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Torq  39 | 2578
6 Mar 2026   #61
I fear this can easily lead to our falling from our perch.

Perhaps it's time, Anti. The rot of your "elites" would make people of Sodom and Gomorrah blush with virginal modesty. Perhaps it's time.
Bobko  32 | 3352
6 Mar 2026   #62
This is monumentally stupid, IMO.

It's stupid - and it's also infuriating that it's happening - because there were explicit promises that this would not happen.

China is playing you, like a fiddle.

Everyone out there with two brain cells in their cranium, are droning on about - "Haha, Russia and China - wonderful allies to Venezuela and Iran!"

Idiots.

Russia and China are watching live as America self destructs. Why help it walk away from the precipice by imposing intolerable costs on the Iranian operation?

America is scaring the sh*t out of the rest of the world.

People are shocked.

They may not be fans of Russia and China, but these are two very traditional players from whom it is more or less clear what to expect.

China will swoop in, and inherit your relationships without spending even 1/10th the effort you had invested over the past century to develop them.

Entirely avoidable and fully self inflicted.
Bobko  32 | 3352
6 Mar 2026   #63
lol.

Iran refused negotiations. Is waiting for the ground invasion.

Did they even consult with Pete Hegseth who said, "This will not be Iraq"?

America intends this as a short, victorious operation - without long term commitments. Did the stupid Persians not get the memo?

What's America supposed to do now? Actually invade?

Sheeeesh....


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AntV  4 | 985
6 Mar 2026   #64
Perhaps it's time, Anti

Someone or someones will plop upon that perch. Who? And will their elites be any better?

This just goes to show how a clear sense of basic morality is important to a society. Who has such in the West or the East that is a viable power?

it's also infuriating that it's happening - because there were explicit promises that this would not..

Exactly!!!!
Ironside  53 | 14293
6 Mar 2026   #65
No, you aren't imagining things, you just don't understand 1st Amend law, that's all.

Thank you for cheering me up. I don't have creative imagination, I'm simply stupid.

By the way, you should cheer up, too. Trump has a new policy: no more gender operations on children (without parents' consent), another win for the right. WOW!

Do you know this joke - Trump dies and goes to hell?
Torq  39 | 2578
6 Mar 2026   #66
Can they be any worse than a satanic paedo cabal?

a clear sense of basic morality is important to a society

Oh, indeed. Morality and internal cohesion. Your friends, the Jews, know this very well. That's how they conquered you and made you their lapdog.

As one wise American wrote...

"The Jewish strategy consists of ethnocentrism, which means defending one's own identity while simultaneously weakening the identities of other groups. This creates a contrast between the atomized West and a group with informational cohesion that applies group selection, such as the Jews. If system A (the Jews) maintains a high level of internal cohesion and efficiency, while system B (the West) is persuaded that any form of group correlation is a pathology (for example the authoritarian personality of the Frankfurt School, nationalism, fascism, antisemitism, etc.), then system A assumes the steering functions of system B without kinetic conflict."

... this is precisely what we are observing at the moment.

Who has such in the West or the East that is a viable power?

I don't know, Anti. I simply know that I am sick and tired of every consecutive Polish government giving America a sloppy blowjob, and I am sick and tired of watching American ambassadors in Warsaw behaving like Viceroys of Poland. Also, the sight of Novichok salivating over murdered Iranian primary school children and admiring American amazing power does make me want to vomit.

Maybe the Chinese won't be that bad? Let's give them a chance - maybe it's their turn?
AntV  4 | 985
6 Mar 2026   #67
What's America supposed to do now? Actually invade?

Well, we're first going to see if the Kurds will do it. Not like they'd do it for free, which, y'know causes problems of its own. If not the Kurds, who knows.

But, like you said, this is a brief 4-week banger. So let's not get ahead of ourselves. Just trust in the Mar-aLago memo.

I'm simply stupid

You're of the smart ones. You just don't know 1st amend law-why would you. Don't be so hard on yourself.

icy: no more gender operations on children (without parents' consent), another win for the right. WOW!

Yeah, big win! What a bunch of BS. It's not that chopping off Junior's wanky and feeding him hormones because he's young and confused is objectively wrong. Holy ****! Who turned out the lights?

Do you know this joke - Trump dies and goes to hell?

No, I don't.

So tell...and it better be good, Iron...I better my pants pants from laughter...or I'm gonna hunt you down and bludgeon you with a hammer made by hand in Russia by a Novogorsk Orc. Because, I need a laugh about now.
Bobko  32 | 3352
6 Mar 2026   #68
this is a brief 4-week banger

I know Pete Hegseth is some kinda space marine, and ultimate warrior... and went to Princeton...

But what I and others were consistently taught in all the military history classes and officer training courses - is that "the enemy gets a vote too".

I mean - it's sort of a cliche.

You can't just export sh*t right out of your cranium, and assume that things will proceed exactly as you envisioned.

You must account for all nature of contingencies.

-//-

By this criteria, the Venezuela mission (Midnight Hammer - lovely name) measures up rather well.

But what is being done in Iran seems retarded - I'm sorry.

It's been one week - and POTUS is tweeting: "Only unconditional surrender"?

This is not serious.

Now, if you don't invade and plant an American flag in the middle of Tehran you will look like incompetent clowns.
AntV  4 | 985
6 Mar 2026   #69
Maybe the Chinese won't be that bad? Let's give them a chance - maybe it's their..

No thank you. As terrible as it is, at least there's the smallest chance to turn this shithole around with our voices. China, your larynx is officially owned by the state.

I mean - it's sort of a cliche.

Because it is true.

I mean the neo-cons are even blushing at the audacity of this admins gusto.
Bobko  32 | 3352
6 Mar 2026   #70
The boomeranging dildo of consequences.

Kinda upsetting only we get mentioned. In Iranian and Russian press they write that China also makes its satellite grouping available for Iran's needs.

Russia is already neck-deep in sh*t, and has been in outright confrontation for 4 years - so maybe this is why it's easier to mention us than China.

-//-

The nascent world war is gathering momentum.

Maybe it was a bad idea helping the Ukrainians with targeting Russia's strategic bombers and navy ships?

Maybe not smart helping Ukraine identify all Russian radars and SAM sites?

It's f*cking Vietnam and Afghanistan all over again.

Americans using Ukrainians to kill Russians. Russians using Iranians to kill Americans.

For this moment in time - America certainly seems much more successful in its proxy kill counts.


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Ironside  53 | 14293
6 Mar 2026   #71
So, Trump dies and goes to hell. He is told, "You belong here, no doubt about that, but we have a little problem. We have no space for you. Don't worry, we will kick someone out to make space for you. To make it fair, you can choose the person who will be sent away."

The Devil opens the first door, and Obama jumps off the diving board into a pool. He gets out of the pool, climbs back onto the diving board, and jumps again, repeating this over and over.

Trump says, "I don't think I can do it."

They move to the second door, and George Bush is there, breaking rocks with a hammer repeatedly.

Trump says, "I don't think I can do that either; I have this shoulder injury from playing golf. Let's check door number three."

They open the third door, and there is Bill Clinton straped onto bed. Monica Lewinsky comes in and does what she does best, repeating it over and over.

Trump says, "I think I can handle this. I can get used to this. I'll take door number three."

The Devil says, "Alright, Monica, you're free to go!"
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@Bobko
No, it is stupid to attack Iran. Simple.
Torq  39 | 2578
6 Mar 2026   #72
turn this shithole around with our voices

Voices? In the US you can basically vote for two parties, right? You have the current bunch, that you don't like, or Democrats (open borders, wokism, rotten-to-the-core godless elites). Of course both are implicated in the paedo cabal--both elites had to go through Epstein Island "initiation".

How do you propose to turn anything around with voices if your choice is so limited?
Ironside  53 | 14293
6 Mar 2026   #73
How do you propose to turn anything around with voices if your choice is so limited?

There is an election coming up. If the Democrats win a majority, they can put an end to the war.
Bobko  32 | 3352
6 Mar 2026   #74
If the Democrats win a majority, they can put an end to the war.

Not really... It's important to understand how the system works here.

Further - precedent shows that Democrats will make a lot of noise about something Republicans had done, but then calmly carry on with it when they are back in power.

Look at Biden and China. He didn't make life one bit easier for Xi, after he replaced Trump 1. It makes one think that Democrats will maintain a lot of the machinery also after Trump 2.

Look at the Democrats and their moaning and complaining about Afghanistan and Iraq and what they did later. Obama did a f*cking surge - that's what he did.

Clinton looked at Desert Storm, and raised Yugoslavia.

Don't feed yourself with pointless delusions.
Ironside  53 | 14293
6 Mar 2026   #75
Don't feed yourself with pointless delusions. @ Bobko

I didn't say they will do it, but they can do it. My prediction is that Democrats will win because of the war in Iran.
Torq  39 | 2578
6 Mar 2026   #76
There is an election coming up.

... and one in Hungary as well. Should be interesting.

We still have a year-and-a-half until our elections in Poland. I better stop criticising Americans for their limited joice because our choice is not much better. Unless we want to give Braun a chance?
Ironside  53 | 14293
6 Mar 2026   #77
Unless we want to give Braun a chance?

Fire extinguisher forever! lol!
Torq  39 | 2578
6 Mar 2026   #78
Fire extinguisher forever!

And I'm not even joking! :)
AntV  4 | 985
6 Mar 2026   #79
The Devil says, "Alright, Monica, you're free to go!"

Hahahaha! I cancelled my Russian hammer order.

How do you propose to turn anything around with voices if your choice is so limited

We have primaries and other stuff. It's not monolithic as it seems. Not easy to change things, but much easier than in China.

There is an election coming up. If the Democrats win a majority, they can put an..

Dems are equally if not more in the pocket of Israel.

Plus, what Bobko said.
Torq  39 | 2578
6 Mar 2026   #80
Dems are equally if not more in the pocket of Israel.

It looks to me like you need to find an American Grzegorz Braun. Alas, America is not as free as Poland - in the US a guy like Braun would be cancelled faster than he could say 'where's the fire extinguisher?'. :)
Bobko  32 | 3352
6 Mar 2026   #81
Plus, what Bobko said.

It feels especially good to have the veracity of your views validated by the man whose name you see when you look up "American" in the dictionary.
Ironside  53 | 14293
6 Mar 2026   #82
Plus, what Bobko said.

People, at least there is a glimmer of hope; otherwise, it all goes to the dogs, and there's no way out.
I'm supposed to be grumpy here.
AntV  4 | 985
6 Mar 2026   #83
@Torq

I must look up this German-Pole Grzegorz Braun.

Edit:

Just looked him up, he looks like my fave Star Wars character: Chewbacca. I'm all for him!
Bobko  32 | 3352
6 Mar 2026   #84
Our Alcoholic-in-Chief is tweeting right now:


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Torq  39 | 2578
6 Mar 2026   #85
I'm all for him!

Brilliant. To the Chopin vodka that I promised you, I am now adding also a mug...

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jon357  75 | 25343
6 Mar 2026   #86
German-Pole Grzegorz Braun.

He's Polish and a nutcase.
Torq  39 | 2578
6 Mar 2026   #87
a nutcase

He may be a fool but he is a holy fool. Grzegorz "Yurodivy" Braun! "The foolishness of God is wiser than men" and all that. :)
jon357  75 | 25343
6 Mar 2026   #88
a holy fool

The worst kind, especially if they unfortunately hold political office.
AntV  4 | 985
6 Mar 2026   #89
I am now adding also a mug...

😄. Sweet mug!

a nutcase

I put this through google translate and it says "a fine rational and well-grounded human. "

Our Alcoholic-in-Chief is tweeting right now:

😂. Great title.
jon357  75 | 25343
6 Mar 2026   #90
I put this through google translate and it says "a fine rational and well-grounded human. "

Bits of data are not of course psychologists.

Such a shame he's a clown. Hopefully he'll serve a long gaol term for that nasty stunt at the Chanukah celebration and be buggered every day in the prison shower.


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