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Poland vis a vis the US and Iran - part 2


Joker  2 | 2649
28 Jun 2026   #31
@RufusEuroChinks lol

I Love the so called stupid quests of PF😆

They are so dumb they need to hide like sock puppets


Novichok  7 | 10597
3 Jul 2026   #32
Europe is going to unite with Canada

...to criminalize wrong pronouns...

Better hurry before Canada becomes the US. Alberta is ready.


OP jon357  77 | 25739
3 Jul 2026   #33
Iranian terraine makes it more or less invasion proof (and bomb proof).

Something they really should have thought through but didn't.

And the situation in the Gulf is worse than before, not better.


mafketis  45 | 12315
3 Jul 2026   #34
And the situation in the Gulf

Trump should have told Bibi to shut his stupid face.... but he didn't... and once more the US makes the Middle East a lot worse....


OP jon357  77 | 25739
3 Jul 2026   #35
Trump should have

This just seems like one sad step in a litany of disasters.

Aside from wanting to have group sex with his sons, naming things after himself and making his amounts of money from scams while in office, this and his support for Bibi costs lives.

makes the Middle East a lot worse....

That's it really. Outsiders can't make it better and less is more is maybe the best approach there. Certainly letting things be done their way rather than the west's as they slowly adjust to rapid change. Pouring troubled water on oil is the wrong approach


AntV  7 | 1265
3 Jul 2026   #36
And the situation in the Gulf is worse than before, not better.

That is an understatement. The Iran war is the greatest cluster-you-know-what the US has ever caused.

Iran exposed American limits and now will boldly control the Strait. Because they know:
Iranian terraine makes it more or less invasion proof (and bomb proof).

The only positive that may come out of it is Trump is reportedly defcon 5 pissed off at Bibi, which may parlay into subverting Israel's plans of hegemonic expansion. We'll have to wait and see.


Novichok  7 | 10597
3 Jul 2026   #37
this and his support for Bibi costs lives.

13 dead Americans is 13 too many, but compared to the number of deaths caused by Democrats and by women in abortion "clinics", it's a very low number.

What's wrong with Bibi? What exactly did he do wrong as far as the US or Israel is concerned?

Did the UK or any other Euro country offer to protect Israel from Hamas and Hezbollah?


Ironside  53 | 14325
3 Jul 2026   #38
n war is the greatest cluster-you-know-what the US has ever caused.

It has been know for decades, that the main reason the US wouldn't engage with an open war against Iran, specialists and experts left a lot of material but someone who forgot how to read it doesn't exist.
Interesting that Israel would like to see US boggled down in Iran, such a great ally. lol!


Novichok  7 | 10597
3 Jul 2026   #39
Iran exposed American limits and now will boldly control the Strait.

Iran didn't do any such thing if you mean military means. The only shameful part of this mess was that we, the global superpower, ever "negotiated" anything with these m-fers.

We can control the Straits and are very capable of choking this disgusting country to economic death by denying them the ability to rake in 500 million bucks a day.

We don't need to invade Iran to bring it to its Islamic knees. Just bomb the fvck out of that damn island and watch it burn. No oil, no money. End of Iran. Period.

Our only problem is the US voters and the approaching midterm elections. They freak out when they spend an extra 15 bucks per tank, but don't mind 10 bucks per pack.

Interesting that Israel would like to see US bogged down in Iran, such a great..

Nothing to do with Israel. Israel didn't give us 9/11. Arabs did.

Now, let's imagine a nuclear version of it. Wanna be here on that day?

Didn't think so...


Ironside  53 | 14325
3 Jul 2026   #40
g to do with Israel.

Sure, not a thing. lol!
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Israel didn't give us 9/11. Arabs did.

Nothing to do with Iran.


OP jon357  77 | 25739
3 Jul 2026   #41
Interesting that Israel would like to see US boggled down in Iran

It's in their interests to do this. They can't do anything themselves except black ops which they do excel in.

13 dead

They died for nothing.


Ironside  53 | 14325
3 Jul 2026   #42
's in their interests to do this.

I suppose if they they still dream about greater Israel.


Novichok  7 | 10597
3 Jul 2026   #43
The US used to be an ally of the USSR. Nobody demanded an explanation.

Now being an ally of Israel is a problem? I would be happy to read an explanation.

BTW, if you know a better spy agency than Mossad or a better army than the IDF, call the White House. They will be happy to meet them.

I suppose if they still dream about greater Israel.

No. They dream about being left alone.

They also told me that one Auschwitz per millennium is all they can tolerate.

10/7 was a reminder, for which Israelis are very grateful. Not the women and girls who were raped and decapitated. I didn't have a chance to talk to them.


OP jon357  77 | 25739
3 Jul 2026   #44
still dream about greater Israel.

Israelis probably don't. They do however have a uniquely difficult situation.


Novichok  7 | 10597
3 Jul 2026   #45
They do, however, have a uniquely difficult situation.

I like understatements. Is that situation similar to Poland's on August 31, 1939?

Based on my recent interviews, Israelis are very upset when they hear "From the river to the sea".

I wonder why...Hmm...Anybody?


Przelotnyptak1  1 | 1132
3 Jul 2026   #46
Aside from wanting to have group sex with his sons,

And yet no life suspension.

Interesting that Israel would like to see US boggled down in Iran, such a great..

And you know it, for sure? Sources unknown, unavailable at the moment or maybe for ever.


Ironside  53 | 14325
3 Jul 2026   #47
.Israelis probably don't.

Their actions tell us otherwise.
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They

Sure, after all you are the greatest genius of your generation., so you feel it in the air.
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And you know it,

And you don't? Is your English poor or your comprehension low? Maybe, just maybe you don't pay attention but are full of opinions.
Are you genius of your generation too?


Przelotnyptak1  1 | 1132
4 Jul 2026   #48
Are you genius of your generation too?

Instead of answering I could have ask you same question and pretend, that was an answer. Both of us can play the game of stupid, even though I bow my head facing self-proclaimed genius of the generation, so if you consider yourself a civilized bloviator, please answer the question instead of mudding the water to the point that the meaning of your answer becomes invisible.


Novichok  7 | 10597
4 Jul 2026   #49
It's actually very simple.

The trick is in making statements the opponent can't disprove.

For example,

Iron: We do what Israel tells us to do.

Me: How about the evidence?

Iron: Google it. I am not your secretary.

Simple, isn't it?


OP jon357  77 | 25739
4 Jul 2026   #50
Their actions tell us otherwise. ---

Yet they don't (and they would find it relatively easy to do so).


Ironside  53 | 14325
7 Jul 2026   #51
Instead of answering

What answer would you like? You are clearly supporting Zionists. Should I say, stop being biased so much? What good it would do?
You are not a child, you are making your own choices and decisions. I'm not gong to tell you that you are wrong, not because you are right, but because that would be pointless.
So, I let you enjoy your five minutes of being genius of your generation, at least in your own mind.


Ironside  53 | 14325
7 Jul 2026   #52
Yet they don't

Clearly you don't know what so called greater Israel impiles.


OP jon357  77 | 25739
7 Jul 2026   #53
So what (in your opinion) does it imply?

Since the rest of the world would like to know.


Ironside  53 | 14325
8 Jul 2026   #54
Since the rest of the world would like to know

The rest of the world, that informed part knows it very well.
Only selected few seems to be out of the loop. Including you.


OP jon357  77 | 25739
8 Jul 2026   #55
That tells us precisely nothing.


mafketis  45 | 12315
8 Jul 2026   #56
So what (in your opinion) does it imply?

"Greater Israel" is an extremist political idea that is mostly tolerated by the Israeli government (as seen by some Israeli soldiers who wear Greater Israel patches on their uniforms).


  • greatis.webp


OP jon357  77 | 25739
8 Jul 2026   #57
mostly tolerated by the Israeli government

At least it's a democracy with the hope that Bibi can be voted out.


Barney  19 | 2166
8 Jul 2026   #58
@jon357
Its only a democracy in the same way that apartheid South Africa was a democracy


AntV  7 | 1265
8 Jul 2026   #59
At least it's a democracy with the hope that Bibi can be voted out.

Eisenkot and Yashar are Bibi and Likud's challenger. Is there any indication Eisenkot's government would curtail Israeli expansion?

Everything I've read so far doesn't indicate it would. Eisenkot's critiques have been about strategic execution of Israel's wars, not the wars themselves or mass destruction (of life and property) and displacement caused by these wars.


AntV  7 | 1265
8 Jul 2026   #60
Its only a democracy in the same way that apartheid South Africa was a democracy

I don't think that's fair. Arab Israelis can vote and hold office. That wasn't always the case in apartheid S Africa-only whites could hold office during most of that period and several provinces didn't allow Blacks to vote (going off memory, so correct me if I'm wrong).





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