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rozumiemnic 9 | 3,360    
27 Oct 2016  #2,672

i dont suppose any abbatoir is a nice kind place Dolno.
If halal slaughter is done correctly the first cut severs the spinal cord meaning no more or less suffering than by other methods.
I only know that because I used to work in a halal butcher. The guys there were very good to me and would let me take food on tick, knowing my situation (supporting kids alone) that is because Islam is a religion of charity and good deeds...../)
Crow 136 | 5,909    
27 Oct 2016  #2,673

rt.com, get lost

are you now drank?? CNN, BBC, CNN, ITM, Deutsche Welle,... are they better sources? Please

Plus, we here don`t speak about higher politics but about everyday life.
dolnoslask 1 | 1,165    
27 Oct 2016  #2,674

the first cut severs the spinal cord

Not possible roz they cut the jugular, even so the trauma pre and post slaughter is horrific , I spent 15 years providing systems for the food industry, Halal slaughterhouses are horrific compared to those that stun pre-slaughter, the only way to know is to go and see it first hand, some of the sheds I visited in Birmingham were truly horrific.

"would let me take food on tick, knowing my situation (supporting kids alone) ", that's very good of them to be charitable, hope you doing ok.
rozumiemnic 9 | 3,360    
27 Oct 2016  #2,675

hope you doing ok.

yes the little ones are nearly 18 now, thanks, and doing apprenticeships

Well it sounds like you know what you are talking about anyway.
peterweg 36 | 2,254    
27 Oct 2016  #2,676

Greece and Italy, the countries most affected by the refugee crisis, are threatening to veto the disbursement of European Union funds to V4 countries, the Rzeczpospolita daily has said

thenews.pl/1/10/Artykul/277368,Italy-and-Greece-threaten-to-block-EU-funds-to-V4-over-migrantsĘ
dolnoslask 1 | 1,165    
27 Oct 2016  #2,677

yes the little ones are nearly 18 now

My nephew is 17 and is now at haberdashers 6 form college, and is applying for a place at Cambridge , his mum brought him up alone, she managed to get a degree while he was at school and got a good position in the fashion and design industry, allot of hard work and tears, the father initially took some interest in his son but that faded away, I am so proud them both, he visited us in Poland a while back, I hear he has a Polish girlfriend back in the UK , I hope he visits with her, but maybe the country life would be a bit boring compared to the bright lights of London at his age.
mafketis 16 | 4,691    
27 Oct 2016  #2,678

If halal slaughter is done correctly the first cut severs the spinal cord meaning no more or less suffering than by other methods.

Halal (and Kosher) slaughter represented advances at one time, but science has progressed (while holy texts are stuck in amber).

The most humane protocals seem those worked out by Temple Grandin which specifically avoid confusing or scaring the animals and a dispatch that is quick and painless as possible.
Lenka 2 | 1,073    
27 Oct 2016  #2,679

The most humane protocals seem those worked out by Temple Grandin

Amazing women and it's a shame her work is not more popular.
dolnoslask 1 | 1,165    
27 Oct 2016  #2,680

those worked out by Temple Grandin

Stressed animals yield poor quality meat so it is in everyone's interest to dispatch animals as humanly as possible, in my opinion electric stunning is the most effective , even when you are dispatching a larger beast, where historically the captive bolt method has been used, both the fore mentioned are more reliable and humane compared to the random results you get from attempt to slit an animals throat.

Take it from me not all animals go up to the halal slaughter man all happy and ready to go, they have just seen the fate of the one in front , they can fight kick back and struggle , seriously the blood can fly everywhere as they resist having their throats cut , to the point I would never step into a halal slaughterhouse ever again, I didn't want that kind of blood money literally.
jon357 67 | 12,739    
27 Oct 2016  #2,681

Stressed animals yield poor quality meat so it is in everyone's interest to dispatch animals as humanly as possible

This is true.

in my opinion electric stunning is the most effective

Maybe, however the kindest (least evil) way is to do it not in an abattoir at all, Unfortunately the volume of meat that the market wants means that we really have created death camps for animals. I don't even want to think about factory farming, perhaps the most evil thing that Homo Sapiens has done.

Take it from me not all animals go up to the halal slaughter man all happy and ready to go,

No animal goes happily in a slaughterhouse. Halal/Kosher or not, lambs curl themselves round the slaughterers legs in fear, hoping the slaughterer will be as much of a mum to them as the farmer who fed them. One day, our descendants will condemn our brutality and primitivism in doing this foul thing. The sooner the better.

Paradoxically, the most 'decent' meat I've eaten was in Sudan, where the little sheep was cleanly dispatched out of sight of the rest of the herd with a quick 'Allahu Akhbar' and a knife to its throat. Then we ate its liver and lungs raw (with peanut sauce) while a lady fried the rest.

If you want to attack Muslim (or other) immigrants because of Halal/Kashrut rules, think on about the supermarket meat you gnaw at and reflect about the wretched existence of that innocent animal.
mafketis 16 | 4,691    
28 Oct 2016  #2,682

so it is in everyone's interest to dispatch animals as humanly as possible

Well the treatment up to the point of dispatch matters a lot too, that was Grandin's main contribution, figuring out what kinds of situations stress animals and eliminating them on the road to dispatch.

If you want to attack Muslim (or other) immigrants

Projecting much? Ritual slaugher (whether by immigrant or indigen) is not the most humane option and should be illegal. How the religious deal with this is not really a big concern of mine.
Crow 136 | 5,909    
28 Oct 2016  #2,683

Ritual slaugher (whether by immigrant or indigen) is not the most humane option and should be illegal.

truly nicely said.
dolnoslask 1 | 1,165    
28 Oct 2016  #2,684

If you want to attack Muslim (or other) immigrants because of Halal/Kashrut rules

Oh so I am now accused of attacking minorities by stating that I believe that a process is inhumane from my own observations whilst working in abattoirs.

Again you choose to use the typical libtard trick of accusing someone of being a racist, Harry taught you well , you need to sort out your PBS.
mafketis 16 | 4,691    
28 Oct 2016  #2,685

accusing someone of being a racist

And it's already backfiring.

"Racist is the new queer. The same daring, transgressional psychology that, for gay people, converted an insult into a durable token of identity may persuade a mass of people who otherwise would not have challenged the social taboo surrounding racism to accept the epithet with defiant equanimity or even to embrace it. "

interfluidity.com/v2/date/2016/10
Crow 136 | 5,909    
28 Oct 2016  #2,686

On this Earth, still exist people who are cannibals and their religious rituals from time to time require eating of other humans. Or, there are rituals that require sanctification of people, their killing in the process. So, does that mean that rest of humanity have to tolerate cannibals and those who wish to sacrifice people, just because some people claim that have right to practice such a morbid rituals because of their religion?
Crow 136 | 5,909    
28 Oct 2016  #2,687

Ohhh, i see now that Hungary also penisize EU... spot > prijatelj Orban again resist >>>

Orban threatens to sue EC over migrant quotas
b92.net/eng/news/world.php?yyyy=2016&mm=10&dd=28&nav_id=99540

Unless Brussels removes the issue of mandatory migrant quotas from the agenda, Hungary will "resist them, and sue the European Commission."

Crow 136 | 5,909    
25 Nov 2016  #2,688

There are good examples that shows how are sane Europeans able to protect themselves from EU ruling establishment. There are people and political leaders who aren`t ready to blindly follow EU, aren`t ready to betray friends, brothers, its own people.

Hungarian village bans building mosques, wearing burqas

b92.net/eng/news/region.php?yyyy=2016&mm=11&dd=25&nav_id=99796

These include banning "construction of mosques and the activity of muezzins, as well as the use of veils and headscarves like burqas, chadors and burkinis worn by Muslim women,"

johnny reb 13 | 2,595    
9 Dec 2016  #2,689

Just look what is happening in other western countries Poland.
Norway, Belgium, France, Germany, Britain and the United States before you consider accepting these mostly "young men" into your country.
They have one hidden agenda and it is not acclimating to the Polish culture or any other culture.
They refuse to learn the host countries language, work, and go immediately on government assistance yet they drive $60 - $70,000 dollar vehicles.
This is what they have done to one town in America which pretty much explains it very clearly.
Pay attention Poland.

safeshare.tv/x/w5oLoW9jZJc#v
Crow 136 | 5,909    
10 Jan 2017  #2,690

See, after all that pressure on Poland, occupational troops arriving. I expected this. Reason is always easy to found.
LowLives    
11 Jan 2017  #2,691

Poland needs to be kicked out of the EU.
They are taking taking taking from the EU and giving nothing back. A thief mentality.
We do not want nor need the Polish in the UK.
Go Home ! Take a hint, BREXIT = we are sick to death of your Eastern European ways.

Like thieves in the night,
they destroy that which was good..
nationalinterest.org/feature/poland-not-brexit-the-real-threat-europes-unity-17154
Marsupial - | 978    
11 Jan 2017  #2,692

Let me guess..poles kicked down the mud hut you and your family lived in. And just as your aunty finally passed primary school and became tthe smartest family member. Very unfair.
nothanks - | 857    
11 Jan 2017  #2,693

*Failed asylum seekers in Berlin could escape deportation if they are victims of far-Right violence*

Sooner than later the next EU passport holders.....
mafketis 16 | 4,691    
11 Jan 2017  #2,694

*Failed asylum seekers in Berlin could escape deportation if they are victims of far-Right violence*

So they're creating an incentive for people to report that they are the victims of right wing violence.

It's very easy to see how this will play out. Ahmed gets two friends of his to rough him up a little (while shouting right wing stuff) and voila! He gets to stay! What could possible go wrong?
Najade - | 20    
11 Jan 2017  #2,695

^^
yea, there have already been comedians at this. Although it's sad, really.

Did you know that EVERY crime committed in Germany is counted as "right-wing", as long as there is no overwhelming proof of the opposite?

This way, the sick German propagandists can always sigh and moan about just how terribly high the rightwing violence/crimerate is.
Just as they endlessly harp on about how many asylum garrisons are burned down, failing to mention that in 99% of all of these cases, the inmates were the arsonists.
nothanks - | 857    
5 Apr 2017  #2,696

Around 270,000 Syrians have right to bring families to Germany

reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-idUSKBN1771IP
nothanks - | 857    
5 Apr 2017  #2,698

"a total of 431,376 Syrians applied for asylum in Germany in 2015 and 2016 and said that of those 267,500 would be entitled to family reunifications in Germany."

This could balloon a number like 430,000 to upwards of [at-least] 2 Million. Taking into consideration the birth rates of migrants from this region - this might result in an entire economic under class in Germany and possibly even Europe since these individuals will be in possession of EU passports eventually.
Lyzko 15 | 3,623    
5 Apr 2017  #2,699

..which is exactly why if Merkel's not more careful, she'll lose in Sept. with flying colors and Petry will be poised to take over:-)

She's already waiting in the wings!
nothanks - | 857    
5 Apr 2017  #2,700

Hahah speaking to Germans I know, it doesn't sound as AfD will make a national splash. They are the first right wing party in Germany since WW2 - so their accomplishment is noted. When the expected problems with 2nd generation of this Migrant Crisis begins rearing their head I could see AfD make more strides but at the moment I think Germans are again being lulled into naive self assurance because the migrant stream has slowed and Germany avoided large scale attacks.

Isn't AfD farther right than Le Pen? I doubt in our lifetime we will see an Anti-Immigration party in Germany.




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