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Poland under pressure of EU to accept more asylum seeking refugees



Dirk diggler 4 | 833    
8 Jun 2017  #3,601

Well he's not very religious and I know for a fact he likes white girls the most lol. As far as marrying a non Muslim I don't know I'll ask him. I'm guessing hed say he probably wouldn't care but to make passing down cultural and religious identity to his kids, he may prefer a paki Muslim woman. Im the same way - I don't care what her nationality or religion is. If the girls hot ill leave her out of breath just like any other. As long as she doesn't shout Allah akbar at the end... However as far as marriage ill most likely marry a polish woman. Itd be just to make things easier if we have kids - teach them polish, go to polish mass on Sundays, etc. Some kids coming from multiracial marraiges don't have any identity issues but some feel as if they can't identify with either the dads race/religion/etc or the moms. They thus feel alienated, lonely, etc.

You are right though - many of the Muslims who have assimilated and adapted into their new European society don't want a whole sudden deluge of migrants. Its the same way in the us - some Mexicans feel as if there's already enough in the us. Others simply dont care while the more radical imams (there's a video online of this particular sermon) say that Muslims will continue to flood Europe and simply outbreed Europeans. He goes on to say how European men are infertile and that European women thus will search for Muslim men.


Crow 136 | 5,904    
8 Jun 2017  #3,602

No offence Crow but please-enough with the Serbian stuff.

No problem. May I now continue? I can

You know pane, Poland can`t endure this without Serbia. See, for many years already, I nicely telling to Poles what is EU. For years they tolerated my stories. No, not that they trusted me, God forgive them, just, in their good souls they have that sympathy for us Serbians and they gave me right to speak and so they tolerated me. But, now they themselves founded out what is EU and they now know, many sh** from EU yet to come. Now my Polish brothers and sisters sound as Serbians. Actually, even official Poland starting to sound as official Serbia. I elaborated that already. What we see now is causal connection of Serbians and Poles. Meaning, when Serbs are attacked, Poles must brace themselves because, they know they are next.
mafketis 16 | 4,685    
8 Jun 2017  #3,603

Poland can`t endure this without Serbia

I assure you, Poland and Serbia can do okay without each other. What Serbians really need are Albanians and Turks to give their puny, little, insignificigant country some illusion of meaning.
Crow 136 | 5,904    
8 Jun 2017  #3,604

mafketise, I hope that your grandmother likes what you write here. I know that my grandmother liked my posts. She enjoyed.
Dirk diggler 4 | 833    
8 Jun 2017  #3,605

Serbia is larger and more wealthy than Albania... By far.. Plus serbs allied with Albanians is about as likely as Poland allying with russia. Best we can hope for is that they at least respect each other and don't kill one another.

Vice in Kosovo:
youtu.be/Z5pEa1KPR08

Part 5 shows the reporter attempting to access some Bosnian village known for having some residents involved or sympathizing with terrorist groups
Crow 136 | 5,904    
8 Jun 2017  #3,606

reporter attempting to access some Bosnian village known for having some residents involved or sympathizing with terrorist groups

Its one of those villages in Bosnia where NATO and EU sponsored settling of mujaheedines from Islamic league after Civil War in former Yugoslavia was over. As Polonius3 likes to say- its probably in order to bring something fresh in monotonous Slavic sea.
Dirk diggler 4 | 833    
8 Jun 2017  #3,607

Gorna majorca is the village shown in this video.

Also the mujahideen that came to Bosnia are international. They go wherever the fight is. You have Saudis in afghanistan, Uzbeks in iraq, tunisians in syria, even a Canadian dude in boko haram. I'm sure a few settled in Bosnia but generally mujahideen travel to wherever their superiors tell them to.

NATO used them as a proxy pawn. The fervor of people not wishing to have America as the police of the world was very high at the time. Most Americans didn't want an intervention in Serbia. Also Clinton was very embarrassed because this was the same time as the Lewinsky scandal. Hence they funded and armed proxies in Bosnia as you cannot win a war with only air superiority.
Crow 136 | 5,904    
8 Jun 2017  #3,608

Ultimately, as we would see, these mujaheediens are to be used against Poland. What then?

As I remembered well, Jan Lopuzanski of right winged Catholic patriots in Polish parliament (BDW most loyal Poles to the old alliance with Serbians), back in 1999 year, when NATO attacked Serbia, raised his voice against attack on Serbs and severely warned that /citation/ ``Same as NATO attacking Serbs today, it would attack Poles tomorrow.``

I think that Lopuzanski was right. Those who wants Serbians to drop dead, also wants Poles to drop dead.
Dirk diggler 4 | 833    
9 Jun 2017  #3,609

If that happens crow you'll see my spikey hair on the front lines in Poland. However I don't think there's any imminent danger from mujahideen or any terrorist group to Poland. Just because a polish flag was displayed alongside some 70 others in an Isis video doesn't mean they're planning an attack.

An attack on Poland would be extremely difficult to pull off, would have little to no propaganda value, and doesn't really advance any of their political goals. In order to stage a terrorist attack, a group would first have to set up an operational cell and have logistical support. A small group of Muslim men that keeps only to themselves is going to arouse a ton of suspicion in Poland. Remember when some Muslim dudes tried to buy an ak in Gdansk? Instead of the pole selling the gun he called the cops on them. And believe me poles will try all sorts of different ways to get money - kombinowanie is in our blood. However, in that case the seller didn't care about the money. Even if the local or federal police isn't constantly monitoring some Muslim foreigners, surely the nosy neighbors and babcie are. Then they'd have to get guns or explosives into the country or settle for a car driving down pedestrians. That'd really be the only type of attack they could pull off. So at best itd be a crazy lone wolf but not like a coordinated group effort with leaders from al Qaeda Isis whatever overseeing the cell.
mafketis 16 | 4,685    
9 Jun 2017  #3,610

Well he's not very religious and I know for a fact he likes white girls the most l

You misunderstand. You're basing your judgement of his beliefs on very superficial criteria and superficial interactions. More than once I've seen seemingly tolerant Pakistanis lose their sh1t when asked about the Ahmadis (persecuted in Pakistan as heretics).

Similarly the issue of what he'd do if his sister (for example) wanted to marry a non-muslim man tends to be.... revealing.

There used to be a couple of posters here who rambld on about how Poland should accept middle eastern "refugees" because they've had pleasant, superficial social interactions with muslims. But those kinds of interactions say nothing of real attitudes and ability to integrate long term.
Dirk diggler 4 | 833    
9 Jun 2017  #3,611

Well I know he has no issue with shias Catholics bahai or any other group. His sister is educated but I don't know her dating habits. Like I said, they came from the cream of Pakistan so they're more open than your average paki villager who gets all their info from the local imam or even the average male migrant from the Muslim world. I will ask him though out of curiosity.

I'm not debating that there is an issue of radicalizatoon, severe degradation of women and violence within Islam. Hell many Islamic countries didn't even abandon slavery till the mid 1900s and it was mainly due to British pressure.

Even if say just .01% of all Muslims are themselves terrorists, sympathizers, financial supporters etc that means out of 1 million migrants you have 10,000 people that can severely harm a continent. Now according to certain thinktanks, like gatestone institute and SITE, in certain middle east and North African countries the percent of people who feel suicide bombings are justifiable are as high as 20%% plus. Egypt ranked at the very top of this list which surprised me as usually one doesn't equate Egypt as a country where a significant portion population sympathize with terrorist m.o.'s like blowing themselves and others up.
mafketis 16 | 4,685    
9 Jun 2017  #3,612

Hell many Islamic countries didn't even abandon slavery till the mid 1900s and it was mainly due to British pressure.

Slavery is not condemned in the koran (and muslim majority countries often have no other foundation for making moral valued judgements) and many arab countries practice de facto slavery (domestic servants in the Gulf countries are treated as slaves whatever their legal status technically is.
Dirk diggler 4 | 833    
9 Jun 2017  #3,613

True same with the Indian and Bangladeshi workers they hire for building projects. Apparently sheikh mo of the UAE is making some small steps to correct this I.e. a hotline, some inspections, etc. Nonetheless, unions and strikes remain illegal. That in my opinion is what a union should be for. Here they are used as a tool of blackmail - especially the teachers union. The average salary for a teacher in my suburb was over $110k prior to their last big strike (some 3 4 years ago). Basically they threw a hissy fit and demanded more money and refused to teach the children till they got it. Im sure the kids loved being off school for weeks all of a sudden but the tax paying parents weren't too thrilled. It wasn't even time for them to renegotiate their contract - they merely decided to strike and ask for more money because other districts were too.

This discussion should focus on Poland
spiritus 63 | 593    
14 Jun 2017  #3,614

So it appears that the EU has started legal proceedings against Poland (and others) in it's stance against immigration.

This could get very interesting....
Dirk diggler 4 | 833    
14 Jun 2017  #3,615

Germany and France stated that they're willing to negotiate on some aspects of the 0
delphiandomine 82 | 15,960    
14 Jun 2017  #3,616

So it appears that the EU has started legal proceedings against Poland (and others) in it's stance against immigration.

This might well be a dangerous game for PiS. Hungary and the Czech Republic can easily be persuaded to change their minds if the deal on offer is a huge amount of cash that would normally have gone to Poland.

Having said that, the smart money is on Tusk negotiating something that works for everyone. Poland will then refuse to sign the deal, leaving Poland (again) isolated.
mafketis 16 | 4,685    
14 Jun 2017  #3,617

Having said that, the smart money is on Tusk negotiating something that works for everyone

Any deal is a pretty fiction meant to save Merkel's political bacon. There's no way that Poland (or Hungary or the CR) can keep people agains their will. They'll all just head back to Germany, respell their names and get back on the Deutsche sugardaddy roll.

Until someone can explain what will happen to accepting countries when the "refugees" don't hang around the whole thing is stupid theater that no civilized party should participate in.
gumishu 10 | 4,487    
14 Jun 2017  #3,618

the smart money is on Tusk negotiating something that works for everyone

you made me laugh hahaha
spiritus 63 | 593    
14 Jun 2017  #3,619

On a legal basis then Poland could well have a reasonable argument to make.

Can the EU prove beyond reasonable doubt that the "refugees" are genuine refugees or simply "migrants" ? If it is the latter then I would love to see how any court in the world can insist that a country accept non-EU migrants.
mafketis 16 | 4,685    
15 Jun 2017  #3,620

I would love to see how any court in the world can insist that a country accept non-EU migrants.

The EU is steadily evolving into a central government (EU institutions, the governments of Germany and France) that formulates policy that the periphery (member states) are expected to carry out no questions asked. It's past its peak as a formation capable of improving citizen lives and now primarily exists as job creation program for bureaucrats and unrealistic social planning. The UK has the right idea.

Again, even if Poland went along with these plans

- is Poland then expected to keep these people _in_ Poland?
If so, then how is Poland supposed to keep them when there's no border infrastructure to monitor their movement?
What repurcussions would Poland suffer for not keeping them in the country?

Until those questions are answered there's not a single reason that this should even be proposed. Unless it's all PR for domestic German purposes to put a little lipstick on Mama Merkel's pig of a "refugee" policy).
Polonius3 1,022 | 13,067    
15 Jun 2017  #3,621

Tusk negotiating something

The only thing careerist "warm-tapwater" Donny Boy is concerned about is sticking out his EU stint without rocking the boat and then making a presidential bid in Poland. If he continues his overtly anti-Polish policy, rather than vote for him most Poles will prefer to see him tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail.
Polonius3 1,022 | 13,067    
15 Jun 2017  #3,622

EU is steadily evolving into a central government

That is the overt aim of all those calling for more EU integration. So far at least they are still a but reluctant to call it the United States of Europe or the European Federation, but what's in a name?! Hey, how about the Autonomous States of Brusselonia?
delphiandomine 82 | 15,960    
15 Jun 2017  #3,623

- is Poland then expected to keep these people _in_ Poland?

No. This is the thing that PiS failed to appreciate or even understand. PO were going to take them in with big smiles, knowing that most of them would immediately cross the border. The same happened in other countries like Estonia and Latvia, and these countries have done very very little to track them.

The most sensible thing to do would have been to take them in, give them a rail pass and a map of the rail network. What they do from there is none of our business.
dolnoslask 1 | 1,165    
15 Jun 2017  #3,624

PO were going to take them in with big smiles, knowing that most of them would immediately cross the border.

But this is exactly what you would expect from a party of scamsters, at least the current government is taking this to the courts of justice and dealing with the matter in the correct way, now do you see why we voted for this government and not a bunch of swindlers.
Polonius3 1,022 | 13,067    
15 Jun 2017  #3,625

not a bunch of swindlers.

Amen!
Dirk diggler 4 | 833    
15 Jun 2017  #3,626

Poles are gradually getting use to having foreigners amongst their midst - chinese and Korean tourists, Indian and s. Asian it workers, Portuguese and Spanish senior level bank workers, Ukrainians working in agriculture and restaurants, etc. However they don't want to be told by someone thousands of kilometers away how to run their country, who they should let in and not let in, etc. Also they don't want to have terrorist attacks. Looks like yet another one occurred in France. To my understanding there will be a referendum taking place if Poland is fined for not taking in migrants (I still don't understand why they're being fined when they let in some million plus ukranians as well as a handful of Chechen and Georgian asylum seekers. Imo, telling someone to accept people of a certain race or religion is racist. So ukranians fleeing war and poverty don't count but Ghanaians, afghanis, Iraqis etc do? I don't quite see the difference - only a small percent in both cases are fleeing war and the majority are economic migrants). Most poles seem to be open to foreigners but are weary of those from certain areas as the terrorist attacks from the past few years were majority Sunnis. Its understandable but if the government did in fact take in their share of the quota they have to at least tell the population that these new comers from the m.e. will be vetted, monitored, and provided services like polish language services, perhaps an entry level job, schooling, etc.

The thing is the majority of the Muslim migrants that came to Poland and czechy left for Germany due to their very generous welfare system. However some did stay. I read about an Iraqi Christian family that migrated to poland, the father works for Lot, and generally they seem to be assimilating.

If Poland does take in Muslim migrants they have to be vetted, assimilated and spread evenly throughout the country so it's not a free for all and special urban zones like in France dont pop up. Police should keep tabs on them too so that terrorist cells don't pop up. Call it discriminatory or whatever but if you have nothing to hide you shouldn't care. If I moved to Poland I wouldn't care if the cops showed up to make sure there's no ak47s or explosives in the closet. That's just me though.. Others may perceive it as a gross privacy violation, discriminating against new comers, etc.

From what I've gathered from most poles I've spoken to here is that they'd prefer to pay the 2 bil eu fine than take middle eastern migrants in. Again though i don't understand why there's even this debate. Surely at least 5k out of the 1 mil plus ukranians that came in were from donetsk dobass luhansk and are legit refugees rather than economic migrants.

Well at the end of the day it's polish peoples country and the majority will decide what course the country will take and who will lead them.
mafketis 16 | 4,685    
15 Jun 2017  #3,627

If Poland does take in Muslim migrants

one problem is that no western european country has had what any objective observer could reasonably call 'success' with large scale muslim immigration - how dare they tell other countries how to behave!
Dirk diggler 4 | 833    
15 Jun 2017  #3,628

Depends how you define success... If its making the society more diverse than yes they've succeeded. If its making the country safer and decreasing the amount of terrorist attacks, regardless of who committed them, they have not. Originally they were suppose to be the answer to a declining birth rate and a cheap labor force. That'd be fine if that were really the cAse but a huge chunk of migrants came to take advantage of the welfare system. Yes ma y do work and are well assimilated aspect the Turks in Germany that came several decades ago. Also yes many of the new migrants that came want to work and do work but nonetheless a significant chunk came to take advantage of welfare.

Germans, generally speaking of course, tend to like helping others and are rather selfless. However, many who previously welcomed migrants from Africa and m.e. are now more cautious especially after all the attacks. Also the whole Nye cologne situation didn't help.

There is a great documentary by HBO vice tired something like 'the night that changed Germans opinions on migrants' referring to the cologne Nye incident. I find vice to be center left but still pretty objective and its worth watching
spiritus 63 | 593    
15 Jun 2017  #3,629

The most sensible thing to do would have been to take them in, give them a rail pass and a map of the rail network.

Not a bad idea actually !!

If Poland were forced to accept them then they should settle them in a Polish town right on the Polish-German border :)

If Poland does take in Muslim migrants they have to be vetted

The definition of "refugee" and "migrant" has to be decided before any country is forced to accept a quota of foreigners. Is it me or isn't that just common sense ????

If they are a bona fide refugee then that's a slightly different argument but if they are migrants from outside the EU then case closed in my opinion
delphiandomine 82 | 15,960    
15 Jun 2017  #3,630

If Poland were forced to accept them then they should settle them in a Polish town right on the Polish-German border :)

That's what sane people were suggesting all along. It can even be justified because "they can go shopping in Germany for food that they can't get in Poland".

They vanish into Germany? Oh well...that's Germany's job to find them, Poland can't be expected to hunt people down abroad :) And if they actually want to stay in PL, then they're probably worth keeping anyway.




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