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R. Trzaskowski, current mayor of Warsaw, future President of Poland


Adam123
9 Mar 2023 #211
Roughly translated as: 'Any competition to German propaganda will not be tolerated!' We hear you Traz, loud and clear.
jon357
9 Mar 2023 #212
He spoke a lot of words of wisdom

He was absolutely spot on about the whole situation, especially the part where he pointed out that they "try to turn hatred and hate into a virtue".

'Any competition to German propaganda will not be tolerated!

Don't be silly.

We hear you

The voters evidently do. And yes, he will be President. He came within a hair's breadth of it last time, and a chink of his opponent's core demographic has died off since the last election.
OP pawian
9 Mar 2023 #213
Roughly translated as

Yes, very roughly - the rough rightist style. :):):)

PS. Good you have registered at last. :):):)

"try to turn hatred and hate into a virtue".

Typical rightist approach.
gumishu
11 Mar 2023 #214
that it's unreasonable to expect people with a variety of opinions and personal circumstances to live according to the values of

sure - if the conservative views are held by the majority of the population
jon357
11 Mar 2023 #215
held by the majority of the population

Extreme conservative views aren't though, are they. That's one reason PiS have to back down so often.

I look forward to the next Presidential election.
gumishu
11 Mar 2023 #216
Extreme conservative

what do you call 'extreme conservative' views
jon357
11 Mar 2023 #217
Have a look back through this thread and some other posts, often from yourself.
gumishu
11 Mar 2023 #218
@jon357

I have posted only three times in this thread and my first post was on March the 8th so just a couple days ago - so no: you haven't answered my question
jon357
11 Mar 2023 #219
Did you think I was referring only to this thread?

Anyway, Rafał Trzaskowski is perhaps the most popular Mayor of Warsaw so far, is certainly the best there's been within living memory and will certainly become President of Poland.
Korvinus
11 Mar 2023 #220
You have to understand that Trzaskbaum is mediocrity incarnate.
Each social group votes according to its interests. Trzaskbaum or "f*uck the poor" will not be supported by the poor. Like PiS, will not be supported by the rich because it tightens ZUS and taxes for entrepreneurs. It is very easy...
jon357
11 Mar 2023 #221
Trzaskbaum

Why the 'baum' bit?

Each social group votes according to its interests

Does that surprise you? Do you think individuals should vote against their own interests?

will not be supported by the poor.

He is however supported by the majority.
gumishu
12 Mar 2023 #222
Trzaskbaum or "f*uck the poor" will not be supported by the poor

you are wrong, Korvinus - I have examples from my own family, who can't be called rich by any standards yet they gobble the TVN propaganda and hate PiS - think of turkeys voting for Christmas
OP pawian
14 Mar 2023 #223
yet they gobble the TVN propaganda

Of course it is wrong coz in your opinion they should gobble down PiSTV propaganda. :):):)

hate PiS - think of turkeys voting for Christmas

Don`t be silly. Smart people see that PiS is robbing them in broad daylight and all their anti inflation benefits contribute to an even higher inflation.
gumishu
15 Mar 2023 #224
PiS is robbing them in broad daylight

we bought 1,5 tonne of coal from the government programme in January for about 2000 per tonne - 1,5 tonne is nearly as much as we need per year - thanks to the government 'coal benefit' we have free heating for the entire season - last year we spent more than 2000 PLN on heating
Bobko
15 Mar 2023 #225
we bought 1,5 tonne of coal from the government programme in January for about 2000 per tonne

It cracks me up all the time how Poles contract coal in fu&king tons. Do you realize how unusual this is in the 21st century?

The last time I saw a ton of coal was at my grandma's farm in the village in the 1990s. At the time I was obsessed with paleontology, and would spend hours sifting through the coal looking for fossils, but never actually found any.

Was looking for something like in the picture below. Instead, it was crap coal that fell apart in your fingers into a fine dust.

How is it delivered? At my grandma's farm, a Russian KAMAZ truck would come, and dump it all in the driveway in front of the garage. Then my grandpa and I would have to shovel it into a shed situated adjacent. Afterwards, I'd spray the driveway down with a hose (wonder if this is bad ecologically).



jon357
15 Mar 2023 #226
we have free heating for the entire season

Great to have, however a subsidy rather than free would be more practical.

Do you realize how unusual this is in the 21st century?

The last time I saw a ton of coal was at my grandma's farm in the village in the 1990s

Much the same, except we got ours cheap. Miners in the UK got free coal but some of them lived in houses with gas fires so they used to sell it on (perhaps illegally) to a dodgy guy that we used to buy it off.

Ours was very good quality coal though, the type used for making steel, A ton would last for ages. We probably bought half a ton a year at most, plus anthracite for the boiler.
gumishu
15 Mar 2023 #227
Great to have, however a subsidy rather than free would be more practical.

it was very much a subsidy (maybe I haven't expressed it clearly enough) - the subsidy was a fixed amount of 3000PLN paid to every household that has declared it used coal for heating - it just happens so that the subsidy roughly covered our yearly need for coal (because I live in a not a very big appartment in a four appartment building (a 'familok' if you know what 'familok' is)
jon357
15 Mar 2023 #228
(a 'familok' if you know what 'familok' is)

I do and live in something like one, however we have gas heating, underfloor. It's really good. Much cleaner too, however nuclear and renewables really are the way forward.

every household that has declared it used coal for heating

I suspect that some of those households used wood before. And of course there was the appalling scandal where they just let people cut trees down.
gumishu
15 Mar 2023 #229
we have gas heating

I live in a small place (a tiny village in a forest) that is not connected to natural gas grid (and probably never will) - we couldn't afford LPG heating installation -also when we went for central heating, coal was still the cheapest option in Poland
Bobko
15 Mar 2023 #230
we couldn't afford LPG heating installation

How much does such an installation cost? I'm assuming you don't have to reformat everything, but just the boiler? Would it still not make sense, even if installation was paid for by the gas company, because there is no connection to the grid or is using gas tanks still an option?

As a Russian, I have to say it's amusing to read a Pole write that his government will likely never bring the grid to his village. If this is the case, then why are so many Poles online constantly trolling Russians that as a gas superpower the country still cannot connect all Russians to gas.

Seems Russia has real issues, not just corruption, if compact Poland struggles to invest in a grid. Try guaranteeing gas access across 11 time zones...
Kashub1410
15 Mar 2023 #231
@Bobko
Fairly simple, Russian parliament would enact a law which would allow power grid building companies 50 years of tax free businesses (everything related to gas distribution). Not only would state gas company not pay a single Ruble for the expansion and build up of the entire energy infrastructure, but thousands upon thousands of Russians would learn to organise, make money and create jobs at the same time. While having the state bank give out loans to all power grid building start ups (control would have to be enacted and followed up) without interests.

Not only would the entire thing go mostly on it's own without need of planning much, but also millions upon millions of customers of energy would increase, which is rather important at the moment if unable to sell it abroad.
Bobko
15 Mar 2023 #232
Fairly simple

If it is so simple, why does the Polish government not do the same thing? I don't think you appreciate the colossal amounts of money required in building energy infrastructure. Some cooperative of average citizens with initiative will not accomplish anything.

What kind of group of entrepreneurs, regardless of tax breaks, has the capability to cut thousand km long paths through forests and tundra, construct technical roads, build compressor stations, and contract millions of tons of steel.

What the government really has to do, in Russia at least, is liberalize the energy market (more than it has been already). At the moment, Russians pay a comical cost for gas. Gazprom can earn many multiples of what it can on a Russian, on a German or a Hungarian. So, there is very little incentive for Gazprom to invest in bringing more Russians online to the grid. Instead, it will build some stadium, or recreation center, perhaps a kindergarten - so that it can report the government that its doing something socially useful - but not build the pipeline.

As a Russian, I would prefer for the government to build stadiums and recreation centers, and for Gazprom to focus on earning profits and paying taxes. However, that's not how things work in Russia.

Now, if Russians were forced to pay prices for gas that are closer to European prices you would see several things happen:

1) Gazprom would suddenly be interested in working with these customers and investing in the necessary infrastructure
2) People would stop treating gas like it's free, and would start implementing various energy saving approaches
3) The gas that is saved by Russians being more economical (this will be colossal amounts, tens of billions of cubic meters), can be exported to people that actually pay market prices - making more money.

Of course, the average Russian will suffer, and there will be protests everywhere.. but this is still better than the current situation which is just absurd. Russians need to learn that energy is not free.
Kashub1410
16 Mar 2023 #233
If it is so simple, why does the Polish government not do the same thing?

Because politicians tend to cater to the opinion of their voter base to win elections, PiS (current Polish government) is more interested in repeating the thoughts and fears of the poorest segments of Polish society as not to appear alienating to them, that is something the left was able to succeed with in the past in most of Western Europe. Nowadays they try to appear as the intellectually capable advisors they think they are (which is rubbish).

PiS government policies (backed by the EU) is giving out handouts, as to appear to be the source of support and the mirage of being taken care of. (Welfare state type of mentality)

Instead of creating incentives on their own, which would benefit the country, but fears of enriching the opposition halts the possibility of such ideas.

Problem is that most peasants see limitations instead of opportunities and are still used to this day to expect support from the government, which the government happily provides in fear of protests and a general uprising. Which again is transferred to all the population in the vicinity, which again is vital why also the church and local elites has a stronghold in rural and decentralised areas to decrease unrest and help out without the need of the government to be involved, but due to removal of the aristocracy (as a vital part of the system) and the opposition fighting the influence of the Clergy, the peasants mentality has to be catered to instead of challenged due to increasing amount of clergy with a peasants background and intellectuals trying to be better then they are by fighting the mentality of peasants without any success
gumishu
16 Mar 2023 #234
How much does such an installation cost?

an LPG central heating furnace plus the gas tank cost more than 15 000 PLN now (on top of the cost of radiators, pipes and the installators' fee that typically costs another 10 000 PLN)

we spent about 10 000 PLN for the whole thing (coal furnace and the whole installation plus the fees) back in the day - additionally LPG heating to the same temperatures cost about 50 per cent more than coal heating back then

then why are so many Poles online constantly trolling Russians that as a gas superpower

I can't answer for all Poles - I personally never mocked Russia for this

also I don't think you understand the difference between LPG (liquid petrol cas - which is mostly a mixture of propane and butane and comes from oil fields degassing) and natural gas (which is mostly methane) - LPG was never distributed through gas grids in Poland and is significantly more expensive than natural gas (if you want an LPG central heating you need to invest in a tank - we didn't have neither money nor space for LPG installation (vide: the tank)
OP pawian
16 Mar 2023 #235
a 'familok' if you know what 'familok' is)

Good you revealed this info coz it helped us see you as a normal person. So far I have imagined you were a PiS official who sucks huge sums from boards of a few state companies, together with your family - wife, uncle, aunt, grandpa etc. - all of them employed at lucrative positions through PiS connections. :):):)
Bobko
17 Mar 2023 #236
also I don't think you understand the difference between LPG

I thought I did... ha! But you're right, I meant natural gas. I understand that LPG is not typically transported by pipeline. However, I did think that it's possible to acquire natural gas in tanks, if a grid connection is not available.

Now I understand that this is not possible. The reason, is that the symmetry of the methane molecule is such that it cannot be easily liquified. You could still store methane in a tank in gas form, but it would be barely enough to prepare a meal.

I'm actually quite embarrassed that I'm learning this only now. It's not really excusable in my situation.

Thanks!
OP pawian
22 Mar 2023 #237
On Wednesday , Prince William paid a visit to the help desk for Ukrainian refugees in Warsaw. On this occasion, he met with the mayor of Warsaw, Mr Future President of Poland Rafał Trzaskowski . As reported by Polsat News reporter Dawid Styś, the Prince of Wales talked to refugees and played with children.



OP pawian
6 Aug 2023 #238
Mr Future President of Poland Trzaskowski regularly proves he is able to forget political differences and divisions. Here, meeting current President Duda who is a PiS puppet.



Ironside
6 Aug 2023 #239
Mr Future President of Poland Trzaskowski

:D
Don;t tell me you are associated with that tool! You both have very similar character..
OP pawian
6 Aug 2023 #240
You both have very similar character..

yes, we are both extremely intelligent, well educated and decent men. The only difference is that he is younger and more handsome. But I don`t envy him.


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