WOSP Poland charity - is it value for money?

You do realize that getting a little rowdy and loud appeals to young people more than non-stop praying and rosaries do, don't you? Please tell me you realize that.

He's doing good, if you don't like the exact way he's doing it then fine. You're old. No reason to disrespect his good works.

Good works are respected, but the do-gooder may nevertheless be suspected of ulterior motives. Owsiak and his fmaily are not hurting financially as a resutl of htier charitbale activites, in fact it's jsut the opposite. And is striving for cheap popularity amongst gullible youth really a virtue or just an ego trip? Stalin brought sweets and gifts to orphans in state orphanages. Did that make him a good person?

Stop right there, don't write anything more and ruin it.


Just had to ruin it, didn't you? You must be a lot of fun at parties....

Life is not a party, it's a serious business, so grow up finally!

Notice how Polonius immediately 'suspects' anyone that's involved with activities that the ruling Party has no control over.

Reminds me of one story I read where the SB hauled in some guys that were innocently cleaning the streets during communism. They couldn't stand the fact that the citizens had organised something over which they had no power, so it had to be subversive and suspicious.

Apparently you haven't been in Poland long enough. The same criticism of Owsiak circulated when the ruling party was SLD, AWS, PiS/SO/LPR and PO, so don't be so ahistorical (and hysterical)!

But it was from the usual suspects (the PiS/Radio Maryja axis).

I reckon they are the most vigilant to the post-nomeklatura takeover. You don't expect the nomenklaturised Michnik camp to criticise one of their own, do you? Both were raised in a similar pro-commie atmosphere. Old man Szechter was one of Stalin's willing henchmen; old man Owsiak was a communist militia colonel. Birds of a feather flock together!

I reckon you reckon wrong.

But seeing nomenklatura everywhere is a very good way for covering one's own nomenklatura heritage... Hiding in plain sight as it were.

Either you're with us or with the terrorists.

Let's all meet up at Woodstock on the 14th of July and chillax, see you there.

Be sure to bring a few bricks and a crowbar. Demolishing trains is part of Owsiak's Woodstock heritage.

Amazing to see people attacking a respected charity.

Very sad.

A respected charity does not deprave minors!

Indeed it doesn't. And WOŚP indeed doesn't.

poznan.naszemiasto.pl/artykul/woodstock-2013-jada-na-festiwal-i-demoluja-pociagi-zdjecia,1950774,gal,t,id,tm.html

Important: If you post a link to a non-English source, ALWAYS summarize / translate the relevant parts into English!

kefir2010.wordpress.com/2013/08/01/alkohol-narkotyki-seks-i-przystanek-woodstock/

P.S: Get a native Polish speaker to translate these for you.

No need, Po3 - it's very clearly written in the language I speak all day every day.

And nothing there to suggest that Poland's most popular charity telethon is "depraving" minors in any way.

Just your own hatred and hysteria.

It's like a little kid saying he likes Uncle Dan better than his parents because when he spent the night there once he wasn't told to say his prayer and brush his teeth before going to bed. In fact good ol' unc give him a Snickers to munch on in bed.

That doesn't make much sense. About as much sense as your irrational hatred about very popular and successful fundraising appeals.

The successful fund-raising and the worthwhile causes it serves are not questioned. Volunteering for a noble effdort should be its own reward without creating additional sociopathic climates to deprave minors. Young people think up enough weird and risky things on their own without Owsiak's assistance.

One would hope not.


This phrase makes no sense whatsoever.


Quite. Which is why it's so heartwarming to see so many young (and not so young) people coming together to help raise money for charity under the aegis of something as thoroughly wholesome and respected as WOŚP and incomprehensible that you would criticise a decent charity.

74% of PiS voters think that WOŚP is doing a good job.

wiadomosci.onet.pl/kraj/sondaz-oceny-jurka-owsiaka-i-wosp/3mcq8g

It's nice to see that Polonius is so out of touch that he doesn't even share the same views as the majority of the supporters of PiS.

Where's your few lines of translation for the non English link?

I too believe he is doing a good job in terms of effective fund-raising and saving lives through modern medical equipment. That is not at issue. The problem is that his charitable efforts also serve as a cover for the leftist-libertine agenda he is peddling and brainwashing Poland's young people with.

Your fantasy, Po3. The charity in question is entirely apolitical and any sort of 'brainwashing' is more likely to be found in the seedy religious denomination that sponsors Caritas.

All monies do help for sure but I was shocked when I heard only 44 millions were collected; it makes an average of 1 ZL some groszy per Pole and it is very very little (Poles are on their whole not generous).

I don't pay into it anymore. Anyway, the costs of the events most likely are bigger than what they collect.

@G: true! I am personally against street collecting as I believe that basic needs such as heatlh (education...) should be dealt with by State's funds thanks to taxes but since Poland does not do much, I feel sorry for the sick and give money (I also regularly give to against cancer societies). I don't want to hear that the State cannot afford to help the poor, the sick, the disabled... because it is just a political and societal choice: either to spend money on people so they live better (my choice without doubting a single 1/4 of a 1/2 second) or to spend money on craps most people can do without...

Of course, collecting 44 millions of ZL in a population of 38 millions is nothing to brag about but if some let's say 25 millions ZL can be used and help kids, I am 100% for it.

So, WOSP has again showed the best of Polandand some of the worst of the PiSlamic State. The preliminary result from last night is 62,418,767zl (tvn24.pl/wosp-2017/wstepne-podsumowanie-25-finalu-wosp,707487.html), which is 50% up on last year. This is despite TVP refusing to cover the event, Poczta Polska refusing to issue stamps for it and the Ministry of Defence both refusing to release personnel and organising competing events.

TVP only found 14 seconds to report on the event during what is supposedly its flag-ship news program. Even worse, in a move that would make Stalin-era propagandists proud, TVP even retouched images to remove the WOSP heart. Photos of that are here: wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomosci/7,114883,21250535,tvp-wyretuszowalo-serduszko-wosp-z-kurtki-dziennikarza-twitter.html

People, please. Shouldn't be about doing good? I understand WOŚP could be controversial, but throwing crap at each other is opposite of doing good.

Well. There is a chance that WOŚP will gather about 40% more money than last year. Do you know why? I'll tell you. Thanks to our new government people actually have money for donation. In the Platforma Obywatelska times every year WOŚP was gathering just 4% more than the year before.

Thank God Platfuses are gone.