Bratwurst Boy 10 | 13082
8 Jul 2026 #61
I don't think that's fair. Arab Israelis can vote and hold office.
Agreed!
There is no other country down there which offers Jews the same rights...
Poland vis a vis the US and Iran - part 2
Agreed!
There is no other country down there which offers Jews the same rights...
Ron2
8 Jul 2026 #62
Me: How about the evidence?
What more evidence do you need besides the fact that two Israelis (Kushner and Witkoff) are the main US negotiators? Makes me wonder that seemingly intelligent people know nothing about what's really going on.
Bibi and Likud's challenger
A big part of it all is his need for coalition support from Shas.
Bibi is a war criminal; he should be snatched and taken to the ICC along with a few of his cronies.
There is no other country down there which offers Jews the same rights...
That's not true. Although there are only small numbers of Jews in Arab countries or IrN, I'm not aware of any Jewish citizen being denied right to vote.
I know Moroccan Jews can vote in elections, same in Iran.
Just because Arab Israelis can vote and hold office, they are a minority. Regardless, it doesn't negate the fact that the Israeli government has
1. systematically and forcibly taken property and land from Arabs,
2. deny Arabs in West Bank from voting in Israeli elections (even though much of WB is controlled in one way or another by Israel),
3. Committing genocide in Gaza
4. its destruction of southern Lebanon (which Israel plans to control)....etc.
A big part of it all is his need for coalition support from Shas.
But, that doesn't answer the question of whether or not a succeeding Israeli gov won't pursue the same expansionist goals as Bibi and Likud.
Bratwurst Boy 10 | 13082
8 Jul 2026 #65
Just because Arab Israelis can vote and hold office, they are a minority.
....whats the alternative?
A country where the Jews are the minority?
When did that ever end well for them....
For non-muslims a muslim majority isn't a a promising future, it just isn't, and not only for Jews!
Przelotnyptak1 1 | 1132
8 Jul 2026 #66
Its only a democracy in the same way that apartheid South Africa was a democracy
Another idiotic statement, without a solution Barney firmly believes, that the fallacy repadded one more time will suddenly become the truth. Limited Barny
What do you do with roughly ten million of Israelis who dream of being left along. Disarm them, let the peace-loving Iranians deal with the problem,
the solution would be swift and much more efficient, then Hitlers. Is that your dream your filthy antisemite?
@Bratwurst Boy
I don't understand your point.
I'm not saying Arabs should or shouldn't be a minority. What I'm saying is although Arab Israeli citizens can vote and hold office, their voice is small and may have very little effect. Not saying that's good or bad. Just saying it doesn't mean Arabs are not discriminated against in Israel.
I'm also saying that Arabs in the West Bank aren't considered Israeli citizens therefore they cannot vote in Israeli elections, although the West Bank in controlled by Israel, therefore those WB arabs have no representation in the Israel gov-the gov that makes decisions that affect their lives.
I'm also saying Israel is undeniably committing genocide in Gaza. You should hear American and English humanitarian workers accounts of what is happening inside Gaza. It's beyond vile...it's evil. And, 10/7 is no justification for it.
Zionists and ultra-orthodox (which does NOT include all Jews-Jewish people are diverse) majorities is proving to not be a promising future for Christians and Muslims either.
This isn't about whether Israel should exist-it should. This is about Israel's government actions, which are despicably inhumane and evil.
I don't understand your point.
I'm not saying Arabs should or shouldn't be a minority. What I'm saying is although Arab Israeli citizens can vote and hold office, their voice is small and may have very little effect. Not saying that's good or bad. Just saying it doesn't mean Arabs are not discriminated against in Israel.
I'm also saying that Arabs in the West Bank aren't considered Israeli citizens therefore they cannot vote in Israeli elections, although the West Bank in controlled by Israel, therefore those WB arabs have no representation in the Israel gov-the gov that makes decisions that affect their lives.
I'm also saying Israel is undeniably committing genocide in Gaza. You should hear American and English humanitarian workers accounts of what is happening inside Gaza. It's beyond vile...it's evil. And, 10/7 is no justification for it.
Zionists and ultra-orthodox (which does NOT include all Jews-Jewish people are diverse) majorities is proving to not be a promising future for Christians and Muslims either.
This isn't about whether Israel should exist-it should. This is about Israel's government actions, which are despicably inhumane and evil.
A country where the Jews are the minority?
Pro-Palestinians want a Jew-free Middle East. They're usually too shy to say that out loud but it's exactly what Palestinians say out loud over and over and over.
Nobody wants a "two-state solution" or a "single secular state". Those ideas are dead in the water and Palestinians will only ever accept complete control over the entire region.
Przelotnyptak1 1 | 1132
8 Jul 2026 #69
the fact that two Israelis (Kushner and Witkoff) are t
Don't be stupid, there are American, or in your mind hie in America we should discriminate, basing our decision on what, Jewish decent, sound too much like apartheid to me, you dirty antisemite.
Palestinians will only ever accept complete control over the entire region.
We've been told that for decades. And, it certainly is true about some Palestinians. Guys like Yasser Arafat were never going to accept an Israeli state.
However, we've only been told part of the story. Come to find out, Palestinians are like every other group: they have diverse set of opinions. Pre-10/7, a majority of Palestinians wanted a two-state solution. Not the case today.
Bratwurst Boy 10 | 13082
8 Jul 2026 #71
Nobody wants a "two-state solution" or a "single secular state".
Yes....I believe that too....its like after WWII in Europe, to many "burned bridges".....only ethnical cleansing left.
I'm also saying Israel is undeniably committing genocide in Gaza.
Big words thrown around to often and to lightly use their worth and value....
In that light EVERY mass civilian casualties in every war could be called "genocide"!
PeaceInTheME
8 Jul 2026 #72
They're usually too shy to say that out loud but it's exactly what Palestinians say..
Palestinians and all the other Arabs were pretty happy to have a 'Jew-full' Middle East (there were populations all over the place) until the Zionists decided to take the land solely for themselves and massacre and subjugate everyone else.
Unfortunately there's been too much bloodshed and radicalisation on both sides to easily get back to start talking about a secular and equal state or a two-state solution.
@Bratwurst Boy
Great example: Europe after WWII. So many burned bridges; yet, here we are today: a united Europe awash in an ethnic stew.
Great example: Europe after WWII. So many burned bridges; yet, here we are today: a united Europe awash in an ethnic stew.
Bratwurst Boy 10 | 13082
8 Jul 2026 #74
a united Europe awash in an ethnic stew.
....and now imagine Germans demand back Danzig or Breslau....and other parts of former german lands!
At some point a people has to chose between past or future....
In that light EVERY mass civilian casualties in every war could be called "genocide"!
No, not every mass civilian casualties equals a genocide. I, personally, am extremely hesitant to use the term.
But, this is a time to use it. There has been too many independent accounts that corroborate one another that have come from American aid workers (most former military and doctors) and English aid workers that describe discriminating and purposeful attacks on unarmed civilian men, women, and children.
Lack of food and water.
What Pal have to go through to get food...basically they march through a firing range.
Przelotnyptak1 1 | 1132
8 Jul 2026 #76
3. Committing genocide in Gaza
While spewing your hate, don't forget 1200 hundred innocents Israelis brutally murdered to start the so-called genocide.
not this time, Jews wont obediently go to gas chambers. Do you consider the consequences, or you expect, for Iranians, untangling the Gordian Knot
or you suffering from Alexander the Great syndrome?
...and now imagine Germans demand back Danzig or Breslau....and other parts of former german lands!
It's not the same thing! And it's not my point. For chrissakes!
The point is wounds can be healed with proper management.
Bratwurst Boy 10 | 13082
8 Jul 2026 #78
But, this is a time to use it.
Genocide...that would mean murdering Palis because they are Palis!
Anti...these Arabs having the full voting rights in Israel are also Palis....the Palis in Jordan and elsewhere are all left alone. And if the Palis in Gaza wouldn't constantly present such a danger to israeli civilians they would be left alone too. You can't call that Genocide!
The point is wounds can be healed with proper management.
Not as long as they listen to those who promise them a jew-free Palestine....
While spewing your hate
How is that spewing hate?
So, the response to killing 1200 innocent citizens (an evil act) is to commit genocide?
And, let's not equate Hamas power with Nazi power. That analogy is very stupid. Hamas has the capacity to commit terror not full-scale genocide.
Przelotnyptak1 1 | 1132
8 Jul 2026 #80
, their voice is small and may have very little effect.
Yeah, AntV, what a brilliant taught, more peace living Palestinians in Israel not a present minority will certainly solve the problem.
Are you sobber?
Gaza. It's beyond vile...it's evil. And, 10/7 is no justification for it.
Well in mine mind, fully justifiable. there are consequences for committing barbaric act. no such thing as 1200 for 1200. if you consider the Arab and Israeli
population, the 1200 for !200 is the recipes for destruction of Israel. Your apparent dangerous dream.
secular and equal state or a two-state solution.
Sure, are you are directly related to Salomon?
and purposeful attacks on unarmed civilian men, women, and children.
Not true, otherwise there would be no Palestinian left alive, unlike Palestinians, where civilians were the main target and terror as their goal.
(there were populations all over the place) until the Zionists decided to take the land
Then retarded Arab governments exiled their jews who mostly ended up in....... Israel, making it far stronger than it had been.
Arabs are bad at politics...
Przelotnyptak1 1 | 1132
8 Jul 2026 #82
terror not full-scale genocide.
Really, what about the beloved., peace loving Iranians, who won the war with superpower, US. They are evil brothers, impossible to separate.
Hell, I am tired talking to the wall
Genocide...that would mean murdering Palis because they are Palis!
That's what's happening. Listen to Ben-Gvir or Smotrich for 5 minutes. They are not shy about saying out loud what they want.
the Palis in Gaza wouldn't constantly present such a danger to israeli civilians
And, this is the fatal flaw: thinking all Palis are Hamas.
This manufactured tribalism is our flaw and a canard for war-making.
Well in mine mind, fully justifiable
That tells us about your mind...not so much about justice, though.
Not true, otherwise there would be no Palestinian left alive,
It's undeniably true.
Genocide does mot entail the complete elimination of a people. It means the systematic and widespread killing of a people. Gaza is this.
more peace living Palestinians in Israel not a present minority will certainly solve the problem.
I never said it would.
@Przelotnyptak1
That's exactly what the place is. There are two sets of laws for two different people, Palestinian citizens of Israel do not have the same status as Jewish blow ins.
Israeli laws discriminate against them. Palestinian who are not Israeli citizens can be and are murdered with impunity. It's not just Likud and Bibi it's the entire place.
That's exactly what the place is. There are two sets of laws for two different people, Palestinian citizens of Israel do not have the same status as Jewish blow ins.
Israeli laws discriminate against them. Palestinian who are not Israeli citizens can be and are murdered with impunity. It's not just Likud and Bibi it's the entire place.
Israeli laws discriminate against them. Palestinian who are not Israeli citizens can be and are..
How would things be different with the Palestinians in charge?
Hell, I am tired talking to the wall
Then stop talking to your mirror. 😁
Really, what about the beloved., peace loving Iranians
Dude, what bong you hitting from? Iran is lovable? They are peace-loving?
Put the bong down Ptaki, it's causing to hallucinate...and talk to yourself in the mirror.
Arabs are bad at politics...
They've gotten much better at it...see UAE, Qatar, Morocco.
Besides...just about every country has a period of bad politics. We're going through such a period now in the US. Current bad Israeli politics is going to end up causing Israel and the rest of us a lot of pain.
How would things be different with the Palestinians in charge?
Of the West Bank?
One thing that would be different is the Palis wouldn't have the IDF trenching through and Israeli settlers expanding into the West Bank.
You'd also probably have a more cohesive governing structure. It's currently a tangled web of governance.n
Przelotnyptak1 1 | 1132
8 Jul 2026 #87
And, this is the fatal flaw: thinking all Palis are Hamas.
Sory to burst your bubble, your fantasy, your dream, your parsing the words your manipulative interpretation, your manufactured, non-existing facts, your fanatical support, for the bad guys, despite the facts, I will agree with you that not all Palestinians are Hamas, but all of Palestinians are strong Hamas
supporters. The only difference is most of Hamas is heavily armed and civilians are not. The thirst for Israelis blood is equal for Hamas and civilians,
, exactly the same. So, get rid of your fatal flaw.
Przelotnyptak1 1 | 1132
8 Jul 2026 #88
be and are murdered with impunity. It's not just Likud and Bibi it's the entire..
And I am sure you are not the victim of exaggeration embellishment, hyperbole in every sentence of your post.
Przelotnyptak1 1 | 1132
8 Jul 2026 #89
More that he has financial backers who make money on financial markets from his chaos.
Jon, is there a law excluding leftfarts from taking advantage of rising stock markets, or this is an outburst of communist envy?
Most likely TDS.
Poland vis a vis the US and Iran...
What does Poland have to do with Iran and the US? We are not asking Poland for help or advice, so stay the hell out of it.
Simple...
Trump losing money - Trump is stupid.
Trump making money - Trump is evil.
What does Poland have to do with Iran and the US? We are not asking Poland for help or advice, so stay the hell out of it.
Simple...
Trump losing money - Trump is stupid.
Trump making money - Trump is evil.