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Poland: In Top First 15 Countries in the WORLD by the number of CRIMES


bullfrog 6 | 603
6 Feb 2010 #121
Keith Vaz????? Who on earth is he?

Come on Seanus...
Seanus 15 | 19,706
6 Feb 2010 #122
Vaz sounds Indian, not Pakistani, and Keith is more of a Scottish name.
jarnowa 4 | 499
6 Feb 2010 #123
Pressed, yes. Forced? No. It's the same with Brits who moan about all the Poles but it is invariably British companies which hire them.

my point is that you only look at one side of the coin.

you suggested that they are denied jobs and don't mention the many cases in which they get more easily a job because of their ethnic background.

so i don't think racism in the job market is a good explanation for any ethnic group to be more criminal.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
6 Feb 2010 #124
Looking at only one side of the coin is the very last thing I do. I didn't mention them as I'm not aware of them. I'm not here to fabricate or create fiction but I dare say they do benefit, yes.

However, I tend to find that it's moaning that AA programs are overextended based on perceived 'overdoing it'. Rarely is one side ever wholly satisfied with the balance.

Racism does lead to criminality whether you like it or not. How do you make a living, by selling leaves that you pull off of trees? No, didn't think so. Criminality also stems from frustration and social unrest as well as from perceived injustice. Deny that and I will really begin to wonder about you.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,475
6 Feb 2010 #125
Keith Vaz????? Who on earth is he?

Chairman of some committee or other, probably the highest profile Indian in politics I think?
Seanus 15 | 19,706
6 Feb 2010 #126
Indians tend to buy their way into positions as they those of his ilk have the wealth.
convex 20 | 3,978
6 Feb 2010 #127
Racism does lead to criminality whether you like it or not. How do you make a living, by selling leaves that you pull off of trees? No, didn't think so. Criminality also stems from frustration and social unrest as well as from perceived injustice. Deny that and I will really begin to wonder about you.

How about asians in the US? They don't benefit from affirmative action... The level of "racism" that is socially acceptable when applied to asians is much higher than that of blacks for instance.

The problem with affirmative action is that even if the person is best qualified for the job, the specter of "they got the job because of their skin color" will always trail them around.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
6 Feb 2010 #128
Do you want to know why? Well, take Koreans as an example. They pool their resources and work as a collective. They ensure that they do everything within their control to make their business a going concern. The ethic is different.

I couldn't agree more with your second point.
convex 20 | 3,978
6 Feb 2010 #129
The ethic is different.

exactly. culturally, education is also valued. they suffer from as much, or more, racism in the US, and are not given any special treatment.

I firmly believe that in America at least, the job goes to the most qualified person 99% of the time. That is the key criteria. Most qualified also includes conforming to social norms. I think the majority of what one sees as racism is actually just a reaction to the actions of others, rather than preconceived stereotype based on skin color.
marqoz - | 195
6 Feb 2010 #130
It is really safer now in Poland.
Before 2005 there were many violent crimes here.

There were big problem with Russian and Polish (Wołomin, Pruszków etc.) mafia. It was connected with:
- liberal policy in law enforcement performed by excommunists and left-wingers,
- many secret service officers dismissed and without well paid job,
- Russian soldiers without pay but with good knowledge of Poland, where they garrisoned,
- and maybe some infiltration by Russian secret service.

There were some machine gun fighting and car bombings. Even Chief Police Officer was killed by mob. I remember one car bombing and one police pursuit with gun firing on my housing district. I've heard about forced tributes from business, mostly restaurants.

But now it's quite different. Main criminal group were smashed.

However it's true that Police tends not to register small criminal acts notified by victims. They don't want to worsen traceability statistics. The pay depends on it.

There is still many problems: police staff is underpaid, prosecutors politically dependent, the courts procedurally archaic, many judges with lack of moral qualifications and practically unpunishable and last but not least awful laws.

I was never robbed or beaten in Poland, and last year while in Madrid I lost all credit cards and ID, in London almost beaten and in Rome almost deceived. Nice string. In Madrid I have visited my daughter in a student house - all parents visiting her colleagues had some petty theft incident.

But on the other hand I did feel very safe there even by night. And the same in Poland.
jarnowa 4 | 499
6 Feb 2010 #131
Racism does lead to criminality whether you like it or not.

Only people with a sick mind use "racism" as an excuse to commit crimes.

Let's say an employer doesn't want to hire some paki because he doesn't like paki's.

Would you understand if this paki buys a gun and robs a random shopowner because he's frustrated about this incident?

How do you make a living, by selling leaves that you pull off of trees? No, didn't think so. Criminality also stems from frustration and social unrest as well as from perceived injustice. Deny that and I will really begin to wonder about you.

I also see a lot of injustice too, does that give me the right to commit crimes as well?
Seanus 15 | 19,706
6 Feb 2010 #132
I am not saying they have the right, I'm saying it happens.

A gun might be too extreme but other criminality maybe.
convex 20 | 3,978
6 Feb 2010 #133
In the "developed world" there simply is no excuse for it. I might be on board with you if we start talking about theft in countries where people have no options and it really is stealing to feed yourself, but the UK? Poland? The US? We're not talking about the Congo or India...

I'm willing to make a bet that the overwhelming majority of people involved in crime in Europe have nicer shoes than I do.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
6 Feb 2010 #134
But if you polish them, they look just as good ;)
Exiled 2 | 425
6 Feb 2010 #135
There were big problem with Russian and Polish (Wołomin, Pruszków etc.) mafia.

Polish and russian mafia get very well along.
SzwedwPolsce 11 | 1,595
7 Feb 2010 #136
The Polish "mafia" is not big at all. Some manufacturers of amphetamine etc. The Russian mafia is something completely different.
marqoz - | 195
7 Feb 2010 #137
Polish and russian mafia get very well along.

Yup! You must have good sources, some Deep Throat.

But I haven't. I only read newspapers (online of course), watch TV news and look around. And you know, there is silence. The only clamour is from politicians barking on each other.
Kociak
7 Feb 2010 #138
So there are no unprovoked attacks here?? That's just not true!

U must understand that many trolls posting here are posting lies justr to make Poland look very attractive and "safe" for foreign naive rich investors, so they have what and whom to rob ;)
jarnowa 4 | 499
7 Feb 2010 #139
In the "developed world" there simply is no excuse for it. I might be on board with you if we start talking about theft in countries where people have no options and it really is stealing to feed yourself, but the UK? Poland? The US? We're not talking about the Congo or India...

exactly.
Wroclaw Boy
7 Feb 2010 #140
In the "developed world" there simply is no excuse for it. I might be on board with you if we start talking about theft in countries where people have no options and it really is stealing to feed yourself, but the UK? Poland?

UK no Poland yes.

Seanus:
Racism does lead to criminality whether you like it or not.
Only people with a sick mind use "racism" as an excuse to commit crimes.

No i dont think so, its social circumstance and frustration, if a coloured guy cant get work through his colour he may aswell shaft the system.

Its harder for coloured chaps to find the work we take for granted and the crime rates are proportional to that.
convex 20 | 3,978
7 Feb 2010 #141
UK no Poland yes.

really? with all the opportunity here? at some point you have to make a stupid decision, and then not learn from your decision, and continue to make stupid decisions to fail here.

No i dont think so, its social circumstance and frustration, if a coloured guy cant get work through his colour he may aswell shaft the system.

how often does a qualified black guy get turned down for a job? not very often in the US... now, the guy with corn rows trying to axe you something has about as much chance as the redneck with the wifebeater that wants to ask ye sunt'n. that is, not much of one.
PasivAgg
7 Feb 2010 #142
as black man in poland, you have higher chances of getting killed in the next 2 months on the street by some DRESY , than to find a job where they actually will hire you... ;)

Please make your mind up which user name you're going to use!
Wroclaw Boy
7 Feb 2010 #143
really? with all the opportunity here? at some point you have to make a stupid decision, and then not learn from your decision, and continue to make stupid decisions to fail here.

is that so. My wifes brother didnt have money to buy food for months, he kept quite and the whole time he carried on taking loan after loan even his mother took so many loans she couldt get anymore, in the end i found out through observation on a visit and gave him 12,000 PLN. Hes a proud man, one of the best i know. Worked his ass off for the same company for over 10 years. Whats he going to do? Sell a kidney? Quit his job? take benefit?

His debt came in the form of his son becoming ill, medications and Doctors bribes ate all his cash. What about that? I hear those stories all the time in Poland, dont forget we live in Dolnoslaskie, its better here take a trip up around Bialystok and I guarantee life is not so rosey.

Decisions have nothing to do with it, WHY the hell are there over 1,000,000 Poles in the UK, come on man. Opportunity doesnt exist here as it does in other well established countries. Essentially Poland is a poor country there isnt enough money to go around and some people take a hit, thats the system that how it works, its fcuking brilliant enslavement of the human race i say..

May i ask how long have you been here?

how often does a qualified black guy get turned down for a job?

very often when theres another 5 qualified white guys applying for the same position.

not very often in the US...

Now thats BS, i spent a lot of time in Florida, go in any fast food restaurant, most convenient stores and their black. Watch the store owners watch the blacks intently to be sure they dont steal anything. South America is very racist.
convex 20 | 3,978
7 Feb 2010 #144
is that so. My wifes brother didnt have money to buy food for months, he kept quite and the whole time he carried on taking loan after loan even his mother took so many loans she couldt get anymore, in the end i found out through observation on a visit and gave him 12,000 PLN. Hes a proud man, one of the best i know. Worked his ass off for the same company for over 10 years. Whats he going to do? Sell a kidney? Quit his job? take benefit?

Ask for help, the support network is there for him. Benefits would be another route. Regarding the decisions, didn't have a good job to save away some cash? Highly educated? The opportunities to work a well paying job are here, that is not the case in many places.

but you know, you are right. this is a guy that really is down on his luck. how many people are in his position, stealing because of a sick kid? how many are stealing because they want to consume something?

Decisions have nothing to do with it, WHY the hell are there over 1,000,000 Poles in the UK, come on man.

easy, quick cash. easier chances for making more money.

His debt came in the form of his son becoming ill, medications and Doctors bribes ate all his cash. What about that? I hear those stories all the time in Poland, dont forget we live in Dolnoslaskie, its better here take a trip up around Bialystok and I guarantee life is not so rosey.

I'm not trying to paint a rosy picture of poland, but medications? 12k worth of dr's bribes? I've been around quite a bit of the country (quite a few friends over in the east) around Kielce, Lublin, and interestingly enough, a little town called Rybniki just north of Bialystok where I stayed with a friend for a about month way back in the day.

May i ask how long have you been here?

This is my second stint in Poland, it's about 18 months now. There's also a couple of years in the Czech Republic, about a year in Kazakhstan, 6 months in Tajikistan, a couple of extended trips to other places, the majority of which are home to people with no chance to go to school, no chance to train for a job, no social security to speak of, no property, no family to support them, and no opportunity.

Now thats BS, i spent a lot of time in Florida, go in any fast food restaurant, most convenient stores and their black. Watch the store owners watch the blacks intently to be sure they dont steal anything. South America is very racist.

so they got jobs? do you think they are being watched because they are black, or because the owner of the store might have a problem with theft?

anyway, i've worked with plenty of blacks, mexicans, and even a couple of asians in crap jobs in texas, and have worked with the same races in great jobs. it's up to the individual, and in the US, there is a huge problem with a culture of idiocy being embraced by certain ethnic groups...some more than others. a black man in the us is more likely to get locked up than a white man, is it because the police are 8x as racist? no, it's because black males commit 8x as many crimes and get popped for it. but don't worry, the other races are catching up. it's a culture issue that needs to be addressed, and fairly quickly.
scrappleton - | 830
7 Feb 2010 #145
it's because black males commit 8x as many crimes and get popped for it.

True, Blacks often glorify the 'gansta' lifestyle. A Black will earn respect if he's been in prison.
convex 20 | 3,978
7 Feb 2010 #146
it's a problem with culture. whites are doing their best to play catchup though. i wouldn't give it too long...
scrappleton - | 830
7 Feb 2010 #147
whites are doing their best to play catchup though. i wouldn't give it too long...

Right, and if you have any felony whatsoever.. you can forget about any respectable job ever again. Construction maybe. So that begets more poverty which begets more crime.
convex 20 | 3,978
7 Feb 2010 #148
a failure of the people that we have trusted to provided rehabilitation to criminals.
jarnowa 4 | 499
7 Feb 2010 #149
No i dont think so, its social circumstance and frustration, if a coloured guy cant get work through his colour he may aswell shaft the system.

no, if a coloured person has problems getting a job, he should either go back to his own country or accept the simple fact of life that immigrants have to work harder to be succesful.
jonni 16 | 2,485
7 Feb 2010 #150
he should either go back to his own country

What if it is his own country, if he was born there and knows no other?


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