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Will many Poles migrate to Germany in May 2011 (after opening labor market)?


Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,873
20 Nov 2010 #61
With this it feels like the iron curtain is well and truly down, the separation or distinction between the political "East" and "West" will become more diffused and in my humble opinion this is good for all concerned.

I fully agree! :)
Wroclaw Boy
21 Nov 2010 #62
Do you mean me, Krynski? Yes, I travel a lot. So what would that have to do with the quote you've taken from my post?

Yes i mean you. The point is youre apposed to Poles living and working in other countries although you yourself are Polish and do not work or even live in Poland. In order to preach the issues you do i believe you need to lead from the top, you cant expect somebody else to do something you yourself are not prepared to do.
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
21 Nov 2010 #63
It seems to be better for the Poles to work in Germany than in the increasingly Polonophobic UK

Me thinks that you are over beating the egg just a little. I only partially agree with you, there have been many positive stories as well.
milky 13 | 1,657
21 Nov 2010 #64
Will there be an EU in May 2011 or just "not as we know it"
convex 20 | 3,978
21 Nov 2010 #65
I think it would work without a hitch if the fiscally unsound nations were removed. If you can't manage your finances, suspension along with punitive measures. The labor markets should be opened much slower for the poorer nations than they have been.

May2011, not so big a change...
SzwedwPolsce 11 | 1,595
21 Nov 2010 #66
when its labor market opens for them?

Many Poles already work legally in Germany. All you need is an invitation.

I don't think it will be a big change next year.

By the way, most Polish who go abroad in Europe to work, return to PL sooner or later.
PennBoy 76 | 2,436
28 Apr 2011 #67
Germany, of course, is nearer to Poland than Britain is - it shares a long land border, so migrants can return and spend more easily.

Talking about the numbers of emigrants, Poland's Minister of Labour Jolanta Fedak said on Polish radio: "We are looking at 300,000 to 400,000 people, but over a period of three to four years."

bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13222354
Trevek 26 | 1,702
29 Apr 2011 #68
Poles moving to Germany?

Hmmm, perhaps I should start trying to teach German... "Was machst du in dein freizeit?"

bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13222354
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,873
29 Apr 2011 #69
France get's all the arab north africans and we get the Poles....I like that! :)
grubas 12 | 1,390
29 Apr 2011 #70
and we get the Poles....I like that! :)

Be carefull what you wish for,we still have scores to even.
Mr Grunwald 33 | 2,019
29 Apr 2011 #72
German national football team, sabotage... unhealthy diets... injuries... All done by an magical Polish nurse...
Be carefull! ;)

*No good to win with Poles in football!*
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,873
29 Apr 2011 #73
Be carefull! ;)

My eagle eye will see everything! :)
Nathan 18 | 1,363
29 Apr 2011 #74
By the way, most Polish who go abroad in Europe to work, return to PL sooner or later

In Zn?
Trevek 26 | 1,702
29 Apr 2011 #75
France get's all the arab north africans and we get the Poles....I like that! :)

Funnily enough, I recall a Spanish minister saying something like "We could have X number of Poles or X number of Africans, so we'll take the Poles"

German national football team, sabotage... unhealthy diets... injuries... All done by an magical Polish nurse...
Be carefull! ;)

Yeah, but there was also a Polish boxing world champion and a Polish Eurovision entry...
Nathan 18 | 1,363
29 Apr 2011 #76
Polish boxing world champion

Tyson is from the US.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,873
29 Apr 2011 #77
spiegel.

...
The fear has switched sides: Germans no longer worry about an influx of workers from the east. On the contrary, they are eager to get them. In fact, it is quite possible that Germany won't be able to woo enough of them to satisfy the hunger of German managers for additional labor.
Now it's the turn of Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Hungary to fret that their cleverest minds and best craftsmen may leave for the west....

Didn't I say so! :)
Bartolome 2 | 1,085
29 Apr 2011 #78
I am considering moving to Germany, however I'm going to need to polish off mein Deutsch and finish my degree here in the UK, so it'll be a while.

But only if I'll be able to find a job that corresponds with my education. That's probably the biggest hurdle in finding job here - I don't know much about the local jobs market and how willing would the employers be to employ me. I hear that Germans are more 'rigid' in this regard. Other issue could be acceptance of the (local) society, so I'd most likely live in a big town and keep a low profile (that's the way I'm living here, anyway).
grubas 12 | 1,390
29 Apr 2011 #79
What do you mean with that?

I mean "Never forgive,never forget".
pawian 187 | 17,898
29 Apr 2011 #80
Is it gonna be disastrous for Poland's situation?

No. People who thought of migrating have already done it, to Ireland, Britain, Holland etc.

Language barrier is the main problem - Germans require German speaking immigrants, while most young Poles learnt English at schools or universities.
southern 75 | 7,096
29 Apr 2011 #81
I think the Poles will be better absorbed in Germany than in the UK.There will be no antipolish sentiment in Germany like in the UK.It is also a chance for Germany to get rid of the Turks.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,873
29 Apr 2011 #82
It is also a chance for Germany to get rid of the Turks.

Now that is wishful thinking... ;)
pawian 187 | 17,898
29 Apr 2011 #83
Boy, which immigrants would you prefer: Poles or Turks?
Trevek 26 | 1,702
29 Apr 2011 #84
There will be no antipolish sentiment in Germany like in the UK.

Wanna bet?

It is also a chance for Germany to get rid of the Turks.

Yeah, send 'em all to Serbia.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,873
29 Apr 2011 #85
Boy, which immigrants would you prefer: Poles or Turks?

Europe for Europeans! :)
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
30 Apr 2011 #86
One of the main things that interest me about you BB, is that you live(d?) in East Germany during communism.
You really have many things to educate me on about this period and are very informative about it.
But (always a but) back then, you and Poland were the "enemy".
Youz were gonna come over to us in "West" Europe and be the enemy within.
By infiltration and manipulation turn us free loving people into some kinda commie paradise.
I am building up my question here...;)

What's the difference?
People want better lives, the media and politicians spin it and we (the people) divide.
While the bankers, politicians and some multinationals not only get bailouts (from ******* tax payers no less) and pats on the back for driving their companies into the ground but also get away Scot free.

I say **** Europe for Europeans, I say criminals be put in prison despite race, colour, creed or nationality.

Rant over :)
Nathan 18 | 1,363
30 Apr 2011 #87
Europe for Europeans! :)

Your diplomacy is astounding, BB ;)
boletus 30 | 1,366
30 Apr 2011 #88
Is it gonna be disastrous for Poland's situation?

For those who can read Polish, there is nice satirical article by S. Mizerski, here:
polityka.pl/spoleczenstwo/felietony/1515272,1,z-zycia-sfer.read

I'll try to summarize:
He starts with the dooming prediction that after May the 1st there will be nobody left to finish the projects that were born in such difficulties: the second subway line in Warsaw, the stadiums for the Euro 2012 and the North Bridge - not to mention missing highways.

He then says:
Although the latter are to be build by the Chinese, but seeing what happens, they may also decide to flee. Pessimists anticipate that the only specialists to remain in the country will be the experts in memorials and manufacturers of crosses, candles and torches; that is, the experts in the areas neglected by the West, but which in Poland experience a new Renaissance, and even more - the Middle Ages.

(...)
Then he states that: Opening up of the German market could be a chance for Poles working in the Netherlands. and then explains the Dutch grievances about Poles: they drink, park cars badly, party all night and they do not even speak Dutch.

(...)
But: We must agree that the accusation of the lack of Dutch language skills is particularly biased, because if our countrymen learned the basics of the language then they would began demanding better wages from their Dutch hosts, and consequently the misunderstandings between the two sides would only intensify.

(...)
Some concerns are being raised that by leaving the Netherlands, our compatriots will force the Dutch to do all that murderous work for them, and consequently this would further worsen the current opinion about the Poles: adding the epithet of the loafer to the existing ones of the drunkard and the party animal ignoramus.

(...)
There are suggestions that Poland should retaliate by deciding to expel all unemployed Poles - at least those who drink, party all time, badly park and do not even know any Dutch. The effects of such a step could be devastating for the Netherlands.
Palivec - | 380
30 Apr 2011 #89
Wanna bet?

AFAIK Poles are the best integrated group in Germany, and marriages between Poles and Germans are the most successful intermarriages in Germany. Germany also already hosts the second biggest Polonia in the world, and you never heard of any trouble.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
30 Apr 2011 #90
Europe for Europeans,

Especially for me.


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