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jon357 63 | 12,072    
22 Jun 2017  #3,661

the shipping manifest

I doubt that many of them had any sort of proof of identity, any other written document or were even able to sign their name.


JohnCAN - | 4    
22 Jun 2017  #3,662

Hi all, newbie here!!!! I just wanted to drop in and say this. Sorry for being off-topic, i'll be brief...

I'm half Polish of Kashubian stock from my moms side and i just wanted to say that when i see Poland standing up to Brussels and Germany that it fills with me pride to have ancestors from Poland.

My grandparents came to Canada as children after ww2 (didn't know each other at the time) and the verbal history i heard and learned as a child from them had shaped my life to this day. Poland has every right to stay Polish and the elites in Western Europe need to back down and learn that they don't and control Poland.

I spent 2 months in Poland before and it has honestly been my most favourite country to visit, and i've been to 30 countries.

You have the suppourt of the Polish Diaspora here in Ontario!!!!

Keep at it guys and keep your country safe!!!
Bieganski 12 | 723    
22 Jun 2017  #3,663

The migrants who helped build America largely came across legally with paperwork.

Yes they did. America was industrializing and needed the labor to support it. Approximately 25 million people emigrated from across Europe to America last century. Although reasons to leave Europe obviously varied clearly the ability to do so was well organized from regularly scheduled passenger ships leaving Europe to established immigration centers at the arrival ports of entry.

So it is simply buffoonish for anyone to claim that European migrants were illiterate, undocumented, and simply showed up unannounced.

There were jobs in the Americas. Industry needed them. The American and other government were onboard with this and facilitated it. Why didn't Europe stop the people leaving? Because there was actually a surplus of labor in Europe and there was money to be made as well from the passenger companies.

Remittances are not new and migrants to the Americas often sent money back to relatives (usually elderly parents) who stayed behind.

And the migrants were skilled. Very skilled. Countries like America, Canada and even Brazil and Argentina could never have expanded and rapidly built their cities and infrastructure if their migrants were a bunch of morons. In fact, many trades like intricate masonry, embroidery, woodcarving, etc. are now mostly lost skills in America. That sort of talent was originally brought over from Europe.

And since immigrant countries like America didn't have any state provided social safety nets at the time of mass migration from Europe it was clearly a case of only the most talented being able to survive and provide for their offspring. Unlike today where migrants are attracted to handouts and no questions asked tax avoidance for any work they decide to do. Migrants who left Europe in the last century however pretty much knew what they were getting into but were willing to accept the challenges ahead of them.

And it is a complete myth started and perpetuated by Anglocentric bigots that migrants couldn't even spell their names. Most migrants were schooled, literate, and could even do maths. Obviously not in English though. The problem therefore was when the migrants encountered English speaking immigration officials (virtually all of them with ancestry from the British Isles) who were completely ignorant of and disrespectful if not outright hostile towards other ethnic groups. That is why so many non-English speaking migrants and their descendants today (especially Poles) had their names mangled or complete changed so the English speaking majority and its officialdom at the time could be accommodated and not feel threatened.

Any name with too many consonants and more than two syllables left the English speaking Anglophile Americans and Canadians slurring and stammering as they attempted and failed to pronounce immigrant names properly and respectfully. Being too dumb and proud to learn they just bullied immigrants into conforming to their overly simplistic and boring Jane Brown and Bob Smith monikers.
spiritus 63 | 575    
22 Jun 2017  #3,664

I doubt that many of them had any sort of proof of identity, any other written document or were even able to sign their name.

Keep moving the goalposts don't you ?

First you say that very few of them would have had any paperwork but it's reasonable to assume (and could be proven if I could give a rat's arse) that all passangers that travelled by ship would have been on the shipping manifest and therefore would not have been entering the United States illegally.

No comparison with the current wave of migrants who sail to Europe on rubber boats without any paperwork at all
jon357 63 | 12,072    
22 Jun 2017  #3,665

Keep moving the goalposts don't you ?

Don't be daft.

who sail to Europe on rubber boats without any paperwork a

And you think that undertaking such a desperately dangerous journey makes a difference how?
spiritus 63 | 575    
22 Jun 2017  #3,666

So how may of these desperate migrants will you be housing ?
jon357 63 | 12,072    
22 Jun 2017  #3,667

A strange question. The answer as a tax payer is thousands, the answer on a personal level is just one family directly in the U.K. and one person here in PL. Ask me again in a couple of weeks and I'll answer you from West Africa and that answer will be again different :-)

Human desperation, its causes and what we can and can't individually and collectively do about it is an issue for us all.
Dirk diggler 4 | 536    
23 Jun 2017  #3,668

Well that's nice of you hope they too pay it forward in the future
nothanks - | 838    
23 Jun 2017  #3,669

reddit.com/r/poland

Every other day threads about returning. I'm currently mastering my Polish [finished Deutsch in University] and making the jump with my Computer Science degree. I recognize some Polaks will judge me but I am so sick of learning and experiencing other peoples history/heritage. I can be busy the rest of my life re-discovering where I was born.
Crow 133 | 5,753    
23 Jun 2017  #3,670

Poles should make Poland great again. Independent, sovereign. You have it in yourself. We Serbians helping and we will help, as always in critical moments, but, we can`t fight your wars for you. Neither we can fight your own fears for you.
Harry 76 | 13,341    
23 Jun 2017  #3,671

We Serbians helping and we will help, as always in critical moments,

Really? Where were you in 1939 and 1944? Other than collaborating with the Nazis I mean? And where are Serbs helping with regard to the flow of refugees coming to Poland as a result of war in their own country or the part of their country which they are from having been occupied by a foreign power? Your Serbian heroes are standing shoulder to shoulder with the Russian invaders of Ukraine and so are driving refugees towards Poland.
nothanks - | 838    
23 Jun 2017  #3,672

Other than collaborating with the Nazis I mean?

Settle down. I wouldn't accuse of the same. Welcome back Harry. Haven't see you in a while
Crow 133 | 5,753    
23 Jun 2017  #3,673

Really?

Yes

Where were you in 1939 and 1944?

We Serbs resisted and did our part. Chetniks were even active with Polish resistance movement. If Britain didn`t betray us, if we were stronger we could do much more for Poland. You can say that we were idiots to trust in Britain and we paid that dearly. How I heard, Poles also trusted to Britain and paid for that.

Other than collaborating with the Nazis I mean?

Lie and nonsense. We Serbs had two resistance movements- royalist Chetniks and communist Partisans.

.... Serbs helping with regard to the flow of refugees coming to Poland as a result of war

Do you have fever Harry? EU isn`t quite like Austro-Hungaria. Don`t say that you expect that some new Gavrilo assassinate some EU official?

Your Serbian heroes are standing shoulder to shoulder with the Russian invaders of Ukraine and so are driving refugees towards Poland.

Chetniks in Ukraine fights against Nazi banderists.

stick to the topic please
Crow 133 | 5,753    
30 Jun 2017  #3,674

Scary, upsetting and scandalous videos. From EU to Europeans with love

African Migrant Sneak Attack On A European Woman In Hungary

youtube.com/watch?v=pKP0qw2ADtg

Immigrants Attacking Unarmed European Women

youtube.com/watch?v=wEbisP8boXI

Muslim Refugee Attack European girls

youtube.com/watch?v=aPNjfvmvxdA
Dirk diggler 4 | 536    
1 Jul 2017  #3,675

thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=Last30

Islamic terror attack list from the last 30 days - 29 countries, 1k dead, 1.2k injured
johnny reb 13 | 2,343    
4 Jul 2017  #3,676

Austria will "very soon" impose border checks and deploy soldiers on its frontier with Italy if the influx of migrants across the Mediterranean does not slow, Vienna's defence minister was quoted as saying Monday July 3rd.

Poland understands the frustration, expense, deceases, destruction of culture, violence and ever other negative these people bring with them.
And yet Merkel is pressuring/demanding she tell Poland how to run their Country to destroy it's culture.
Dirk diggler 4 | 536    
4 Jul 2017  #3,677

Yea Austria definitely has a tad different approach to the migrant issue than Germany or France. Even these countries are getting tapped out and sick of all the attacks, economic issues, piles of garbage migrants leave in train stations and city squares, attacks on trucks crossing borders the whole lot...

Why didn't Ukrainians do these types of acts? No ones criticising them for raping women, blowing sh!t up, causing mayhem etc and 1.4 mln came to poland while apparently Germany recently welcome its 1 millionth migrant... Gee what a cause to celebrate

Our world is topsy turvy
spiritus 63 | 575    
4 Jul 2017  #3,678

And yet Merkel is pressuring/demanding she tell Poland how to run their Country to destroy it's culture.

I still fail to understand how Merkel can force Poland or any other nation to accept a quota of migrants.

The very first step is to establish if these people are genuine refugees or just migrants and that has not been proven so far. In fact, the most worrying thing is that the distinction between migrant and refugee is no longer being debated and Merkel is just bullying member states from accepting people who have NO legal justification to be in Europe in the first place
NoToForeigners 6 | 823    
4 Jul 2017  #3,679

@spiritus
Accepting those never had any justification at all. They could easily find shelter in other Eastern Asian countries sometimes the very next country they border with. Very few Poles escaped the communism by fleeing to culturally different countries like the Muslim ones. Most went into other Christian and European-like countries. Merkel and the rest of EU criminals should force Iran, Quatar, Saudi Arabia, etc. let refugees in.
Dirk diggler 4 | 536    
4 Jul 2017  #3,680

@spiritus

She can't and won't... No one is forcing droves of people we don't want into poland. Well give up money before security anyway.
jgrabner 1 | 22    
4 Jul 2017  #3,681

I still fail to understand how Merkel can force Poland or any other nation to accept a quota of migrants

there was a decision by the EU in September 2015:
theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/22/eu-governments-divisive-quotas-deal-share-120000-refugees

the Czech Republic, Hungary, Romania and Slovakia all voted against a mandatory quota, while Poland deserted its regional allies to side with a decision pushed by Germany and France.

and soon after that, PO lost the elections. It would not have changed the outcome of the vote though since the 55/65 quote would have been met even with Poland being against.
Polonius3 1,019 | 12,886    
4 Jul 2017  #3,682

Poland deserted its regional allies

YEs, but that was not the real Poland. That was the scamsterish Platformer bastard of the roundtable clique. Fortunately, that defunct reigme is now history!
delphiandomine 80 | 15,668    
4 Jul 2017  #3,683

No ones criticising them for raping women, blowing sh!t up, causing mayhem etc

Oh, the ONR are against Ukrainians. There's been a few acts of violence towards them, and threats made in places like Przemyśl and Wrocław.
Harry 76 | 13,341    
4 Jul 2017  #3,684

the ONR are against Ukrainians.

I'm looking forward to the prices of cheap flights to/from Ukraine falling to the levels seen for flights to/from the UK. I'd gladly put my hand in my pocket to fund the trip of a few members of the Azov debating team so they could discuss with some members of the Wroclaw ONR that organisation's stance with regard to migrants and asylum seekers from Ukraine.
spiritus 63 | 575    
4 Jul 2017  #3,685

theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/22/eu-governments-divisive-quotas-deal-share-120000-refugees

Yes and when you read the article it only refers to "refugees" which proves my point. The terms "refugees" and "migrants" have become interchangeable that media outlets, forum members and even EU bureaucrats swap and change from one term to another without caring that they each mean something completely different.

You cannot impose a quote of migrants onto a country and if they are refugees then checks need to be made to ensure they are genuine refugees and not just migrants who have "accidentally" lost their paperwork.

Another thing-look at the image from that Guardian article-do you see any women in that group? Is there no such thing as female refugees from these countries ??
Dirk diggler 4 | 536    
4 Jul 2017  #3,686

@spiritus

Migrants and refugees are not the same thing and never will be.

A real refugee does not care what country he ends up or where he'll get the most money by bilking the welfare system. Instead a real refugees first goal is to escape into any country that is safer than the one hes in.

There's a million refugees, real refugees, in Lebanon alone from Syria and a few from Iraq. For a poor country they've been an absolutely gracious host. Its a shame wealthy gulf states like Kuwait Qatar uae saudi Arabia are not accepting refugees . the Saudis said that its too much of a security risk.
dudar - | 26    
5 Jul 2017  #3,687

The real refugees simply got lost in the flows of migrants and that make their identification harder. Illegal workers and migrants from Ukraine also a headache for the authorities and they commit less crimes just because their numbers at the moment do not exceed the amount of Muslim migrants in Europe.
Polonius3 1,019 | 12,886    
5 Jul 2017  #3,688

"migrants"

Poles prefer ot leave the EU rather than be forced to accept illegal Muslim aliens.
polsatnews.pl/wiadomosc/2017-07-05/sondaz-polacy-wola-opuscic-unie-europejska-niz-przyjac-uchodzcow-z-krajow-muzulmanskich

The latest Polityka (post-commie weekly) has published an Ibris poll showing that
56.5% of Poles woudl prefer to lose EU funds rather than accept Muslim immigrants. 51.% would actually prefer to leave the EU rather than open its doors to Muslim hordes. Anyone who cannot understand that is out of sync with the Polish spirit. This is not about "helping refugees" but about destroying European society.
Dirk diggler 4 | 536    
5 Jul 2017  #3,689

@delphiandomine

Onr is a small group and even less people that will openly carry out violence

I don't believe they hold a single seat in parliament or any other high government jobs.
Dirk diggler 4 | 536    
5 Jul 2017  #3,690

We welcomed Chinese Koreans Germans 1.4 mln Ukrainians 120k in wroclaw alone west French Africans nigerians Chechens indians and ppl from all over but poles are simply too scared of turning into France who's been under state of emergency on and off for almost 2 years. There are entire neighborhoods out of Paris that go up in flames and tons of property destroyed when Muslims riot for example like during the Palestine demonstration. We simply don't want the security risk or economic damage from terrorist attacks or violent riots. The small amount of muslim migrants that came from Chechnya or fee Iraqi Christian families assimilated and there's been 1.4 mln work permits issued to Ukrainians. Where was the 'solidarity' in helping ukranians?. Now they want to tell us who we shouldn't and shouldn't take in? We didn't cause this problem and paying for America's Italy's germanys Frances mistakes sets a slippery slope.




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