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Polonophobia rising in Israel.


gregy741 4 | 1,204
27 May 2018 #91
just as you support Islamic terror groups

which terrorists groups from Iran i support again?i forgot..could you remind me pls.
i tell you something interesting...
There is only ONE Iranian terrorist group,who committed many acts of terrorism. its called MEK. and guess what? it supported by western countries and US..

it even had it headquarter in Paris
LDeJongh - | 30
27 May 2018 #92
Ah, so you missed Iran's Quds force. And the fact that the Iranian government is themselves a major sponsor and actor in global Jihad, as per their constitution.

I'm surprised you haven't moved there. You do love their propaganda.
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,528
27 May 2018 #93
Maybe they don't love it but instinctively they are afraid. A Stockholm syndrome before being enslaved.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,625
27 May 2018 #94
@gregy741

I don't see Mozambique and a few other african countries on the list. Nonetheless its pretty accurate. America tries to spread its debt laden declining dollar and anyone who refuses is dealt with violently.

You're not going to explain this to people inflicted by the disease of american/Israeli exceptionalism...

It's okay for a person to blow up your house, kill your family as long as it's an American or israeli doing it...

If the nazis won ww2 to this day the ak would be a terrorist organization and the warsaw uprising would be their 9/11...

One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist and vice versa
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
27 May 2018 #95
America tries to spread its debt laden declining dollar and anyone who refuses is dealt with violently.

Iraq? Libya? Now Iran?

Hmm, what could be the common denominator here?
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,625
27 May 2018 #96
American hawks, military industrial complex, large currency traders, IMF, zionists, banks - a dangerous consortium...

It's not jusy those countries it was the same **** in Europe, Asia, Africa, latam, etc. Atleast a few times like in Vietnam, Lebanon, Iraq and Afghanistan karma caught up with their hubris and violent arrogance and they got their asses handed to them.

And now it's the same in Iraq - the same country they invaded over non-existent wmds (which actually Reagan gave them in the 80s but they used them all up against Iran and destroyed much of the test to comply with un) which is now being run by the leader of the peace companies that killed thousands of occupiers. Thats just sweet sweet irony...

Oh and Hezbollah gained even more seats in the recent lebanese elections
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
27 May 2018 #97
American hawks, military industrial complex, large currency traders, IMF, zionists, banks - a dangerous consortium...

It's a really frightening combination. I actually thought Trump would stop much of the meddling internationally, but it's just more of the same old game. Clinton, Bush, Obama, now Trump - all of them bowed down and bent over for the military industrial complex that needs feeding.

The surreal thing for me - I can't even see what America has to gain by interfering in places like Iraq and Libya.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,625
27 May 2018 #98
I knew he wouldn't. I knew he'd cut funding to like social groups or those that promote women's rights and stuff like that but that's a drop in the bucket. And it's a shame he cut that because a lot of these 3rd world women have no clue how to use a tampon or condom even if it was given to them for free. But that money is peanuts compares to the military interventionism. Once he said he'll make the us army stronger than ever I knew that there was no way he could cut out us involvement abroad as the two are so interconnected.

Well with Libya it was mainly to prevent gaddafi from launching a new currency called the dinar to sell his own country's oil instead of the us dollar and hoping that currency would spread to other african and Arab oil producers and theyd ditch the dollar. Also the country had virtuslly no debt, and these people get a boner anytime they think of indebting an entire nation. Communism historically has not worked, but a softer version of socialism that takes into account religion, culture, customs etc of a country sure worked for Libya under gaddafi.

With Iraq and Syria it was just an attempt an balkanization to make us/saudi arabia/israel the dominant players in the ME with oil a 2nd consideration.

International.banks and imf also make a ton of money by offering reconstruction loans to the countries that the us destroys.

And some people still wonder why nk wont give up its nukes....
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,528
27 May 2018 #99
I am glad the NK has nukes. It was a very smart move on their part to get them as nukes prevent wars.

The 40,000 US soldiers who died in Korea wouldn't if NK had nukes then.

Trump should have pulled out of everywhere, Europe and Korea included. Instead, he went with the swamp on this one.
Slavictor 7 | 198
5 Jul 2018 #100
Apparently 100's of 1000's of Ukrainians will be making a pilgrimage to Poland over the next decade, thanks in whole to the neo-con mind stirring the pot in Ukraine. Poland has to absorb these poor folk because of the scum that caused their flight?

"Israel is arming neo-Nazis in Ukraine"
electronicintifada.net/content/israel-arming-neo-nazis-ukraine/24876

The episode is reminiscent of the Iran-Contra scandal, except far more transparent this time -

"Ronald Reagan says Israel was the instigator and prime mover in the Iran-contra affair"
TheWizard - | 236
5 Jul 2018 #101
Hey mate. Every uki i ever met was a nazi, i only probably knew 7 or 8? So not that many but how many do i have to meet to see one that isn't a nazi? However, the whole jews arming nazis thing sounds insane. I think between russias bs and uki nazi bs you pricks deserve each other.
Slavictor 7 | 198
19 Jul 2018 #102
Every uki i ever met was a nazi

I'm neither and that is a poor batting average you have there.
Miloslaw 6 | 3,027
19 Jul 2018 #103
Gotta agree with The Wizard up to a point.
Most Ukrainians I've met were Nazi or verging on it,but the rest were Commies.....no time for any of them.
dolnoslask 6 | 3,133
19 Jul 2018 #104
Most Ukrainians I've met were Nazi

Funny that the ones my parents met were helping the Russians to load them onto a cattle truck to Siberia.

What do we deduce from that lot.

Nazi, Soviet ?
Miloslaw 6 | 3,027
19 Jul 2018 #105
Dolno,my family had the same experience........
dolnoslask 6 | 3,133
19 Jul 2018 #106
bugger I just can't imagine the horror our parents went through , It knocks me down every time I think about it.
Miloslaw 6 | 3,027
19 Jul 2018 #107
My Grandmother died in The camp in Siberia from pneumonia.My Dad lost his mum when he was just 15.
My Dad,Grandad,two aunts and an uncle survived and made the trek to African refugee camps via India.
My uncle lied about his age and joined the Polish army.Did the whole North African thing up to and beyond Monte Cassino.
An older uncle was in The Polish army and fought The Russians.When all was lost he joined The AK but was later betrayed by a Pole and was sent to Siberia too.......as you say,I don't know how they coped,survived and made successful lives for themselves.

My aunt,who was in that Siberian camp,would never say a bad word against Russians.But she hated their rulers.
dolnoslask 6 | 3,133
19 Jul 2018 #108
died in The camp in Siberia

Yep same history, half the children died in Siberia, another third on my mothers side in Africa, plus granddad on my fathers side.

dad was also at Cassino II corps.

Somehow I find myself here alive with a normal life,I kind of feel guilty for having an easy life in comparison , hard thing to describe but its always there in the background..
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,625
20 Jul 2018 #109
Nazi, Soviet ?

The Soviets purposely tormented civil war in the territories they occupied. Just as the SS followed the wermacht to conduct ethnic cleansing, so did the NKVD following the red army.

I think the guy who actually killer Bandera was a polish kgb guy.

I'm pretty surprised so many people.here had families affected by Ukrainians during ww2. I thought it was more limited to Galicia and volhynia. My uncle tho was almost killed by upa but thus occurred to my understanding closer to areas around silesia
Ana Lee - | 6
21 Jul 2018 #110
I guess the thread has gone a bit off topic but I just wanted to throw my 2 cents in that I don't think there is a problem of "polonophobia" in Israel. Even the original article talks about some individual case where the guy appears to have had mental issue and another case where someone said something that demonstrates some ignorance of history. Neither of those mean that there is a general problem of "polonophobia" in Israel.
WielkiPolak 58 | 1,034
21 Jul 2018 #111
^ Do you think there is a general problem of antisemitism in Poland?
Ana Lee - | 6
21 Jul 2018 #112
^ I don't know, I've only been to your country a couple of times and didn't have an opportunity to meet and talk to enough people to be able to tell if there is such a problem and I'm not too familiar with what the statistics say. I did come across a poll once that said that a majority of Poles don't want Jews to move to Poland but I'd rather not form an opinion based on just one poll.
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,528
21 Jul 2018 #113
The word 'phobia' - which means an extreme fear - is overused and misapplied. It should be anti-polonism.
Ana Lee - | 6
21 Jul 2018 #114
Well whether you call it a phobia or anti-polonism, I don't think such a sentiment exists in Israel. There might be some notion that eastern Europeans in general are [relatively speaking] somewhat more antisemetic than western ones, but even that doesn't mean that most Israelis begrudge them for it. When you are surrounded by nations that want to literally destroy you, and believe that everybody else has at least some hatred towards you, you don't waste your mental energy on being resentful towards people who aren't actively trying to kill you. IDK if that makes sense but that's how I perceive it.
WielkiPolak 58 | 1,034
21 Jul 2018 #115
I think there is about as much dislike of Jewish people in Poland as there is Polish people in Israel, plus, one fuels the other. Overall though, I wouldn't say anti Polonism or antisemitism are not particularly major issues in Israel or Poland. Certainly not the biggest issues in those two countries. There is far more antisemitism and anti Polonism in other nations. Take a trip to France or Germany and you will see much more antisemitism than in Poland. It's rife.

By the way Ana, where are you from? Israel by chance?
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,528
21 Jul 2018 #116
IDK if that makes sense but that's how I perceive it.

It makes perfect sense.

My take on this alleged anti-polonism is that Polish people are overly Polo-centric and self-important.
Ana Lee - | 6
21 Jul 2018 #117
WielkiPolak - By the way Ana, where are you from? Israel by chance?

Yeah, I'm from Israel. I kind of fell in love with Poland a couple of years ago when I first came to visit, partly because my bf is Polish and partly because I think that objectively you have an amazing country. I can certainly believe that there is a lot of antisemitism in France and other parts of western Europe, maybe they're just less upfront about it or whatnot but I can believe that it's there. As for anti-polonism, I must say that I've never heard of such a notion existing anywhere and I don't understand why anyone would resent you, neither here nor in places like France and the like.

Rich Mazur - My take on this alleged anti-polonism is that Polish people are overly Polo-centric and self-important.

Well Israelis tend to be very Israeli-centric [and paranoid about what everyone thinks about them as a result], so I can hardly blame you for that...
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,528
21 Jul 2018 #118
I don't understand why anyone would resent you, neither here nor in places like France and the like.

The resentment comes from the numbers. One Polish guy in a French village is an interesting guest. One thousand are a horde.
WielkiPolak 58 | 1,034
21 Jul 2018 #119
Well this resentment isn't everywhere. The reasons are different. In Israel some people still have an image of Polish people disliking Jews and basically think they took part in the the holocaust together with Germany. Now they believe Poland owes Jews compensation for that, so they don't like them. In Russia it's down to the very negative past between Poland and Russia, so many Russians and Polish people just don't like each other.

In other places, where there are a lot of Polish people, such as the UK, it might well be a numbers thing. There are lots of Polish people there and locals feel like they are taking their jobs etc. That type of resentment is aimed at foreigners in general though, anywhere where there are a lot of them, not just Polish people.
Ana Lee - | 6
21 Jul 2018 #120
WielkiPolak - Well this resentment isn't everywhere. The reasons are different.

Well I guess there is a notion that more Polish people were willing participants of the holocaust than in other countries, but afaik almost all the resentment is towards Germany and even that I think has mostly died out in recent years. As for the demand for compensations, idk much about it but I think different organizations here try to push to get compensations from various different countries in Europe in order to help the survivors who lived in those countries at the time, so I don't think it's aimed specifically at Poland. Either way I think it comes more from a place of wanting money [presumably for the survivors] than from a place of resentment. As for Russia, I can see why you would be resentful of them but I don't really understand what grounds they would have to be resentful towards you. And as for the UK and the like, if they are willing to open the doors to millions of middle easterners and Africans, and to determine that it's not PC to criticize that, I don't see what right they have to complain about Polish people coming in as well.

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