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Presidential elections 2020 - your opinions about campaign, candidates


Spike31 3 | 1,637
3 Apr 2020 #511
JK is ordering Poles to go to elections despite the raging pandemia.

Nobody is "ordering" Poles to go to polls. The what's constitution says. Aren't you a defender of a constritution? Be more consistent.

And it is not a "raging pandemia" but the seasonal flu with a mortility rate of around 2% (3266 infected, 65 death), mostly among 70+ yo.
OP pawian 170 | 11,349
3 Apr 2020 #512
Mail carriers are happy to contribute to the elections according to this article

Yes ,especially that PiS has just replaced the Polish Post director. It happened two hours ago and the new one is the former Defence Deputy Minister. He will know how to pacify those mail carriers in case they aren`t happy to offer their lives for PiS motherland hahaha

Spike, you should read my sentence as a whole: JK is ordering Poles to go to elections despite the raging pandemia. Isn`t it logical that I meant he is forcing Poles to risk their health or even life by not putting off the elections?
Spike31 3 | 1,637
3 Apr 2020 #513
It only means that those who are paranoid enough to think that this is "raging pandemia" will not go out to vote. That's their free choice to sit on their asses watching bad TV.

Btw. London is still pretty normal place to live in, despite some apocalyptic crowd in dust masks and latex gloves. I go out jogging and cycling on a regular basis. If I would get stopped by a police I'll tell them that I'm going shopping, which is true since I'm usually thirsty after a good jog so I can use a cold drink :-)

And I will definitely go voting in Polish embassy or consulate.

The only thing that has changed for me is that I order shopping online cause I don't fancy wasting time standing in a long line with apocalyptic crowd listening to their "wisdoms"...

odi profanum vulgus et arceo ;-)
cms neuf - | 1,589
3 Apr 2020 #514
You are another one who won't be voting Spike - every cloud etc. LOL
Spike31 3 | 1,637
3 Apr 2020 #515
And I will definitely go voting in Polish embassy or consulate.
cms neuf - | 1,589
3 Apr 2020 #516
It won't be open sir - no gatherings of more than 2 people in Britain. You can watch it on TV

You could of course take the matter up with the European Court except Britain has just left its jurisdiction LOL
Spike31 3 | 1,637
3 Apr 2020 #517
It won't be open sir - no gatherings of more than 2 people in Britain

Until 10th of May the situation will change 5 times already
cms neuf - | 1,589
3 Apr 2020 #518
Maybe, maybe not.

But where do you think it is in the mayor of London's intray right now ?
OP pawian 170 | 11,349
3 Apr 2020 #519
If Scottish officials already informed Polish partners they wouldn`t agree to Polish elections during the plague, I doubt England will be different.
Spike31 3 | 1,637
3 Apr 2020 #520
England is different in every measurable way. And also with their approach to Chinese flu

But where do you think it is in the mayor of London's intray right now ?

Oh yeah, that funny little man Sadih Khan. I haven't heard from him in a while. Where is that fine stateman, is he bunkered in his cellar?
cms neuf - | 1,589
3 Apr 2020 #521
LOL good luck trying to get all that sorted out - you think some poor clerks are going to brave the subway just to deal with your absentee ballots. Anyway it's abour time the system changed and only Polish residents get to vote
Spike31 3 | 1,637
3 Apr 2020 #522
I am a Polish resident and I divide my time between England and Poland. My family house is located in Poland and I've also bought my own flat in there which I'm renting out. I've got an online business in Poland and I'm paying taxes there. And did I mentioned that I've got a Polish citizenship only?
cms neuf - | 1,589
3 Apr 2020 #523
Won't do you much good on May 10th when some copper is stopping you to ask why you are on the street
OP pawian 170 | 11,349
3 Apr 2020 #524
Which is why you register online and submit an absentee ballot....

According to current regulations, you need to be disabled. Verifiably - does such a word exist?

dziennikzachodni.pl/glosowanie-korespondencyjne-co-to-oznacza-dla-wyborcow-jak-glosowac-umozliwi-wybory-prezydenckie-w-maju-2020/ar/c1-14891909
Ziemowit 13 | 4,075
3 Apr 2020 #525
you will not be voting and nor will any of the dziadzias

Dziadzias and bushas are kindly requested to stay in Chicago and keep out of Poland as much as they can.

God bless the United States of America!
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,550
4 Apr 2020 #526
Won't do you much good on May 10th when some copper is stopping you to ask why you are on the street

WTF are you talking about? The USA isn't some crazy country where people get arrested for going outside. I've been working, going to the office here and there, and doing everything the same except for going to retail stores which are closed (or accepting online orders and then handing you your order through the door) and restaurants which having people pick up food curbside. In fact, earlier today I picked up some paint and other supplies to do a spring fix up of my home. There's less cars on the roads, but no one is getting pulled over or arrested just for driving around. In fact now that I think of it there's way less cops on the road than normal as there's less people outside and the dindus aren't shooting each other nearly as much for the time being.

Furthermore, the shelter orders end at the end of April. Everything is expected to reopen as normal except for maybe NYC by May 1. Meaning yes, as a citizen I will be participating in the presidential election at the local Polish consulate unless they decide to accept votes another way if the chinavirus shutdown is extended.

And most importantly PiS is going to win anyway. The Polish citizens will have spoken, so all sexpats and LBH's must stay quiet.

bushas

Wtf is a busha? No such word in Polish.
cms neuf - | 1,589
4 Apr 2020 #527
Dude it will get worse before it's get better and by May your cops will be stopping you from all non essential movements.

Even if you can go where you want then the consultate will be shuttered - the guys that run it signed up for a few years of eating donuts on Milwaukee Avenue, not for wearing masks and gloves to facilitate potentially infected seniors voting in a crazy election

but anyway the govt is already thinking that either all foreign residents can vote or none of them -so looks like people like you will be disenfranchised and that it is only right - voting should maybe be for people who have a strong connection with Poland.

Actually I agree with you - Polish citizens should vote wherever they are, which is one reason this election is a farce.
Crow 139 | 8,609
4 Apr 2020 #528
Be advised. Duda don`t control Poland.

How I know this? There is the rift between him and Polonia in USA. Duda see Serbs as problem, while Polonia (with Corey Lewandowski, right hand of USA Trump, who have entire business enterprise that pump money to Serbs in Bosnia, in coordination with Belgrade) see Serbs as solution, as they were always for Poland historically. At the same time, ultra right Catholics and all other patriotic blocks in Poland have close ties with Serbs, same as Polonia.

Now, we know that Polish army allows for transport of Russian armament to Serbia via Poland`s and Visegrad`s air space. Its obviously against Duda`s stance on Serbs and Russians. Its in direct opposition to official policy of President of Poland.

But how Duda come to look at Serbs, same as on Russia? How come that Duda prefer Germany instead of USA? And, after all, how come that Duda fails to offer hand of cooperation to Russia?

I have an answer for you.

See, historically, biggest Polish patriots were Catholics. Often ultra right Catholics, so don`t be confused if I say that Vatican stays behind Duda. But not even official Vatican but `deep state` of Vatican. So, not Vatican as center of Catholicism but circles within Vatican that looks for specific interests of state of Vatican. These circles constantly profit on Polish-Russian conflict. These circles, for their own interests (that BDW ignore interests of Poland) on Balkans, historically, opt for total destruction of Serbs (not because Serb-Russian ties, but because of Vatican-Germanic projects in the region to which are Serbs obstacle). Serbs then in turn call in aid all who are able to support them. We would like official Poland to support us same as Polonia and Polish patriots within Poland doing but you see whats going on. Now, China, Russia and many other powers, and even Polonia support us but not official Poland. Even USA Trump, what we can say f0or certainty, isn`t against Serbs.

See how Vatican rule Poland? That is why official Poland push for so called `Three seas initiative` and not for Intermarium, as Pilsudski suggested. `Three seas initiative` exclude, confront and challenging Serbs by meddling into opened questions of ownership in Adriatric, which historically rightful owner (speaking of Slavic Adriatic) are ethnic Serbs/Serbian state, who after all liberated and won Adriatic for Slavic world. So,`Three seas initiative` seek to cement current situation and secure Serbia as landlocked country, what would with time secure its died out, as deep state of Vatican and Germanics wants. Intermarium is something else. Pilsudski counted on Serbs as important factor in Intermarium.

In other words, `Three seas initiative` follow idea of Poland by the Kanopisht pact. See on Google what is `Kanopisht pact`. Its Vatican-Germanic program to set Poland as clero-Catholic state, where religion comes before ethnicity. Its to kill Slavic sense of Poland and assimilate is slowly into Germans.

That is Duda. Now I completely understand. No trickery anymore. I see him now without his mask.

There is now, behind curtain, strong battle between truly patriotic Poles and those who support Duda within Poland and outside of Poland. There is battle for Poland and most Poles, as I see, aren`t even aware of it.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,550
4 Apr 2020 #529
Dude it will get worse before it's get better and by May your cops.

Are you a virologist or even an MD? Perhaps you have some sort of crystal ball? How the hell do you know that it's going to get worse and what a governor will do in response a month from now? Like I said, America isn't some cucked country like Germanistan and sadly lately lately Poland where healthy people can't go outside and do what they want. If the governor said that no one is allowed outside and can't drive around you'd have rioting within minutes especially in the hoods. And besides you think I give a **** about the police? **** the police.

Has leftist propoganda brainwashed you that bad where you can't fathom that America is about freedom. This isn't some cucked w European country where everyone obeys the government as they restrict peoples' freedoms and screw the natives over while bending over backwards for turd worlders and jews.

There were even a few parties over the weekend. A few got caught by the cops because of punk ass rat snitches and guess what happened? Nothing. They were told to either make it a smaller group or go home.

Even if you can go where you want then the consultate

It's a consulate, not a consultate... The CONSULATE and the Polski Trojkat are miles apart. Like I said, when I called the consulate last week they expect to be open and if not there will be other directions for voting. And if they close it big deal - PiS will win and PO will lose without my vote anyway. Poles still haven't forgiven PO for kowtowing to the EU and agreeing to bring in hordes or turd worlders or their support for pedaly

foreign residents can vote or none of them -so looks like people like you will be disenfranchised and that it is only right

Indeed residents shouldn't vote. Only Polish citizens, like myself, should have that privilege. People who are of Polish blood, were born in Poland, or obtained citizenship after going through the long process and can speak Polish. It's highly unlikely that such a change will happen as it'd require voting on a new bill and PiS knows that foreigners residing in Poland namely sexpats, LBH's, etc. are liberal. Furthermore, foreigners can already take part in smaller local elections, but presidential, sejm, etc. are up to citizens.

Don't worry PiS will still win and PO will still lose with or without my or other Polish citizens' abroad votes.

If anything, you'd want Polonia to vote considering polls show that the most popular parties are first PO, second PiS, third Korwin.
OP pawian 170 | 11,349
4 Apr 2020 #530
And it is not a "raging pandemia" but the seasonal flu with a mortility rate of around 2% (3266 infected, 65 death),

You`d better listen to voice of reason. Here is a virologist from Russia, I am sure your idol, Korwin, would be happy to meet him so why don`t you both listen to what the guy says about the virus - namely, it is much more dangerous than typical flu.

rp.pl/Medycyna-i-zdrowie/200409673-Rosyjski-ekspert-Koronawirus-znacznie-grozniejszy-niz-grypa.html
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
4 Apr 2020 #531
Mail carriers are happy to contribute to the elections according to this article

Gowin has come out and said himself that elections won't be happening on the 10th May. twitter.com/Jaroslaw_Gowin/status/1246429078401495040

Time will tell, but this, combined with his "I'm going to talk to the opposition over the weekend" is clearly resulting in panic among PiS supporters on Twitter. He's getting abuse from a lot of them, and the abuse from that idiot Mazurek won't be forgotten easily. I'm almost certain Gowin will be using this weekend to find out whether or not the opposition will support him leading a technocratic government, and that the '2 years delay' is just a smokescreen.

Don't worry PiS will still win and PO will still lose

Assuming that PiS are even still in power. What's going on over the last couple of days means that they might be out of government by the start of next week.
Spike31 3 | 1,637
4 Apr 2020 #532
I am sure your idol, Korwin

I don't have any idols. I only have persons with whom I agree more than with the others. Think for yourself people. Don't be a mob, be individuals.

Chinese flu is just another disease that we'll have to live with like with common flu which is with us since the beginning of civilisation. The sooner we accept that, the better so we can stop being a panicking apocalyptic mob and go back to our normal daily activities.
mafketis 23 | 8,404
4 Apr 2020 #533
Gowin has come out and said himself that elections won't be happening on the 10th May

I saw one story that suggested that Szumowski (who I can't strongly criticise, he's done as good a job as is possible given the circumstances) had convinced both Morawiecki and even Duda that the elections shouldn't happen on May 10... but JK remains rigid (big surpiso!)

Meanwhile more and more people are wondering why PiS is spending so much time and effort on making May 10 elections happen when no one wants them (and kind of ignoring much more important issues....)
OP pawian 170 | 11,349
5 Apr 2020 #534
The sooner we accept that, the better so we can stop panicking and go back to our normal daily activities.

Who knows if you aren`t right?

I saw one story that suggested that Szumowski had convinced both Morawiecki

Maf, you saw this story here:
https://polishforums.com/news/presidential-elections-opinions-campaign-85472/16/#msg1733048

PiS is spending so much time and effort on making May 10 elections happen

The latest rumour: no elections on 10th May, but in August/September.
mafketis 23 | 8,404
6 Apr 2020 #535
News headline - Gowin resigns from the government over its insane commitment to hold elections May 10... JK apparently furious....

wiadomosci.wp.pl/koronawirus-w-polsce-i-wybory-prezydenckie-dymisja-jaroslawa-gowina-co-dalej-z-liderem-porozumienia-6496941438048385a

Remember: When the chips were down JK cared more about his personal power than keeping the public safe..

Never forget!
Crow 139 | 8,609
6 Apr 2020 #536
For us Serbs outside and inside of Poland, for all of us who chooses Poland, these elections are important. Chose wisely Poland and have all Serbian interests in mind.
jon357 63 | 15,214
6 Apr 2020 #537
have all Serbian interests in mind.

I doubt that will be a factor for even one person.
Crow 139 | 8,609
6 Apr 2020 #538
You think so? See, I think it will have its impact on citizens of Poland even unconsciously.

Blood within Poles (I mean ALL Poles and what make them what they are) would boil within them and rebel against itself if Poland betray. Do you really believe that all those unnamed Serbs that gave itself to Poland and to what is Polish blood, vanished in full assimilation?

No, Poland isn`t western Europe, Germany for example, where Serbian root was so totally expunged (but even so, still live). Poles knows who they are. If somebody wants destruction of us who still call itself Serbs, on Balkan/Central Europe/South Eastern Europe (Serbia and Serbian lands in the regions here) in Poland and in other Slavic countries, then that one for sure don`t wish nice neither to state of Poland.

So, Polish patriots knows. Its on them and on their choices to decide fate of very idea of what is Poland.

For we Serbs who knows we are Serbs, there is great number of us, here in the region, Lusatia, Kashubs, etc, and we shall know to protect ourselves. We awakening and we re-knit our connections, rebuild our realm. We are in open, we are in shadows, we are within. We are Serbians. We are living legend.
jon357 63 | 15,214
9 Apr 2020 #539
Some news here for Polish speakers. Obviously not yet confirmed, though if true, it's likely to have an effect on political life. Perhaps we're seeing that effect now.

wiesci24.pl/2019/05/20/kaczynski-umiera-prawnik-z-tvp-twierdzi-ze-prezes-pis-ma-nowotwor/?fbclid=IwAR3--FpF80Ct8g-m8uSVPtW0PoXgYvEVQ0TAr7l3Q4Zel40u_TrRw61-ssM
jon357 63 | 15,214
16 Apr 2020 #540
Very sensibly, the UK, Germany and the US have banned voting at embassies. PiS are apparently dismayed, however did they really think it would have been possible?


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