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Poland under pressure of EU to accept more asylum seeking refugees



nothanks - | 838    
7 Jul 2017  #3,691

> Bill Gates in HUGE borders U-turn: 'Brussels must make it HARDER for migrants to reach EU'
BILL GATES has made a massive open-borders U-turn and urged Brussels to make it more "difficult" for migrants to reach Europe.

express.co.uk/news/world/825265/bill-gates-migrants-borders-europe-eu-brussels-germany

It is a nice start but I do not entirely agree


San Potkins    
11 Jul 2017  #3,692

God bless Jon Sobieskie! Long live Poland! Arabs stay out of Poland!
Dirk diggler 4 | 536    
12 Jul 2017  #3,693

Warm welcome 60 mins got in Sweden:

youtu.be/XcjcpKY0hpo

Spoiler alert: the cameraman gets run over by Somalis within minutes of arriving.. As soon as police leave the whole crew is attacked
Lyzko 15 | 3,277    
12 Jul 2017  #3,694

Sweden's been under siege for quite some time and is unprepared for such an onslaught of diverse human traffic.
Ironside 43 | 8,055    
12 Jul 2017  #3,695

There's been a few acts of violence towards them, and threats made in places like Przemyśl and Wrocław.@ delphiandomine

Oh really? Care to prove it? In Przeymsl it had nothing to do with immigrants but with local Ukrainians and their Badenderie provocations. As to Wrocalwa I don't know but there is about 10% of Ukrainians in the city and some tools are talking about introduction of the Ukrainian language in the offices.WTF?
Dirk diggler 4 | 536    
12 Jul 2017  #3,696

@Ironside

I've heard figures of 120k in wroclaw. I can't tell poles and ukranians apart that well but all the poles I know say they can. If I was able to I could give you a more accurate percentage from what I've seen.
Dirk diggler 4 | 536    
12 Jul 2017  #3,697

Another video on Germany's cultural enrichmen

youtu.be/L6qH13erP_U

Sad that police arrest the same people 20 30 times according to the cop just for that guy to go right back out and keep stealing assaulting women and dealing drugs plain in the open. I mean Jesus even in the worst hoods in America the guys hanging on the corners aren't even this obvious
nothanks - | 838    
12 Jul 2017  #3,698

Ya, entering the 3rd year of this circus it still baffles me undocumented are allowed to enter, roam, and EVEN commit crime and yet remain. Not sure I have ever seen or witnessed a bigger headscratcher in modern times. USA is ethnic and crime ridden - but the police does their job and relatively well. England's issue is turning the other cheek to ethnic crime but not this bad

This is so mind blowing that one must assume it is occuring on purpose. German leadership isn't stupid, they know very well what is occuring and why - but they are sneaky enough to use it to their advantage. IMO it is the typical create a problem and find the solution while making suble changes IE taking away free speech from social media. We will see more occur. Islam is just barbaric enough to allow itself to be used as the pawn
nothanks - | 838    
12 Jul 2017  #3,699

EDIT too late

But in defense of Germany, I have been told by people whom recently visited - it is not such an eyesore as in France: blocks of Africans laying on bed mattresses. I will be able to form a more concrete opinion when I visit next summer. The area in the video is known to be "the most Turkish area in Berlin" long before this migrant crisis. Complaints of people selling drugs in public view isn't new

I think Germans will be weazled into accepting these migrants and the hard working German will do it. France is straight up importing more No Go Zones
Dirk diggler 4 | 536    
12 Jul 2017  #3,700

@nothanks

No France looks waaay worse now. Its quite sad.

The drugs whatever. But the other crimes like robbing people pinching girls asses who clearly aren't asking for it the terrorist attacks and riots... Screw that. Like I've said many times france has been in a state of emergency for 2 years on n off. When the Muslim and African riots occur entire neighborhoods go ablaze and get trashed.

The wealthier Europeans will move to the suburbs resort towns or perhaps even to another country. France is done though. Or it'll turn into south Africa where security companies basically have to guard white Europeans or even Lebanon with different groups controlling different parts of the country. Who knows...

One thing is certain though. As demographics change and there are more radicals, popular imams and crazy people like choundry enter politics and who knows what will happen then. That's what I worry about.

Perhaps the wealthy western Europeans will even move to poland czechy Hungary etc.
nothanks - | 838    
12 Jul 2017  #3,701

> Surprisingly accurate comments from Macron

Angry reaction to Emmanuel Macron's remark that Africa has a 'civilizational' problem
The French President was discussing aid programs for the continent.

French President Emmanuel Macron is facing a social media backlash for talking about Africa having a "civilizational" problem and women having "seven or eight children."
nothanks - | 838    
12 Jul 2017  #3,702

Dirk, I think that is where Germany benefits from their Muslims being Turks. Turks won't sit by and allow their own neighorhoods to be destroyed like in France. Not ideal for Germany but from what I've seen - Germany will survive and probably still thrive economically. Everything will steadily decline 'made in Germany' but isn't most of Western Civilization too? So the decline won't be so obvious. If someone can "pull this off" it is Germany
mafketis 16 | 4,508    
12 Jul 2017  #3,703

Dirk, I think that is where Germany benefits from their Muslims being Turks

Well the "Turkish" population of Germany is divided into two groups that don't necessarily interact much. Ethnic Turks and Turkish Kurds, I don't know what the percentage of both are but IINM the great majority of "Turkish" criminals in Germany are Kurds. I think a majority of fast food places are run by Kurds too, but most of the ones I've been to are.

In terms of being able to find and keep jobs, then in Europe the percentages seem to be

Turks - best
Turkish-Kurds, Asian Arabs (usually from the Levant - sensu largo)
North African Arabs - worst

The Asian Arabs also are most likely to have professional qualifications so Syrians and Iraqis in Poland more liable to be doctors, academics or work in construction management.
jon357 63 | 12,072    
12 Jul 2017  #3,704

Yes, many are Kurds, and among those who aren't, there's quite a distinction between the westward looking, secular and sophisticated 'white Turks' from around Istanbul out Ankara, and the more socially conservative 'black Turks' from more rural areas.

There are also Bektashis, Alevis, Turkish Cypriots, Turkish Christians etc. in Germany and London. A very diverse diaspora population.
mafketis 16 | 4,508    
12 Jul 2017  #3,705

there's quite a distinction between the westward looking, secular and sophisticated 'white Turks' from around Istanbul out Ankara, and the more socially conservative 'black Turks' from more rural areas.

That's echoed by a similar distinction between "ethnic" Turks in Turkey, for decades the Tourist coast, Istanbul and Ankara were dominated by more secular westernized Turks who were nominally 'muslim' but did not actually practice much religion (I remember seeing almost empty mosques during the big Friday services in Bodrum). Culturally overall they were much more like Greeks and Italians than Anatolian peasants.

But the economic boom meant that those Anatolian peasants, who were more religious, less educated (the two tend to correlate more than not) started moving en masse to those places and those are Erdogan's people, who never understood or agreed with ideas of secularism or western ideals.

In very rough terms - Erdogan = Kaczyński if he manages to completely disenfranchise all his political opponents.
nothanks - | 838    
12 Jul 2017  #3,706

Russia and China block G20 efforts to sanction people smugglers

An EU proposal to impose sanctions on smugglers that bring migrants from Africa was opposed by Russia and China, officials involved in the G20 talks told EURACTIV.

According to Tusk's document, and seen by EURACTIV, "the main smuggling routes and the hubs of smuggling activity are well known".

European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker recalled the Emergency Trust Fund for Africa set up by the EU last year. According to the Commission figures, the fund has €2.8 billion at its disposal.

euractiv.com/section/g20/news/russia-and-china-block-g20-efforts-to-sanction-people-smugglers
Dirk diggler 4 | 536    
17 Jul 2017  #3,707

@nothanks

Well yea of course they're going to block it... Its like a free proxy army for them. They get to destabilize Europe and profit with little to no expense what could be better. Win win situation for Russia and China. Its western Europe's fault that they were so naive and blinded by altruism at any expense. Now they have to deal with their little multi kulti failure. Yet they continue to say oh everything's fine and sweep all the issuea, crimes, riots, Islamic zones aka 'special urban zones' and Africans sleeping on matts in city centers and mugging or robbing natives and tourists. That's why this isn't Poland's problem. We didn't invite them, we didn't want them, and we won't sacrifice our security and have terrorist attacks just to appease the eu commisars who deep down know they made a terrible mistake and want to simply spread around the undesirables they let in. If they want they can send us their French doctors factory workers welders corporate types etc who actually work for their money and don't attack innocent people.

Also nearly 20% of Syrians are illiterate. Somehow I doubt that these men who flooded Europe are going to our future doctors and lawyers. For now most the migrants in Germany and Sweden are content with living off welfare. They're too pu$$y to even fight for their country and left the fighting to women and the Kurds who I hope at least gain a country after all of this.

Furthermore showering Africa with money and aid isn't going to help much. The us has been giving tens of millions in some cases hundreds of millions year after year after year to Africa. Instead of using that money for infrastructure, hospitals, schools, etc the kleptocrats, I mean African leaders, pretty much stole the money and divided it amongst their friends in government and military.
mafketis 16 | 4,508    
17 Jul 2017  #3,708

Its western Europe's fault that they were so naive and blinded by altruism at any expense

It's not just altruism, the mafia is now cashing in on the refugee scam "recent article in the financial times" and there's been a huge growth of government expenditures gobbled up by private contractors to feed and house them. It's a rotten, money grubbing scheme all the way around - a kind of modern slavery where a variety of middle men profit from funneling warm bodies into Europe and destroying lives in the process. No one who aids or abets this process has the moral high ground.
Dirk diggler 4 | 536    
17 Jul 2017  #3,709

Ngos have been shipping migrants too... Italy closed their ports to ngo ships and said go to Spain or France... However their motives appear not to be financial. Funny how even an Israeli ngo welcomed Muslims to European shores.

Criminals are opportunist capitalists it doesn't matter what the situation is or whether legal or illegal as long as you can make a lot of quick money. So that's not rly the best example .

The whole cause of this deluge was mainly Merkel and Germany's altruism and giving out welfare to everyone: come one come all - able bodied yellow males who won't fight for their country but will assault the fairer sex, terrorists, radicals, thieves, beggars, mentally ill all mixed in with the few normal families actually escaping war and terror.

Kind of made me want to put on a ninja costume I mean burqa cross the polish border and add a little to my savings, inshallah
Dirk diggler 4 | 536    
17 Jul 2017  #3,710

And now Merkel is saying there'll be no upper limit on the amount of refugees accepted which many people in here own party are against...

Go ahead take the whole African continent and middle east in if you want - that's your decision Germany. But then don't push these people on your neighbors because your sick of the terrorist attacks the crimes the billions spent on their welfare etc.

This is the exact type of stuff we don't want in poland yet its a regular occurrence in Germany
dw.com/en/rioting-breaks-out-at-festival-in-southern-german-town/a-39720315

This lady is blinded by altruism she is mother Teresa to a fault and european natives are paying the price especially those who didn't want to take in migrants
mafketis 16 | 4,508    
17 Jul 2017  #3,711

However their motives appear not to be financial.

It's very financial. Maybe not originally, but it certainly has become that. When the migrant flow was starting to dwindle they were worried about funding....

The whole cause of this deluge was mainly Merkel and Germany's altruism

Au contraire there's nothing remotely altruistic about it.
Dirk diggler 4 | 536    
17 Jul 2017  #3,712

Well at the very least id say Merkel genuinely wanted to help out refugees and migrants. There is a very pervasive sort of sentiment in German society as if they must now be ultra liberal and welcoming to atone for their sins in ww2. But yes many people hopped on the bandwagon to make $$$. The Italian guys boast they make more off housing refugees in a warehouse than they did off of drugs which now the Africans esp Nigerians have got into now in Italy n e way. They get paid some 100 eu per migrant from the government they take in but spend a fraction on just the bare necessities for em. Plus they keep em there on bogus charges to get more money or they'll beat em up to extort em. Same w other businesses Nothing really there same old model different circumstances.

As far as ngos they already get plenty of money from rich financiers governments n donations. Out of curiosity I looked into working for one to see what they paid. Their pay for analysts mid to senior managers lawyers etc is better than many $bitty corporations.
mafketis 16 | 4,508    
17 Jul 2017  #3,713

Well at the very least id say Merkel genuinely wanted to help out refugees and migrants.

Reports are it was all PR, she had the army ready to turn them back and then chickened out (she's the queen of the mood swing irrational spur of the moment decisions)

But yes many people hopped on the bandwagon to make $$$

It's slavery - money for warm bodies.
Polonius3 1,019 | 12,886    
17 Jul 2017  #3,714

westward looking, secular and sophisticated 'white Turks'

Your version of sophistication always promotes turnng one's back on one's cultural heriatgge, rootlessness, the superiority of high-crime urban areas, globalism and religion-bashing. That is all passé. For 60 years that stereotype was peddled by the mainstream leftist-liberal media and political circles. But in history everything eventually ends. Only a fool will claim that some poltical construct will last forever.
jon357 63 | 12,072    
17 Jul 2017  #3,715

Your version of

Your version of spelling deteriorates throughout the day, for reasons that are fairly obvious. In your hatred however for anything that isn't ultra-nationalist, absolutist and crammed full of you fear of change, you forget that the people you attack in that post, the 'White Turks', largely Kemalist and pro-democracy have long been staunch supporters of Poland, indeed their Istanbul Ottoman forebears were one of the very few states that never recognised the partitions of Poland, and Kemal himself was an admirer of Pilsudzki.

There are quite a few of that group living in Warsaw (they have a community centre in the west of the city) and contribute well to society, mostly being in business and the professions.
Polonius3 1,019 | 12,886    
17 Jul 2017  #3,716

Pilsudzki

I know as much about Turkish politics as you do about taht of Costa Rica or Upper Lusatia. My remark went beynd Turkish-specific particulars and was a general commemt on how you approach reality. Globalism, socialist internatioanlism (a Soviet-era buzzword!), cosmopolitanism and rootlessness are good. An appreciation of one's own cultural heritage is bad.

BTW the correct spellingis Piłsudski.
jon357 63 | 12,072    
17 Jul 2017  #3,717

I know as much about Turkish politics as you do about taht of Costa Rica or Upper Lusatia

So why comment on it?

Or were you just trying to take the thread off-topic for some arcane reason.

Globalism, socialist internatioanlism...cosmopolitanism

An appreciation of one's own cultural heritage

All good.

We'll see plenty of liberal and intellectual political refugees fleeing Erdogan's regime as long as he and his absolutist authoritarian butchers are in power. I suspect that some will come to Poland and judging by the record of those western Turks who are in Warsaw now, this is a good thing

BTW the correct spellings are "that" and "internationalism"...
Polonius3 1,019 | 12,886    
17 Jul 2017  #3,718

We'll see plenty o

We'll soon see throngs of West Europeans fleeing Merkel's and Macron's mutli-culti sh*tholes, Life there is getting less and less tolerable with all those towelheads setting up their no-go zones, preying on Christian girls and trying to take over.
jon357 63 | 12,072    
17 Jul 2017  #3,719

What a nasty thing to say. Then again, you knew that when you wrote it, didn't you.

towelheads setting up their no-go zones, preying on Christian girls and trying to take over.

Nasty
Joker - | 325    
18 Jul 2017  #3,720

Because its not the politically correct thing to say and thats why you don't like it, or perhaps it`s a reality that you're still in denial about it?

How many more terrorists attacks do you need before the Libs of Europe wake up?







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