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Tuskites and Poland's ex-commies? PO-SLD coalition?


Polonius3 994 | 12,367
23 Jun 2013 #1
One of the worst possible scenarios for Poland has been the topic of behind-the-scenes talks between PM Tusk and ex-commie Miller. In recent weeks they have met on more than one occasion, according to weekly Wprost, to discuss possible post-election scenarios including a PO-SLD coalition. The two parties have ceased attacking one another, observers have noted.

It was already their next meeting recently. Of course, without a clear declaration , but both of them think what they will . When the elections and how they form a government after antypisowski - admits the source of " On " . Both politicians have long not to attack , and in a recent interview for " Policy " the prime minister did not rule out post-election coalition with the SLD. - Tusk likes to talk with Miller , he lacks serious interlocutors - the following caller weekly .
delphiandomine 88 | 18,163
23 Jun 2013 #2
In recent weeks they have met on more than one occasion, according to weekly Wprost, to discuss possible post-election scenarios including a PO-SLD coalition.

Which is sensible. The nature of Polish politics is such that coalition building is important, and given that Polish politics has tended to swing between centre-right and centre-left, it makes sense to prepare for all possibilities.

Don't kid yourself that Tusk hasn't spoken to Ziobro at some point off the record about seizing control of PiS after the election and forming a coalition with PO.
pawian 221 | 24,014
23 Jun 2013 #3
to discuss possible post-election scenarios including a PO-SLD coalition.

You should have mentioned that they are seriously considering earlier elections to keep power (Tusk) or gain it (Miller).

Polo, it is time to start a new thread: SNAP ELECTIONS in Poland 2013?

I am giving you time till Monday. If you don`t start it, I will.

It is my last warning. :):):):)
OP Polonius3 994 | 12,367
23 Jun 2013 #4
But a coalition with a Katyń conspirator, one of Jaruzelski's henchmen, a senior member of the KC PZPR, the party that murdered Poles in 1970, 1981 and throughout the '80s and most recently blocked a resolution honouring one of their vivtims, Grzegorz Przemyk?! No way José! Lord willing, PiS will find a way to absorb or merge with or create a new political entity enjoying the backing of supporters of PiS, Gowin's PO break-away group, Ziobro, PJN and possibny also the newly emerging Republicans and National Movement. If only they could overcome their petty bickering for the gretaer good, they could create a unstoppable force capable of building the Fourth Polish Republic and giving a decisive rebuff to all the lefties, libbies and anarcho-libertines that threaten the Polish nation's very fabric.
goofy_the_dog
23 Jun 2013 #5
Nooo! Pol, pis should not invite the traitors! Join up with republicans and national movement.. If the situation would be critical then possibly sp... But not the pjn, stupid sellouts!
jon357 74 | 21,779
23 Jun 2013 #6
I'd be careful describing the former Prime Minister as a 'Katyń conspirator', Polonius. Although he's apparently a forgiving person, his party's lawyers might not be.
goofy_the_dog
23 Jun 2013 #7
Polo watch out bro poland is still under heavy commie regime.. And boy do they hate ppl that speak the truth!
sobieski 106 | 2,118
23 Jun 2013 #8
As far as I know, Poland is a democratically governed country, a parliamentary democracy where the government is made of parties elected during the last elections, where 70% of the voters did not vote like PIS wanted.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,163
23 Jun 2013 #9
Lord willing, PiS will find a way to absorb or merge with or create a new political entity enjoying the backing of supporters of PiS, Gowin's PO break-away group, Ziobro, PJN and possibny also the newly emerging Republicans and National Movement.

Seems rather far fetched. PJN (who are all but dead anyway) would never agree to work with those Ruch Narodowy clowns, Gowin would never ever ever work with the trade unionist supporting part of PiS and Ziobro would want Kaczynski's head as a price of his support.

If only they could overcome their petty bickering for the gretaer good, they could create a unstoppable force capable of building the Fourth Polish Republic and giving a decisive rebuff to all the lefties, libbies and anarcho-libertines that threaten the Polish nation's very fabric.

Unstoppable?

Fortunately, Polish voters, who have consistently rejected such ideologies would never support such a venture.

Nooo! Pol, pis should not invite the traitors! Join up with republicans and national movement.. If the situation would be critical then possibly sp... But not the pjn, stupid sellouts!

And Goofy shows why such a coalition can't work. The compromises needed would be incredible - even Gowin's support would require the ditching of supporting Solidarność - which would send the "moustache" support straight into the arms of a new political party.

I'd be careful describing the former Prime Minister as a 'Katyń conspirator', Polonius. Although he's apparently a forgiving person, his party's lawyers might not be.

Indeed. While PolishForums might not be liable for such posts, the poster certainly is.

Polo watch out bro poland is still under heavy commie regime

Could you provide some proof for your claims, given that you weren't even alive when Communism ended?

As far as I know, Poland is a democratically governed country, a parliamentary democracy where the government is made of parties elected during the last elections, where 70% of the voters did not vote like PIS wanted.

And where voters are still showing around the same 70% rejecting PiS and their ideology.
sobieski 106 | 2,118
23 Jun 2013 #10
Polo watch out bro poland is still under heavy commie regime.. And boy do they hate ppl that speak the truth!

And a country where the President is democratically elected as well, I would like to add. I have no doubt that he will be reelected.
OP Polonius3 994 | 12,367
23 Jun 2013 #11
'Katyń conspirator'

Did Miller and his ilk (Kwaśniewski & Co.) not engage in the Katyń conspiracy of silence as well as the great Katyń lie, not for a year or two or three, but for entire decades?
Harry
23 Jun 2013 #12
Did they Polonius? Can you prove it? No, you can't; if you could, you'd write it up with your real name attached to it.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,163
23 Jun 2013 #13
Did Miller and his ilk (Kwaśniewski & Co.) not engage in the Katyń conspiracy of silence as well as the great Katyń lie, not for a year or two or three, but for entire decades?

I would be very very careful if I were you Polonius. Polish politicians are no strangers to hauling people up in court over such statements.
pawian 221 | 24,014
23 Jun 2013 #14
Did Miller and his ilk (Kwaśniewski & Co.) not engage in the Katyń conspiracy of silence as well as the great Katyń lie, not for a year or two or three, but for entire decades?

Yes, they did.
Miller became a member of communist party in 1969.

Did they Polonius? Can you prove it? No, you can't; if you could, you'd write it up with your real name attached to it.

If you become a member of the communist party and then go on and are promoted to higher and higher ranks, it is natural that you have to take part in Katyń conspiracy of silence, as Polo said.

I never voted those red swines. They built and supported the communist dictatorship which had blood on its hands.

Leszek Miller started his political career as an activist of the Socialist Youth Union, where he held the position of Chairman of the Plant Board, soon becoming a member of the Town Committee. After the military service, in 1969, he joined the Polish United Workers' Party (PZPR).

In 1973-1974, Leszek Miller was the Secretary of the PZPR Plant Committee. With granted Party's recommendation, he started political sciences studies at the Party's Higher School of Political Sciences (Wyższa Szkoła Nauk Społecznych), graduating in 1977. After graduation, Leszek Miller worked at the PZPR Central Committee, supervising the Group, and later on the Department of Youth, Physical Education and Tourism.

In July 1986, Leszek Miller was elected the 1st Secretary of the PZPR Provincial Committee in Skierniewice. In December 1988, he returned to Warsaw, due to his promotion to the position of the Secretary of the PZPR Central Committee. As a representative of the government side, he took part in the session of the historic "Round Table", where, together with Andrzej Celiński, he co-chaired the sub-team for youth issues (the only one that closed the session without signing the agreement). In 1989, he became member of the PZPR Political Bureau.


I would be very very careful if I were you Polonius. Polish politicians are no strangers to hauling people up in court over such statements.

In this case their case would be lost completely. Polo told the truth and nobody can prosecute him for that. I can even repeat - all today`s leftist politicians who made careers in communist system are red swines who took part in Katyn conspiracy of silence. Katyn was utter taboo for communists for decades after WW2. Anybody who would have tried to break the silence and expose Soviet lies, would be finished.
OP Polonius3 994 | 12,367
23 Jun 2013 #15
hauling people up in court

I seems you have graduated from web-stalking to intimidation.
OP Polonius3 994 | 12,367
23 Jun 2013 #17
The wife of one of the Soldidarity underground fugitives told me the SB kept questioning her about her husband's whereabouts and saying things like. 'You've got a 12-year-old dauhgter who walks to and from every day, And you certainly know that traffic accidents can occur.'

That too was 'merely' a statement of fact. The totalitarian-minded are deft at hints that are veiled threats and attempts at intimidation.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,163
23 Jun 2013 #18
The wife of one of the Soldidarity underground fugitives told me the SB kept questioning her about her husband's whereabouts and saying things like. 'You've got a 12-year-old dauhgter who walks to and from every day, And you certainly know that traffic accidents can occur.'

How can you compare such things with a reminder that those who post libellous comments online are not immune from prosecution?
OP Polonius3 994 | 12,367
23 Jun 2013 #19
How can you compare such things

All the SB did was to graciously 'remind' the mother what migth occur. Wypadki chodzą po ludziach -- as it were!


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