Politician shot in Lodz - two assistants to lawmakers from Law and Justice (PiS) party

No, by being a traitor. It's pretty obvious that someone did a nice deal with the authorities - after all, not everyone's children got to star in a movie....

I know it's hard for you to accept, but at the end of the day, your heroes are nothing but the bastard sons of a traitor.

my heroes are dead long time ago!


that is not so and even if it is being son of an traitor doesn't mean traitor himself
and Boni obvious traitor and coward - leading PO figure today !Tusk grandpa ?
fine for PO to swim in shite but shame for PiS to go to the toiled ?

How about your hero Michnik - is he paying you well? I hate laying Algerians!

Kaczynski wasn't even man enough to take on the authorities, no doubt because daddy would be disappointed in him. So - son of a traitor and a coward.


Do I have to remind you that Komrowski was imprisoned, while Jaroslaw Kaczynski wasn't? If we're talking about cowardice, Jarek wins there too.


I'm quite happy to accept money from brave people like Michnik - after all, he was jailed, unlike that coward Kaczynski.

some were jailed same were atoned by jailing ......


testimony :-}

That's not as crazy as it sounds... I mean, now he's not in power he can't send the police on a sting raid and get people to shoot themselves, can he?

what raids ? what people ? those who escaped a noose ?

I seem to recall a couple of years ago when PiS government were getting police to set up stings against opposition members as part of anti-corruption campaign. There was a raid on the flat of a female politician who got shot at some point in the proceedings. Can't remember her name.

Lads relax and share a bit of gruba kreska

Barbara Blida

The suicide/accidental death/murder(?) helped evaporate enough public support for PiS that new elections were called and PO became the governing party.

Thanks.

or shot herself - in the interest of investigation was to get her to testify, who gained, who did it?
well, the normal police operation was used as a propaganda stick ! It's all BS!

I think this was what I was referring to.

well, you make it sound kinda like accusation, I would say peeps ? one namely one person, most likely guilty as hell,

I meant it to. OK, only one person killed themself but, as I recall that wasn't the only police sting at the time against opposition members.

Kaczynski is mouthing off accusations everywhere: "PO killed my brother", "Tusk calling our guys 'Mohair Berets' made everyone hate us!" but he hasn't quite got the idea that setting the police on opposition and coalition members alike doesn't make you popular. trying to scare people with secret files isn't a way to make yourself national heart-throb.

I recall a moment during the Tusk/Kaczynski debates priot to the election when Mr K laughed about how they (PiS govt) had had the police watching samoobrona from when they went into coalition with them. Tusk didn't pick up on it but he could easily have asked why the Kaczynskis were prepared to go into coalition with a party they obviously considered corrupt. Did they so much want to go into power that they were prepared to lie with the dogs and put suspected criminals in charge of Poland's economy and welfare?

His whole comment about the cross being spat on and Tusk loving it is disgusting. We could just as well say that members of the church were getting beaten and he was supporting it. Or he is now using jesus christ to enhance his own image.

well, they had some evidence I suppose !


Well, so what, I fail to see why is important what he is and in what manner, PO should govern and not concentrate on PiS and Kaczynski.

I think they do it on purpose for number of reasons !

Apparently Kaczynski was just spouting off again and trying to use this tragedy for political gain. The killer was a nutjob with a grudge against politicians in general, nothing specific against Kaczynski or PiS.

But what is Kaczynski doing if not concentrating on them? Making wild accusations etc... or is that in the old SB files too?

Perhaps if PiS had governed a bit more instead of running witch hunts against all and sundry they would still be in power? It is a shame that so many intelligent and able politicans who might be able to do something positive are being overshadowed by a bitter, unbalanced hatemonger who can't see he is bringing his own party down.

And a Communist informer to boot - yet again, Kaczynski attacked PO (wrong move) when he could've attacked Communism (not a bad move) instead.

PO must be killing themselves with laughter - every time something happens that could hurt them in the polls, Kaczynski manages to turn it into an epic own goal.

I wonder how lonmg before Mr K decides it was a PO plot either in league with communists/russians/jews OR PO hired him to discredit communists.

I wonder if the guy had shot a PO politician whether Mr K would be suggesting that PO had set it up to gain sympathy and take attention away from him.

yeah but he lost, he is opposition, he lost his brother, apparently he is ridiculing himself, his political career is ending, he is mentally unstable and so on....

My question is, why PO winner, governing party, and so on ....instead of resolving Poland's problems and concentrate on proving Kaczynski BS wrong - concentrate on every word uttered by this obvious nonentity and unimportant figure?

All they long, main stream media live on analyzing Kaczynski: what he did, what he didn't and why, what he said, what he didn't say, and way he is not commenting ? What he will say? What he will do ?

Somebody who would know nothing about Poland could assume that he is a ruler !
I find is a very strange and unnatural ! Don't you ?


I'm sure you are right ! Good to know that somebody is vigilant.

So should all Poles have the right to own gun? Hmm tricky one this isnt it? Wasnt it just another nutter with a gun?

When someone almost every day says something that's so unbelievable, they tend to get media attention - especially when it's the leader of the opposition. The man is a joy for the media - they get to constantly report his latest nonsense and he fills columns.

I dont think its as interesting as our MI6 guy found dead in a bag though :D

That's just going on what he said... Tried to kill Miller as well, but it didn't work out.


But not a legal gun. Maybe the guy could have defended himself if he had a pistol...

exactly !Why bother to comment at all ?Almost everyday for 5 years, I would say it is boring but someone find it very interesting - strange !


word of the nutter ?


exactly! seems that nutters don't care about legality and always are able to got a gun!

Mr C, we just dont have your mentality in Europe...We dont want guns..We like them for clay pigeon shooting or grouse shooting (in season) or a bit of dear hunting (in season)..but on the whole, we dont want them on the streets for any Tom Dick or Harry to have...Its not our way..It is so far removed from your average persons way of thinking you would not believe..Or I feel, you couldnt believe or understand because of your indoctrination, the obsession with gun in America...We just dont feel that way

I'm sure Mr. Rosiak and Mr. Kowalski would have appreciated being armed four days ago.

Czechs apparently have my mentality, but that's for the conversation in another thread...

.. Actually so do a lot of Limeys in the countryside too.. but I digress.

Im sure it wouldnt have made a difference.


Well, Ive never seen shoot outs on any street in the Czech Republic and Ive probably seen more of it than you have, I was there the other week and didnt come across any gun toating Czechs either..

I have to disagree with you there about Poland, there are gun clubs in most major cities that you as a private person could go to, pay your money and shoot all different types of weapons. This does not exist in the same way in the UK, you are extremely gun shy.