Tusk or Hollande -- a Salomonic dilemma? What will be better for Poland?

It's well known that Jarek has little to no knowledge of how foreign affairs works. He's rarely been abroad, and his 'schemes' simply don't work in the EU. It seems to me (and as is reported widely) - the whole thing was about a personal grudge, and he pushed it despite the overwhelming evidence that it was going to backfire badly.

I wouldn't be surprised if this incident is the one that goes down as the moment that the PiS government started to fall. Schetyna looked relaxed and excited yesterday, Nowoczesna are signalling that they will cooperate heavily with PO in the local elections to keep PiS out, and PO are closing the gap now. The danger is that PiS might become even more radicalised if they start to face a loss in 2019.

He is inept like this whole shower of pis government. People are starting to see how much damage these jokers are doing. The few good ideas they have were overshadowed by the rest. The Hungarian guy is even dumber. They are all heading for a painful end. My prediction now way before next election is their massive landslide defeat.

In the mind of The Dear Leader Chairman Kaczynski, so what? He has plenty of other puppets who will say whatever they are told to say and will sign whatever they are told to sign; if the puppets you mention are no longer of use to him, he can replace them but the show will go on.


Actually he's a lot smarter. Orban is only interested in remaining in power and having the funds to bribe enough of the right people to ensure that happens, he has no actual principles. The PiSlamic State, however, has grand dreams and plans, most of which are centred around revenge and self-enrichment.

What people? There are the same people from the start - sore looser. They perception hasn't changed.

Its rather opposite people see PO and other clowns for what they really are i.e. traitors and lackeys of the foreign powers, and forces who act only in their own interest are corrupted to the core and have nothing to offer to the general populace.

It is clear that Tusk is no representative of Poland in anyway, and that is a good thing. Also it is a good thing that people in Poland could see the EU unelected bodies disregarding Poland in their decisions. They can see the EU for a nefarious force that is not good for Poland.

People have been saying this for so long, and as predicted, PiS are digging themselves into a big hole. As things stand now, Tusk would probably win a presidential election.

Moment is perfect for Poland to be defiant. Impotent western Europe, that behave crazy as Tesla`s electricity, can`t truly harm Poland. Virtually, western Europe can blow Poland`s d**k or lick Poland`s v****a (I`m not sexist, so I leave free choice to preferences).

I literally have tears of laughter rolling down my face right now! After getting outvoted 27 to 1, the PiSlamic State actually tried to block the result from being published by refusing to sign the text! LOL!


euobserver.com/political/137190

But the text was published anyway with the following wording on the first page:

"The European Council deliberated on the attached document. It was supported by 27 members of the European Council, but it did not gather consensus, for reasons unrelated to its substance.

References to the European Council in the attached document should not be read as implying a formal endorsement by the European Council acting as an institution."

The article goes on to say:


But of course in reality the snub was for the PiSlamic State, not Poland.

The bad losers reaction to this - the consensus of 27 democratically elected leaders - has been hilarious.

Of course Szydlo was put in an intolerable position by the PIS political council - why such a body decides on the mandate of the democratically elected PM is beyond me and clearly the other 27 people in the room are able to make their own decisions without sending an SMS to some eminence grise every time they need the bathroom

Too bad Tusk wasn't re-elected democratically but ran unopposed in the best traditon of Hitler and Stalin. Poland's official candidate was not allowed to present his case. This type of pseudo-democracy, stage-directed by the Merkels, Schulzes, Junckers, Timmermanses and Tusks, was one of the reasons for Brexit in the first place. Poland did not cause Brexit, nor the Greek crisis nor the migrant crisis and resulting terrorism concerns. But Poland had the courage of its convictions in the face of adversity and quite crude moral blackmail. "You have your principles, we have the money," Hollande (who has a support level of 4% in France) told Szydło. All in all, this was Poland's hour of triumph in apparent defeat. The way the 27 voted reflected their recognition that Germany runs the show and in the short run they know who buttters their bread. Whether the overall outcome will strengthen or further weaken the EU in the long run remains to be seen.

Again, you are such a commie tool.

This is straight out of Fidel Casto's playbook called "turning defeat into victory", never admit defeat and trumpet any setback as a great victory until the people believe (if they know what's good for them).

Why don't you just call yourself PRLonius3?

Yes. People here have been celebrating Donald Tusk's reappointment

It will strengthen the EU - an experienced and pragmatic centrist to help steady the ship and a clear signal to all the tinpot 1930's types that there will be no more games - they must accept the responsibilities as well as the benefits of membership.

Saryusz-Wolski case was presented to many member states in bilateral meetings by Szydlo and her pathetic foreign minister - everyone they met probably left scratching their head and wondering why the real boss did not come to visit them.

Poland needs to leave the bad ship EU.

Right wingers in Germany are saying much the same, England's already taken the (DANGEROUS!!!!) first step into unchartered trading waters, France is thinking about following, Italy etc..

Europa, quo vadis???

How do you explain the fact that Jarosław Kaczyński runs unopposed for leadership of PiS every 3 years, then?

Are you, in fact, comparing Jarek to Stalin and Hitler?

Vrana are you aware that the grandfather of Donald Tusk Jozef Tusk was an SS officer and served in the Wehrmacht during WWII?

As the saying goes, the apple does not fall further from the tree. Different era, but the selling out of Polish national interests remains the same. Tusk continues the family tradition.



Deda Donalda Tuska bio pripadnik Vermahta tokom Drugog svetskog rata!?
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Krv nije voda.

.......... whatchyo smoking bro? I'd like some o' that too!!

A party is effectvely a private organisation and can elect or appoint its officials in anyway it chooses. Not so an international organisaiton, especially one that is constantly paying lip service to democracy, democratic rule, etc.

If I recall, that allegation was produced by Jacek Kurski but later debunked. I'm not 100% sure and don't intend to Google it. Chekc with some of FP's Holy Scrollers.

EU have Poland exactly where EU wants Poland. You Poles are in deep s***, my sisters and brothers, to tell it simplistically.

Be advised. I mentioned already on this forum, in some other threads that Poland isolating itself from other Visegrad group countries. And look at this voting for Tusk. Non of Visegrad group countries supported Poland`s requests. Not even Hungary. So, what is this all about. Let me tell you. Politics of official Poland isn`t coherent. EU always puts Poland in situation to accept negative choices, what demand greater internal consultations, having in mind deep anti-Polish nature of EU`s policy. So Poland tries to found some acceptable answer on situations. In the meanwhile, EU (and NATO) have Poland where they want Poland to be. In constant state of confusion and internal political turmoil.

Let me just remind you how Polish politics reacted when EU forced Poland to recognize Kosovo separation from Serbia. When was needed that Poland betray its old and loyal partner such is Serbia. When Polish public massively supported Serbia with president Lech Kaczynski, while Tusk insisted on recognition of Kosovo. It went that far that president of Poland criticized PM of his own country in UN GA. It was scandal. Something like that never happened in history of UN. Only explanation is that EU constantly drag Poland is impossible situations, knowing that in Poland exist healthy core of elite that wants free and independent Poland. So comes the effort of EU to force Poland on impossible political moves, exactly in order to cut maneuverable space of that healthy elite, to hold them in state of `knock down`, to prevent them to lead Poland in independence, in strengthening of Poland.

In my opinion we can expect this policy of EU to continue to the level when Poland begins to crumble. They want segmentation of Poland because only that can prevent Polexit and Poland`s rightful attempt to tries to form new Commonwelath arround Poland (ie Intermarium).


It have sense. I`m not surprised


Nije. EU want Poland fully germanized so that from Slavic Poland, only name remain.

Not sure the EU is crumbling. The world will be a very different place in 12 months time - 2017 will be the year that the normal people get organized and fight back against the petty and simplistic demagogues. Electing a safe pair of hands, respected by 96 percent of the member states is a first step in that.

The populist parties are quickly losing support in Holland and France and especially in Germany. I am no fan of the status quo there but it is a better option than having more morons like Trump in place.

In Britain and the US the undereducated and gullible will soon see that what they have voted for will cost them money and start to look to backpeddle.

End result - the EU and NATO will end the year stronger, the US will decide to stop winding up natural allies like Australia and Canada too. In Polish terms Szydlo may as well not show up for any more meetings - nobody will give her the time of day, they will just sort it out with Kaczynski by phone. I don't expect San Escobar to last past Easter.

Why is this? Is it because more mainstream parties are modifying their policies and become more euro-positive (as opposed to middle-eastern/north africa positive) or is it fatigue and/or dishonest media?


Depends on what you mean by 'demagogues'.

What EU needs is electro shocking, Something opposite from obeying. Something that would move Poland out of state of defensive stance. Time is that Poland annul its Kosovo recognition and you would see how Intermarium got wings. Now would be exact and best moment for Poland to do it. To demonstrate its own interests. All is on Polish president Duda now. For he knows.... when desperate, call for Racowie.

Only Serbia.


If Szydlo annul Poland`s Kosovo recognition (on what Tusk insisted, as he himself admitted as EU demanded), EU would more then 100 times regret for ever humiliated Poland.

Serbia doesn't feature as an issue in Poland or the Eu. Nor does pis. They will just be ignored and voted out, easiest way to get rid of them.

Serbia is Poland`s trump card. Mark my words. Via Serbia, Poland moving itself in entirely new strategic realm, among multi-polar centers of the world that now forming, in multi-Polar world that emerged. That is far behind reach of western Europe`s greed and ordering. They would then want partnership with Poland.

So Poles, you want to f*** EU? Just use Serbia. God knows, Serbia is almighty dildo for THEM.

No one wants to leave the eu. You are only jealous you are not in it because serbia is still too backward. Just trolls online say that. Uk will be on its own and shafted serbia will gain relevance as soon as you are deported back to Russia.

Its not the matter of leaving the EU. Its about forcing EU to look on you as equal partner. Serbia want that. Without it membership in EU is only problem, not solution. So, just look at Serbia. We would make it. If EU fails to accommodate, EU would be the loser.

Any chance this site will get a ignore function?

Reality can`t be ignored.

Alternate reality can't be ignored.