roof! Do you realise how easy it would be for him to manipulate her, threaten her etc. ?

Clearly, Duda didn't do that per se. But if I were him, I would be very cautious. You never know if the victim who is a young adult now (the offender raped an under-aged person) have not been persuaded or compelled in any other way by the family to ask the president for the favour.

Raping an under-aged person is an extremely serious offence. Roman Polański who raped a 13 year-old girl is still being chased by the Americans even if the now adult victim under no influence has forgiven him and asked to let him go.

I didn't know such details - I only read an article in wpolityce.pl - anyway it wasn't as simple as pawian would like us to believe

And once again no one wants to talk about the economy and what the experts say. It comes down to a discussion about a pardon and about a debate that has been scheduled for quite a while that Duda wants to change the terms on. Poland wants a president with no balls for a debate he doesnt get the questions in advance for? This is really a third world democracy if this is the case. JK moves his fingers and Duda blinks his eyes and moves his lips. That is not democracy, that is dictatorship.

wpolityce.pl/polityka/507374-zaskakujacy-artykul-platek-w-gw-publicystka-broni-dude

here's an article by none other than professor Monika Płatek defending Duda


very strange dictatorship if you ask me - with free media (free and nasty)


also Duda vetoed 9 bills that PiS wanted to have passed - I know it's not a huge number but that shows Duda is not merely a puppet

Free media is not funded by the state. Free media is a business, not an economic burden that is a gaping money pit like TVP. 3 billion a year that should have gone to schools or medical care. Thats completely irresponsible use of state funds. Did you happen to watch the video of JK I posted that contradicts everything PiS wants? Probably not.

i am not a blind follower of PiS or Kaczyński - I think PiS is overspending (especially on social transfers) - but I understand their motives - one would think that a programme of a scale of the original 500+ would give PiS enough votes - but the votes didn't materialize untill PiS introduced even more spending - the original 500+ programme starting from 2017 was wholly funded by curbing the VAT fraud and smuggling of fuels to Poland

- now look what you've got on the other side: to quote Jacek Rostowski the former finance minister from PO "(for PiS social programmes) there is no money and there won't be any money" - now they say: we won't cut back on PiS social spending"- my ass

also I remember when media supporting PiS or trying to be objective were completely niche - because the public television almost sang in unison with TVN and Polsat

And what exactly did pawian want you to believe? Pawian wrote: Duda pardoned a paedophile. What is untrue in this statement?


You conveniently forget one thing : paedophilia isn `t sb`s private matter, it is a crime investigated and punished by the state regardless whether victims forgive or not.

read more on the subject - especially the media that you don't particularly like - the pardon pertained the restraining order not the crime itself (which the perpatrator served the sentence for)

living in an inforamation bubble leads to being misinformed, pawian

Yes, I am misinformed coz I watch PiS TV too much. hahaha

I'm just simply referring to that distorted perception of PO being a pro free-market economic libertarian party which is false on many levels. If you're looking for that look no further than to Konfederacja.

PO was, and still is, a political party of statists and beaurocrats.


To be clear, I was referring to your political views and your profile as a POKO and Trzaskowski supporter and not to you as a person. I'm sure you are a decent guy, being a teacher and doing your voluntary work, just politically naive.


I give a credit where credit is due. I support Konfederacja and I do agree with them more than with any other political party but I've got my own opinions as well. If you could raise your head above POKO vs PiS tribal war you would understand.

my guess is you probably don't watch it at all - I also sometimes find TVP nerve grating - but you could sometimes read dorzeczy.pl niezalezna.p or wpolityce.pl just to have a different taste of things

Just a dumb political rhetoric, not to be taken literally


They are humans and those people in charge during PRL were humans too. Damn isn't it obvious it the same. Do you have more dumb ass observation like that? bring it on.


still PiS or PO are almost the same when it come to the economy.


He is not. He lies too much and think that is OK. I'm pretty sure he lie to himself too, That is not a decent human.

they choose to still live here so they have more credibility than you (as far as I'm concerned)

yes it it just fine. So don't worry about it. just treat your obsession i.e. dictating to people what to do.


Sure, listing to some dumb asses is right into your ally as long as they are in line with your preconceptions. Go ahead and repast that one-liner that makes you look dumber than anything else. I don't mind at all.

Ok completely understand where you are coming from now, I find it amazing that two people who lived in Poland during PRL can have completely opposite opinions as to what went on , but yet it is something that I come across time and time again.

Looks like some Polish folk bought into the lefty marxist lifestyle and miss the security / privilege that it gave them , can anyone tell me which Polish party mostly represents the values of the old PRL ?,

You are in no position to criticize others for having preconeptions...


PiS of course, JK was totally shaped by the PRL, he's never spent any significant amount of time outside Poland, knows no foreign languages (that I'm aware of).

The surface details are very different but the structural principles (in terms of how they play out in the real world) are very PRL...

Watch the photo story how two rival MPs scuffle before Trzaskowski`s conference hahaha Emotions are so high. I wonder what they will be like next week.

fakty.interia.pl/galerie/kraj/incydent-przed-konferencja-trzaskowskiego-nitras-nie-wpuscil-zdjecie,iId,2916898,iAId,375717

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You have been waiting patiently and thou shall be duly rewarded for that:

My estimates which are somewhere in the middle between optimistic and pessimistic:

Hołownia got 2 693.397 votes. 70% of it gives 1 885.000
Biedroń got 432 129. 90% of it gives 388.000
KK got 459 365. 80% of it gives 367.000
Bosak got 1 317 380. 35% of it gives 460.000

Together 3,100,000 votes. Now, it is Trzaskowski`s task to convince lazy voters who refused to take part in the first round. It is probably happening, e.g., Polonia already registered for the second ballot at a record number of 0.5 million.

Now everything is in Trzaskowski`s and God`s hands to collect those missing 600.000 votes. Let them both be lucky with it.. hahaha


Thank you and the same to you, peace between us. :)


Possible, but it never reached such incredible level of communist-like propaganda as now PiS media do.


I tried a few times but it is too frustrating to read guys like Ziemkiewicz. Do you want me to break down and get a depression? :)

I was joking, of course, but I indeed read a short interview with Ziemkiewicz and it didn`t appeal to me at all. He claims Konfederacja should vote for Duda coz he is patriotic and supported the March of Independence or Cursed Soldiers, while Trzaskowski didn`t which means he isn`t patriotic.

dorzeczy.pl/kraj/145676/ziemkiewicz-nie-jest-w-interesie-polski-by-ktos-taki-byl-prezydentem.html

Sorry but if I have to read such bollocks for halfwits, I`d rather stick to other media which are prejudiced like Do Rzeczy (taking sides) but at least in a more intelligent way.

But thanks for the idea - I think I will start a new thread about rightwing media one day because now as i am perusing that Do Rzeczy site, I can see nice old communist and PiS` neobolshevik style propaganda. It is certainly worth discussing it in another thread.

To be honest that's a good thing have you looked outside Poland lately.

And he slept in his own bed when martial law was introduced. He hadn`t posed any danger to the communist regime so they let him stay in his mum`s place.

Free nedia always will be nasty to someone and in particular to those holding power. If the are not nasty, it is a clear sign there is no free media in a country.

I agree with those numbers except Kosiniak-Kamysz 80% votes for Trzaskowski.
Kamysz electorate are conservative countryside voters who are in vast majority against LGBT propaganda. Trzaskowski can't count on more than 50% of their votes, and that's already a very optimistic estimation for him. So max. 260 000 votes instead of 367 000

So together still under 3 million votes

unlike you , protecting your commie fatherland fully armed.


If they are free. Independent would be better term. Impartial would be even better but that never happens. Gumishu wanted to say that most of the big medias in Poland are working in accord against PIS or any political power that do not share they ideological and political standing. It changed a bit when PIS took over Governmental TV. Still those media are not weak or weaker.


Well, they not. IF those holding power are theirs (ideologically, politically) they will happily chime in with supportive propaganda and attack opposition.
What dimension do you live in "?

in the 1970s 80s or 90s?

Yes , I knew you would have doubts about this one. :): That is why I thought twice before writing 80%.


No more. That`s gone. Only 3% KK`s voters are really rural. Over 50% countryside votes fell on Duda.

wiadomosci.onet.pl/kraj/wyniki-wyborow-2020-jak-glosowali-mieszkancy-wsi-i-miast/sykd3fp


Yes, I was standing there, next to you, remember??? hahahaha Later our lives took different course - I stayed to make a career in capitalist Poland, while you decided to break off with the past and emigrated to Israel.


Certainly he lives in a Polish dimension, unlike you.

that was actually the case in PO-PSL years because independent media were niche

great debate! , but seriously does anyone think that duda will not win?, evan amonsgst the PiS equals PRL fanatics?

The polls are close enough that it may haopen. And he had few problems recently. The debate, the pedophile ... When you have headlines like that few days before elections it's no good.. It won't be enough to convince people not to vote for him but he is in a position where he has to draw new people in

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A divine intervention, huh? It's good to know that a total opposition has carefully planned strategy of winning the upcoming elections...