The wave of designer-drug poisoning (dopalacze) in Poland

That's the last thing Poland needs. The FDA is under the control of the pharmaceuticals. They rarely get a job done properly, and they definitely do NOT protect the consumer.

There are organizations that take care of that in Poland, just not FDA style.

I don't know if you know how the FDA works, but new (and sometimes badly needed) drugs take years longer to get approval in the US in comparison to Europe. That is exactly why the pharmaceutical industry is years ahead in Europe.

And the designer-drug industry as well!
Anyway, heap on the excuses, defend the poisoners, oppose any restrictions so more and more young Poles can be exposed to the threat, toxified and even killed. The main thing is for the producers and dealers to rake in as many illicit gains as possible.

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

I live in the US and I see every day that the FDA doesn't do its job. They've been approving drugs for decades, even though they often knew well in advance that these were harmful. Trasylol is just one of many examples (cbsnews.com/news/one-thousand-lives-a-month/).

Here's an older article from 2006 that shows some of the screw-ups of the FDA:
cspinet.org/new/200606271.html

There was also Tylenol and probably others. On the other hand, what government or state office or agency do their job to perfection with no much-ups?. That additonal filter would be very useful in Poland.


It's a question of priorities and the safety and wellbeing of the nation's youth always shoudl take precedence of the profits of greedy mega-corporations or shady drug dealers.

I don't see anything wrong with dopalacze. Nothing new, and nothing bad.

I have nothing against a federal oversight in this case, but it needs to be neutral and not controlled by big pharma.

Of course, it should control, supervise and ovesee big pharma, perhaps not only the products they plan to market but also in an anti-monopoly capacity.

I would add control over pricing. As far as I know, the US is the only developed country that allows big pharma to charge ridiculously high prices for drugs instead of putting a cap on the price if in the public interest. It's a national disgrace in my eyes that a company is allowed to charge $1125,- per pill for a drug that can cure Hepatitis C for example. Poland needs to avoid something like this under all circumstances.

foxnews.com/health/2014/10/11/fda-approves-hepatitis-c-drug-that-costs-1125-per-pill/

As always jon is the true society-wrecking "progressive" who sees nothing wrong with any pathology -- including designer drugs. He'd probably love to have the age of consent lowered which is already ridiculously low (15) and maybe drinking age which is also too low at 18 (it should be 21). Well, his beloved EU think designer drugs are a plague that needs ot be dealt with, although they are still in the "molecule-changing chemists" mode which leads nowhere. The law mist have teeth in it: no strange or mysterious substances can be marketed. They must be clearly described and their purpose plainly stated and a certificate from a state-approved lab showing they may be marketed. Nothing more, nothing less. Otherwise it'll me just a cat & mouse game -- add this molecule, subtract that one, change the name, provide new packaging, etc.etc. and the problem will remain insoluble. And that's precisely what jon wants -- keep society in a state of anarchy and chaos because that takes some of the heat off the preverts.

So essentially, there will be a monopoly as the big pharmaceutical companies will dominate the market due to only them having the resources to pay for constant testing. The small guy who produces supplements will go out of business because there's no way that they can afford constant testing fees when considering new products.

Tell us Polonius, why are you so intent on big foreign pharmaceutical companies dominating Poland?

The difficulty of regulating these substances is a huge legislative problem - not only in Poland, but in the world. The UK has gone towards trying to ban drugs that have a "psychoactive" response - but the problem with this approach is that theoretically, even things such as petrol and diesel fumes can have such an effect.

What you propose is unbelievably totalitarian. It means that anyone producing any sort of food supplement would have to go through a testing process - which would be totally unworkable in practice. It might sound good to the average PiS voter, but anyone with a brain can imagine the utter carnage involved with a blanket test rule.

To give you an idea Polonius - some shops in the UK have been selling "plant food". Would you also require every legitimate producer of plant food to be tested?

I'm not, I am against anything that depraves young people including drugs, liberal alcohol sales to 18-year-olds, porn, and commercial pop culture brainwashing them into unethical, immoral, "anything-goes" (whatever rocks your boat!), mindless, hedonistic lifestyles.


You obviously can. Are you being paid to spew this pro-dopalacze propaganda? Any more openings? Where do I sign up! (ha-ha!)


If it's a cover for psychoactive substances then it should be banned.


If it's a cover for psychoactive substances then it should be banned. Even if some legitimate producers of plant food are hurt, the plant-food industry is not one that will affect Poland's GDP. You seem overly concerned about colateral inconvenience to shady business types rather than the direct damage to gullible young people brainwashed into believng that colourfully packaged poison is somehow "cool". No-one's business success or failure is more important that the wellbeing of the nation's future -- its young people.

So in other words, you want to close down legitimate businesses just to achieve a political goal? That's very totalitarian - thankfully, the Polish constitution prevents such actions.


No, I'm thinking directly about how difficult it is to actually achieve what you want without hurting legitimate businesses. The fact that you're willing to destroy small and medium sized businesses says a lot about your real political feelings.


Quite honestly, those that are stupid enough to take such drugs are highly unlikely to contribute to the future of the nation anyway.

How many legitmiate businesses produce pseudo-plant food, pseudo-incense and other designer toxins? If they were all put out of business, the GDP would not budge a bit.

The future of the nation's youth is not a poltical goal. It is the concern of every decent citizen. The greedy bastards who will destroy everyone and everything for their ill-gotten profita can be f*cked!.

BTW are you getting paid for your lobbying?

We're not talking about pseudo-producers, we're talking about actual producers. You said above that if they got closed down, it wouldn't matter, even though they're entirely legitimate businesses. I know you're a chip off the old block, but we've moved on from the days of legitimate businesses being destroyed because of political aims.


We're not talking about those ones - we're talking about the legitimate businesses that you would burden with huge costs while supporting the big pharmaceutical companies.


Lobbying on behalf of who? I'm entirely in agreement with you that something should be done. I just don't believe the right way is to destroy many legitimate businesses.

For what it's worth, prohibition rarely works. Producers can just move to another country and sell via the internet. In places such as Ukraine with such huge corruption, it would be trivial to gain approval for pseudo-pharmaceutical drugs there and to sell them online. Customs cannot open every parcel - the days of widespread mail opening has long gone.

The best and easiest way to deal with the shops at least is to get them under existing health regulations. But have you considered that the shops themselves are a sort of "useful idiot" type of business? Keep an eye on their clientele and they'll lead you to more interesting things, etc etc?

How many legitimate plant-food and incense producers are there in Poland? It's an inconsequential drop in the ocean. If you regard making Poand safe from the toxins of chemical quacks a poltical goal, then I'm all for it considering the alternative. Even one Pole hospitalised or dead is one too many!

I met some ppl from a bus company at a party. A few of the young guys who were drivers were taking designer drugs or in this case synthetic pot. They said it was because they get tested for pot so they can't have it. It was safer the other way.