But, that doesn't answer the question of whether
Anybody's guess, however it is unlikely to be worse than what they have now.
Poland vis a vis the US and Iran - part 2
Anybody's guess, however it is unlikely to be worse than what they have now.
@Przelotnyptak1
You are manufacturing presumptions to fit into your argument.
How do you know :
I think I know what you'll offer as proof-but we'll see if you go the simplistic non-contextual route.
I don't support the bad guys. I only support the end to the genocide.
BTW, Ptak, what are your thoughts on the National Defense Authorization Act before Congress that has a section that integrates US and Israeli militaries?
YeH, but it needs to get much better. That's why just getting rid of Bibi may not solve the problem
You are manufacturing presumptions to fit into your argument.
How do you know :
Palestinians are strong Hamas supporters
I think I know what you'll offer as proof-but we'll see if you go the simplistic non-contextual route.
I don't support the bad guys. I only support the end to the genocide.
BTW, Ptak, what are your thoughts on the National Defense Authorization Act before Congress that has a section that integrates US and Israeli militaries?
however it is unlikely to be worse than what they have now.
YeH, but it needs to get much better. That's why just getting rid of Bibi may not solve the problem
That's why just getting rid of Bibi may not solve the problem
It wouldn't get better unless it was done electorally.
Possible though tricky
We've been told that for decades.
...and for decades, the Israelis and we heard those relatively easy-to-decode slogans:
Death to Jews, Death to Israel, US is Satan, Death to America, From the river to the sea...Did I miss any?
I only support the end to the genocide.
You mean killing off Israelis? Those slogans above sure look like a battle cry to finish Hitler's program.
Memo to Israel haters:
I wouldn't try to pi** her off...
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.@Novichok
If I go too fast, let me know and I'll slow down.
Yes, the slogans you listed have been uttered by PLO and Hamas.
As an aside: Israeli slogans also mentioned the "from the River to Sea only Israeli Sovereignty."
The PLO and Hamas have not pursued a true peaceful existence with Israel-some argue neither has Israel (I think they dis at one point).
However, just on the face value of these slogans and maintaining a belligerent relationship does not amount to justification for genocide. Even
considering 10/7 (an evil act that did justify a response against Hamas).
Furthermore, if polling and testimony of Israelis who have had close interaction with Gazan Palis is an indication-many, if not most, Palis are not hostile toward Israel.
What you, Ptak, Joker, et al who use the argument that Palis want to drive Israelis out never seem to account for is that there are Israelis who want to drive the Palis into the sea.
In other words, Israel is not an innocent bystander, but a provoker of discord as well.
Israelis are not suffering a genocide right now, the Palis are.
Do you have any issues with the stated goals of this operation as voices by Smotrich and ben Gvir?
Have you heard the testimonies of guys like former Green Beret Tony Aguilar or the Oxford Surgeon Dr. Nick Maynard?
To change subject a bit: what exactly does America get from Israel in return for our support? And, I'm not talking about the negatives-like depletion of high cost munitions, loss of American lives, and loss of assets in the form of foreign aid-but the positives. What are the positives we get?
Changing the subject even more: do you support the section in the Defense Bill in front of Congress right now that will integrate US and Israeli militaries?
Whew...I had a lot to say. 😆
If I go too fast, let me know and I'll slow down.
Yes, the slogans you listed have been uttered by PLO and Hamas.
As an aside: Israeli slogans also mentioned the "from the River to Sea only Israeli Sovereignty."
The PLO and Hamas have not pursued a true peaceful existence with Israel-some argue neither has Israel (I think they dis at one point).
However, just on the face value of these slogans and maintaining a belligerent relationship does not amount to justification for genocide. Even
considering 10/7 (an evil act that did justify a response against Hamas).
Furthermore, if polling and testimony of Israelis who have had close interaction with Gazan Palis is an indication-many, if not most, Palis are not hostile toward Israel.
What you, Ptak, Joker, et al who use the argument that Palis want to drive Israelis out never seem to account for is that there are Israelis who want to drive the Palis into the sea.
In other words, Israel is not an innocent bystander, but a provoker of discord as well.
You mean killing off Israelis
Israelis are not suffering a genocide right now, the Palis are.
Do you have any issues with the stated goals of this operation as voices by Smotrich and ben Gvir?
Have you heard the testimonies of guys like former Green Beret Tony Aguilar or the Oxford Surgeon Dr. Nick Maynard?
To change subject a bit: what exactly does America get from Israel in return for our support? And, I'm not talking about the negatives-like depletion of high cost munitions, loss of American lives, and loss of assets in the form of foreign aid-but the positives. What are the positives we get?
Changing the subject even more: do you support the section in the Defense Bill in front of Congress right now that will integrate US and Israeli militaries?
Whew...I had a lot to say. 😆
What are the positives we get?
Simple.
Israel serves as a handy pretext, if not a direct reason, for the US to flex its muscle and show the world, including China and Russia, that we can do whatever the fvck we want, with or without the treacherous Euros. We can also test our military hardware. Bombing the hell out of Iran sure beats killing snakes in Nevada.
This sets the world's pecking order. And I love it...US - number one, and the rest of the world...GFY. I think I gained 10 inches on my chest lately.
BTW, I know you are religious, and you want to be fair to other humans. I am none of that.
My kill ratio is like 10,000 to one when Americans are at risk. For Israel, it's 1000 to 1. Using these numbers, Israel is, in my opinion, justified in killing 1 million Gazans for the loss of about 1000 unarmed Israelis - many women and children - on 10/7.
Any other ratio is unacceptable considering how small Israel is,
Rufus
8 Jul 2026 #97
show the world
Americans voted for Trump to show the world they can bomb other countries? Don't they have anything to fix in their own country?
Memo to Israel haters: I wouldn't try to pi** her off..
Beautiful recruiting model.
Or is she a model? Look at those eyes...they're dead. She's done sh!t that has killed her soul. Freaking sad. She's going to need therapy.
As the father of two beautiful girls (20 and 9), the picture pi$$es me off...it's haunting...I want to protect her from the commanders who sent her to do things that deadened her eyes.
Thanks for ruining my night, Novi.
Don't take this personally but that sounds like an adolescent who just had his first wet dream. It's immature, not real, and produces nothing but a mess. Again, nothing personal.
China sees this as a show of America's limitations. We have accomplished absolutely nothing positive, but we have created a potentially perilous economic situation, we have expended a lot of munitions that will take up to 3-4 years to replace, and that we are unwilling to commit ground troops (thank God).
Xi, while meeting with Trump, used the term "Thucydides Trap". The hair on my next stood up. Xi sees China as ascending and America declining. This reckless war will only embolden China to challenge America, because Xi sees America as acting irresponsibly and a danger to the global (and most importantly China's ) economy. Xi will now think it isnimeprative to have a responsible adult in charge and America has proven it isn't a responsible adult
you want to be fair to other humans. I am none of that.
And this why your viewpoint and approach must be defeated...for the good of humanity. Again, nothing personal.
Przelotnyptak1 1 | 1132
9 Jul 2026 #99
Furthermore, if polling and testimony of Israelis who have had close interaction with Gazan Palis..
Oh really, what polling are you suggesting? Imaginary?
Firstly, Israelis left Gaza voluntarily, were not driven out
there are Israelis who want to drive the Palis into the sea.
And to show them how mean there were, they left voluntarily, leave behind acres of fully functioning greenhouses which were destroyed, in order to make pipe bombs, to kill Israelis. Can you imagine people more compassionate than inhabitants of Gaza?
Don't they have anything to fix in their own country?
I suggest one step forward, fixing your thinking apparatus.
we have expended a lot of munitions that will take up to 3-4 years to..
Are you sure it is not 30 or 40years of forever? and according to your leftfard sources Iran stockpile is almost intact, well they won the war.
We have accomplished absolutely nothing positive
Well, let me think the mountain where Iranians were producing nuclear weapons now pile of granite, buried with all the material, centrifuges probably numerous scientists should count for something, I know you don't like it, but the facts are a stubborn thing
@Przelotnyptak1
Dude, what in thee hell are you rambling on about?
Make better sense.
Dude, what in thee hell are you rambling on about?
Make better sense.
and according to your leftfard sources Iran stockpile is almost intact, well they won the..
I know sarcasm when I see it...
Memo to "Iran won" guys: Iran saw a guillotine when our Navy choked off the flow of their oil and cash. They also know that we can do it any time we want, and that there nothing anyone can do to prevent it.
Add to this the way the US kidnapped - sorry, I meant arrested - that Venezuelan POS from a place that was guarded by hundreds of Cubans, and it's obvious who is the big gorilla here.
Israel did something just like it in Entebbe. A country that can pull this stunt off is worth our admiration, not idiotic comments about "genocide". And let's not forget Munich 1972. No trials, no appeals...boom...dead...Did I say I love Mossad?
Even Putin got the message and a quick lesson from the US and Trump: Go for the head first.
Make better sense.
Let me bottom-line it for you:
The US said to Iran: No way are we gonna let you freaks have nukes. Period.
Why did we say it?
Two reasons: Because we can, and because we don't like azzholes who like holding Americans for over a year as hostages. And those 241 dead Marines in Lebanon...
That's why 100 of your leaders are now getting BJs from 7200 virgins somewhere up there...
No, I am not a very nice person...
From the Telegraph:
Iran's regime is now stronger than before Trump's war
I agree. The more we destroy and kill, the stronger the ayatollahs and the country. They got extra strong when we wiped out their Navy, radar, and uranium-enriching places.
If we continue like this, Iran will have nukes by Christmas.
Also, the less they earn when we block, the richer they get. I am not sure how, but that is what the enemies of the United States in Europe believe and say.
BTW, PF Brits, whose side is the Telegraph on...Iran's or the guys who keep the UK safe? Before you say something really stupid, let me remind you that if there was a war between your country and the NYPD, you would lose. Again...
Iran's regime is now stronger than before Trump's war
I agree. The more we destroy and kill, the stronger the ayatollahs and the country. They got extra strong when we wiped out their Navy, radar, and uranium-enriching places.
If we continue like this, Iran will have nukes by Christmas.
Also, the less they earn when we block, the richer they get. I am not sure how, but that is what the enemies of the United States in Europe believe and say.
BTW, PF Brits, whose side is the Telegraph on...Iran's or the guys who keep the UK safe? Before you say something really stupid, let me remind you that if there was a war between your country and the NYPD, you would lose. Again...
About those genocidal Israelis...Quoting:
An estimated 5,000 to 7,000 Arab citizens of Israel volunteer to serve in the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) alongside those who are drafted.
And:
There are currently 10 Arab lawmakers out of 120 members serving in Israel's 25th Knesset.
How many Israelis were in the government of Gaza on 10/6, 2023?
A friendly reminder...I never lost an argument and never will.
An estimated 5,000 to 7,000 Arab citizens of Israel volunteer to serve in the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) alongside those who are drafted.
And:
There are currently 10 Arab lawmakers out of 120 members serving in Israel's 25th Knesset.
How many Israelis were in the government of Gaza on 10/6, 2023?
A friendly reminder...I never lost an argument and never will.
A friendly reminder...I never lost an argument and never will
Despite this, you regularly drop out of the tournament...for months at a time.
I never lost an argument and never will
Nobody argues here except you.
And you always lose.
No way are we gonna let you freaks have nukes. Period.
Riiiiiiiiiiight.....and, next you'll tell is that we went to war in Iraq over WMDs. Hahahahaha! You gullible old codger.
Iran's regime is now stronger than before Trump's war
It is. The regime is still in place-even after killing a good number of its top people. Iran's regime has proven to itself that even when directly attacked it can maintain itself...against both foreign and domestic adversaries. Also, dropping bombs has a funny way of coalescing public support for a country's leadership.
It has demonstrated it has real muscular power by controlling the Strait. Trump admitted so much when he said the MOU was essential to prevent a global economic calamity.
How many Israelis were in the government of Gaza on 10/6, 2023?
You think this is a clever question? Seriously?
It shows you lack context in your thinking. It's why you are so often wrong.
To answer this unwise question we must first understand why there is a Pali government in Gaza in the first place.
A quick history lesson to provide context to your question:
Before Israel was made a nation the area that would become Israel was overwhelmingly populated by Arabs-we call these Arabs Palestinians.
As soon as Israel was declared a nation...boom!...war broke out between Israel and 5 (?) Arab nations. When the war ended and dust settled in 1949, Egypt was given control of the Gaza Strip. Consequently, 700,000 Palis either left and were expelled from Israel to the Gaza Strip. Leaving the Gaza strip being mostly populated by arabs without any Jews living in the strip.
Then, in '67 excrement hits the fan and Israel and Egypt go at it and Israel seizes control of Gaza. Aoon after Jews trickled into Gaza reaching a population of less than 10,000.
Then the 90's Oslo Accords are put into full effect in 2005 with Israel withdrawing from Gaza including most, if not all, Jews who lived there.
So, as you see, your question is a meaningless non-starter.
They got extra strong when we wiped out their Navy, radar, and uranium-enriching places.
This is laughable.
Their navy was meaningless-more of anshow pony than an actual military asset-everyone except Polish immigrants to America over 60 know this.
If we wiped out their uranium-enriching facilities (meaning the bombing last summer, I suppose), why did we start this war a few months ago?
Quoting:
Footage showing the complete destruction inside the late Ayatollah Ali Khamenei's compound following a deadly US-Israel airstrike has been released for the first time by the Iranian regime.
The compound was blown to pieces on February 28 at the start of the joint operation against Tehran, with 86-year-old Khamenei being killed in the blast.
Good. This is what we do to the azzholes who say "Death to America!" one time too many.
Because we didn't receive the "We Surrender!!!" letter...
Doesn't anyone there speak English?
See you in Random.
Footage showing the complete destruction inside the late Ayatollah Ali Khamenei's compound following a deadly US-Israel airstrike has been released for the first time by the Iranian regime.
The compound was blown to pieces on February 28 at the start of the joint operation against Tehran, with 86-year-old Khamenei being killed in the blast.
Good. This is what we do to the azzholes who say "Death to America!" one time too many.
why did we start this war a few months ago?
Because we didn't receive the "We Surrender!!!" letter...
Doesn't anyone there speak English?
Nobody argues here except you.
See you in Random.
The compound was blown to pieces on February 28 at the start of the joint..
Good. This is what we do to the azzholes who say "Death to America!" one..
Your way of thinking about these things reminds me of the Viet Nam Body Count. Remember that? The armed forces were saying: hey look, we're killing 200 of them to every 1 American lost! We're winning!!!
It's weird, Novi.
This Iran thing is starting to feel a bit Suez Canalish.
Ron2
9 Jul 2026 #111
"Death to America!"
42 million Americans on food stamps and 26 million Americans with no health insurance have to say "Death to Americans" every day, while their own government has done nothing to help them for more than two years under Trump.
It's weird, Novi.
Vietnam was winnable in a week. Two small nukes on Hanoi and Haiphong, and it's over. It worked in Japland.
After an ultimatum and a warning, of course, so that they could evacuate both cities to prevent even one death. That would be awful...
See how simple life can be when you don't use a piece of rope to tie your hands behind your back before you go to war?
This Iran thing is starting to feel a bit Suez Canalish.
It feels fine to me. The message is: Don't fvck with the US. You may not wake up.
Ron2
9 Jul 2026 #113
Don't fvck with the US.
Brussels / EU did and won 4:1. A paper tiger with no clothes.
See how simple life can be
Oh, it is simple, when you are amoral.
Look at George Soros: dude has made a killing (pun intended) being amoral in his business dealings. Insider trading in France: yeah, others in the French market get screwed, but George made out...and that's all that matters...to George. Tank the English pound: yeah, effs England and its ancillaries, but look at the windfall into Soros pocket...screw everyone else.
What an animalistic approach to life. Like tribea of feral animals roaming the terra.
No thank you!
Right now, Washington's war escalation seems just like a losing gambler constantly borrowing more money.
The people of both countries deserve better than this.
The people of both countries deserve better than this.
Like a gambling addict, once you start a war like this it's hard to get out. There's too much value at stake, you can't just withdrawal cold turkey.
This is why starting any war should only be the very last resort and the danger being confronted must be immediate and real...not theoretical and a possibility in the future. And...it should not be as a proxy for another country.
This is why starting any war should only be the very last resort and the danger being confronted must be immediate and real...not theoretical and a possibility in the future. And...it should not be as a proxy for another country.
Right now, Washington's war escalation seems
"Seems"? Not sure?
The people of both countries deserve better than this.
When the US was finishing off Germany, were there "both countries"? Were the Brits as deliciously open-minded and neutral then?
Or did you help incinerate the civilians in Dresden?
Oh, it is simple when you are amoral.
When dealing with the scum that can bring us another 9/11 - this time a nuclear variety - nothing is "amoral".
This includes dropping a bunker buster on the house where the chief "Death to America" a-hole sleeps with his wife next to him and his lovely children in the bedroom next to his.
I celebrate such events and the message to the world: We can kill anybody we don't like.
BTW, previous US presidents used to do this, too, so let's go easy on Trump.
Like a gambling addict, once you start a war like this it's hard to get..
Only when we are stupid enough to try to win "the minds and hearts" of the people who hate us. Aka "nation building"...an idiocy that only pussified eunuchs could possibly invent.
Remember and never forget this simple rule: Hate is cheaper than love. For example, Poland hates the hordes and keeps the hordes away. Poland spends nothing on the hordes.
We love the illegal hordes and spend about 150 billion a year on them. Did I make my point?
OK, you don't like "hate". How about indifference? I don't give a damn how many Iranians will die before we are done...and done we will be when it's convenient...
Did you know that we foolishly allowed 700,000 of them into the US? Why? What's the upside?
Did I make my point?
If your point is you prefer a world of amoral tribes of feral animals, then, yes, you've made your point.
You know that one of the major causes of mass migration is war?
If your point is you prefer a world of amoral tribes of feral animals,
I don't prefer. It already is.
Go to Europe and count the crosses on the graves of the Americans who were sent there to die.
We spent trillions to develop things to prevent that today. Let's use them.
I will always reject the claim that the US and its enemies are "both sides". There are no "both sides".
There are Americans, misinformed idiots in Europe, and the fanatics best made into corpses. See Muslims chanting "Death to...".