Wal-Mart coming to Poland?

LOL!!
well, after a date at McDonald's, all you need to do is get your engagement ring at walmart, and you're happy as a gopher in soft mud... or whatever the polish equivalent of a gopher in soft mud would be


somehow I don't think that the survival of the free market economy in the western world would depend on a walmart stores being opened in Poland. if they can still stop them from coming in, they should try doing it. as someone pointed out, they already have big discount chains already.

After all it's an ethnic restaurant in Poland :)

The free market what a joke, so Mr Woizniaki and his little all in one shop is going to be able to complete with a company that has an annual turn over probably larger than Romania's GDP.


Customers will shop where the prices are cheapest, period.

Oh. So you want the free market freedoms you enjoy for yourself but would deny it to Poles. :s


Right. Free market = good

Yeah,all these minimum wage jobs.Meanwhile all the profit is being transferred out of Poland.Not to mention that they don't pay any taxes in Poland.How the **** can Poles compete?******* "polish" government crooks opened the market for foraigners when we did not have enough capital to compete with them.Anyway, when in Poland I only buy at Polish stores and only Polish goods and everyone calling him/herself Polish should do the same.

Its the accumulative effect. In a word - monopolization, which in turn = long term inferior products in Wal-Marts case food, the very thing we need to sustain our lives.


I dont believe so.

It's not a monop if others are free to compete against them.


Well, I don't see this as so much of a concern. Much of WM's food is local/ regional (which will benefit Polish farmers) because they can't very well ship milk and bread and meat from China.

Maybe you should read Plastic Pole's posts testaments in this thread and see that a WM coming to an area oftentimes isn't the end of the world and actually helps the area as a whole.

That's true I'd doubt they'll pay more Wal-Mart pays almost nothing in the States so Poland wont get no better treatment. They should at least pay taxes, I mean there are tons of hypermarkets in Poland already it's not like Wal-Mart is bringing anything new to the country and should get a tax break.

Iam glad it is rumour because Wal- Mart has really bad when it comes to clothing.

Even crappy jobs are better than no jobs.


I'm sure they will pay and generate taxes on a number of levels...

Also the big stores market in Poland seems to me to be already more saturated than the American one .Last time I've been there, wherever I looked there was a supermarket or a bank.

pretty brainwashed by the American propaganda- congratulation, your brain is a mash;)


true.

some chains moved in and out of Poland over the years. Must be the tax exemption those chains are taking advantage off. After running the business for a couple of years, they move out. Now I am wondering if that is the case at all, but that it how it used to be 8 years ago.

I've met a girl in Borki (near Radzyn Podlaski) and she was working at one of these little skleps for 400 PLN a month and when I asked her if this is a part time job, she said no, I actually have to work more than 40 hours a week and I don't get paid overtime either. I know it's not allover Poland like that but working at Walmart can be only better than that, right?

Its not but they would prefer if it was, dont Wal-Mart have a majority market share in the US? In any case the big boys are all competing against each other in developed countries. Wal-Mart as Tescos and all the others do knock out most small businesses within a 10 mile radius. This is the market share theyre after. OK they sell many brand products at discount prices, but lets take fresh produce, meat, Fruit and veg the levels of quality especially in the meat sector are shocking. This is monopolization. When all the small local guys ahve gone and theires only a choice of poor vs even poorer then what will we do. Thats where its heading.


It may help some areas in the short term for business goals but lets not get confused with the big picture here.


Until they start pulling their pants down once the farmers have no choice. In the US you have what four large beef production companies which account for 95% of the beef sold in the US, sounds like a monopoly to me.

we will see. Just because the company in non -Polish does not mean that they will not find a loop in order to avoid underpaying their employees.

400 PLN was few years ago and I am sure she is making much more at the moment.

Only way to work there and not be struggling is to work overtime or two shifts all the time. That basically means you have no social life, and live in the store. If the government doesn't do anything only keeps selling-privatizing Polish companies to foreign buyers it should at least help young Polish entrepreneurs to start their own companies. I know there are tons of educated people who just need a boost.

Exactly my friend.None of them should get any tax breaks,it is not like they bring some new technologies or something.Poles are capable of building and running a grocery stores but how they could compete with established businesses which get tax breaks on top of that when Poles started with no capital base. ******* "polish" gov crooks,makes me so angry.

So you're disputing this:
Seriously? I suspect unemployed poor Polish folks might disagree with your brainwashed propaganda.

I am not disputing this. Having a crappy job is not a good option. Period.


I wouldn't know. All I know is that I have an opinion and the last time I checked- PF is a discussion forum.

I doubt it, not in that area and if then it's not that much more for sure. It was in 2006.

many things have changed in Poland, including wages during the last 5 years. Fact.

I'm not saying there might not be some adjustment period, maybe even it will hurt some people. But I am saying that it won't be as bad as some of the fear mongers make 'big bad mean Wal Mart' out to be. In the end they're just another company that has to compete or peeps will walk with their feet and take their dollars elsewhere. I think PP's testimony here is the best in this thread on this matter as she has seen first hand what WM did for her town. Big picture.

When I lived in Mikolajki in 2007, their wages there, were a little bit higher (around 800PLN), I'm gonna ask them how much they're making right now.

It's like Dell when it moved it's main European factory from Ireland to Poland. The Polish government gave them the land for free, it even paid for building the factories and doesn't have to pax any taxes!!! all they do is/will employ 2,000 Poles and pay them little more than minimum wage. Meanwhile, they're selling their computers to the whole European if not world market making billions. F'in thieves! Poland needs that tax money.

Bollocks.I used to work at Jumbo supermarket in £ódź in 1999.And I think my net salary was like 850 PLN a month but I only worked there 1 month because after my first payday I went to the doctor who for 50 PLN gave me nice 30 days zwolnienie and for the next 6 months I was getting 80% of the pay whithout having to work.

Another big picture from a small town: there is a strip mall in my town with Walmart, and Sam's Club and a lot of vacancies. Over the 10 years I've been living there in the same mall quite a few stores went out of business. Linens and Things, Pet Smart, Dollar Store, Circuit City to name a few. If even the mid size specialized chains can't keep up the competition, then nobody can. At some point you will just have Walmarts all over America. There will be no other place to take your money.

Actually Dell already sold the factory to Chinese Foxconn.I wouldn't blame Dell though because I am sure some Polish crook got a nice money under the table.

Money and a profit agenda is the problem here.


You did the right thing, look after number one, money was the problem here.

Surprise, surprise another money problem.

When will we stop living in an old fashioned monetary system, this will get worse a lot worse.

Ive come to despise it in every way, shape or form.

Am I talking about Lodz? No, I'm talking about Borki (between Lublin and Siedlce). I think, it's a huge difference. Why are you so defensive Grubas anytime someone says something you don't like to hear?

Tell me, why the hell would I lie about anything I say about Poland? I even have Polish friends so why would I ever say something to make you guys look stupid or bad? Remember, no one and nothing is perfect, no matter where it is.

OMG they should be banned from Europe.