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Poles say a big YES to our European Union


NoToForeigners 6 | 987
31 Aug 2017  #211
@delphiandomine
Whats Polish should remain Polish. You came here thinking Poland has to bow before you? LOL. It's not Germany or France. Here you have to adapt or GTFO.

And that's what bothers you. You thought you gonna be some kind of a celebrity or elite simply because you're a foreigner lololololo. Reality check!!! You're fking nobody and if you whine you'll get a beat up wussie. :P
OP jon357 63 | 14,122
31 Aug 2017  #212
Pilsudski's idea was actually Intermarium.

A step towards greater union. In his lifetime, a period torn by war, conflict and the growing threat of nationalism and fascism, people could only have dreamed of our European Union.

He looked firmly to the west.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,626
31 Aug 2017  #213
In his lifetime, a period torn by war, conflict and the growing threat of nationalism and fascism, people could only have dreamed of our European Union.

Indeed, his grand hope was for something similar to Austria-Hungary. The European Union would have been a logical extension of that, not least because it would have allowed all people to live in prosperity and for nations to thrive.
G (undercover)
31 Aug 2017  #214
A step towards greater union.

He looked firmly to the west.

Utter nonsense, as usual. Do you get an errection each time you write a lie ? Pilsudski wanted to set up Intermarium as a defense against both east and west. Shut up and grab some history book. Filthy propagandists.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,626
31 Aug 2017  #215
Pilsudski wanted to set up Intermarium as a defense against both east and west.

As the West was a threat in those times. If the West had been as it is today, Pilsudski would have been first to ally with the West, no doubt recognising the huge advantages that a political, economic and military alliance could offer against the Russian menace.
Ironside 48 | 9,705
31 Aug 2017  #216
would have been a huge supporter

He is long dead and buried. It is exercise in futility as well as pointless to guess what would dead people say.

Yes I am very interested in learning about pilsudzki

He never expressed any idea about Intermarium or anything of the sort. That is all build by wishful thinking of some of his supporters or those who had been impressed with him then and later. It all stem from the fact that he ventured to Kiev with Petlura and his soldiers in support of an independent Ukrainian state.

There some talk about restitution the old Poland borders, or about building a cordon by helping create some states between Poland and Russia. However all that was some loose talk and a general concept created after the events. JP didn't write about it, said next to nothing about it and done nil about it. That is just persistent myth as he is seen by some as this wise victories figure. He wasn't.

Intermarium is an old idea derived from of the Polish Kingdom practise. In those times when Polish kingdom controlled lands between Baltic and Black seas.

Today's Intermarium idea has quite different take and doesn't has much to do with some Slavic unity dream based on wishful thinking and superficial similarities.

It is a solid idea of cooperation between countries of the eastern and central Europe between three seas. Based on a common, shared interests and business opportunities. Supported by the USA.

He would have clearly identified the European Union as a safety net against the two great powers, and the ability to tie up Germany economically

Sure,a great idea. Poland should succumb to the German ideas and became a junior partner. All that fight against III Reich waste of opportunity.

Luckily Poland and three seas concept has support of the USA and protection of NATO.
Germans are not very good at building alliances and coalition and even worse at ruling them as they have proved time after time for the last 200 years. I think they should curb their ambitions and step down.
OP jon357 63 | 14,122
1 Sep 2017  #217
He is long dead and buried.

And still revered in Poland.
mafketis 20 | 7,171
1 Sep 2017  #218
Not everywhere. Where I am he's more tolerated than revered.
OP jon357 63 | 14,122
1 Sep 2017  #219
In Warsaw, he's still loved. Someone (a Poznaniak actually) recently said to me that she thinks Poland needs a Pilsudski now.

He was very much an internationalist, always looking West. If you aren't familiar with his brother (an even more staunch internationalist), he is worth reading about. Very much a Francophile, and pro-German (in the era before the rise of nationalism there) too.
mafketis 20 | 7,171
1 Sep 2017  #220
Someone (a Poznaniak actually) recently said to me that she thinks Poland needs a Pilsudski now.

To turn his back on Wielkopolska again? no thank you. The whole tradition of rogale świętomarcińskie is actually fairly modern and began as a way of celebrating something besides Piłsudski. Wielkopolska remembers.
OP jon357 63 | 14,122
1 Sep 2017  #221
Wielkopolska remembers.

An area with particularly high support for EU membership - it's been good for Poznan. A lot of real changes since accession.
mafketis 20 | 7,171
1 Sep 2017  #222
An area with particularly high support for EU membership

And generally the lowest level of PiS support (and the first to openly rebel against communism in the post WWII iron curtain countries).


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