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Throwing away the constitution in Poland?


Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
13 Dec 2015 #391
like yesterday with the 50,000+

Because your +50.000 came from no one else but yourself and "Office of Security and Crisis Management" -> Warsaw City department held by PO's Gronkowiec. Your Goebbels=style propaganda won't change that, people here aren't that stupid.

What makes you think that you only have to count your success vs PO?

Because people won't buy Swetru fecker and any other of recent "projects".
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
13 Dec 2015 #392
Your Goebbels=style propaganda won't change that, people here aren't that stupid.

Poor Grzegorz. The fact that someone might actually be telling the truth really does confuse you, doesn't it?

It's even funnier that you have to accuse others of Goebbels-type propaganda when PiS have been doing exactly that for years.

Because people won't buy Swetru fecker and any other of recent "projects".

Numbers are growing and your fear is evident. No amount of insults, foul language and other pathetic behaviour can change that. Mind you, it's good to show the world exactly what kind of people support PiS.
jon357 63 | 15,214
13 Dec 2015 #393
A slight hilarious note about today : PiS have only attracted 15,000 to their marc

So basically less than a third of the number of participants of yesterday's democracy march could be bothered to turn up.
Ironside 49 | 10,282
13 Dec 2015 #394
What, the 15,000?

Nope 30, 000 :

pltk

Yesterday there was 15, 000 max.
jon357 63 | 15,214
13 Dec 2015 #395
Usual nonsense, Ironside? The numbers are straightforward, yesterday's demonstration got three times the number of the fascist one today.

Unless of course you were on one of your extremely rare visits to Poland and counted them...
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
13 Dec 2015 #396
Just spotted this amazing snippet on Telewizja Republika's website.

telewizjarepublika.pl/morawiecki-o-pikiecie-pod-domem-prezesa-pis-to-haniebna-manifestacja,27266.html

It is a demonstration at the home of the president of the ruling party, referring to the introduction of martial law.

These words were uttered by Kornel Morawiecki from Kukiz'15.

I didn't know that "anti-system" meant "pro-government".
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
13 Dec 2015 #397
"pro-government".

Only in relation to a real government, not a pawn of foreign "investors" and other exploiters whom the Platform and Petru serve.
jon357 63 | 15,214
13 Dec 2015 #398
I didn't know that "anti-system" meant "pro-government".

An example of the schizophrenia of people who are used to functioning as demagogues and can't handle it when they themselves are the focus of popular protest.
Ironside 49 | 10,282
13 Dec 2015 #399
Usual nonsense, Ironside?

Yes an utter usual tripe on your part - an example :

the number of the fascist

By the way that is something what an radical leftie extremist would say. :)

The numbers are straightforward, yesterday's demonstration got three times

Yes because your word holds more sway than an official report of the police monitoring both events.

Unless of course you were on one of your extremely rare visits to Poland and counted them...

Off topic or as your friend Harry says ad hominem trolling.

These words were uttered by Kornel Morawiecki from Kukiz'15.

Delph who translated those words for you? Poorly done.
He meant that if somebody is compering JK to Jaruzleski it is an utter disgrace that there are such a people who make comparison like that. He got a point.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
13 Dec 2015 #400
popular protest

Corporate/banking forces are known for their PR savvy and are well-equipped to dupe the masses and find ways to drag them onto the streets. A sincere, low-key, grass-roots movement such as PiS lacks the sophistication and organisaitional skills to complete with heavily bankrolled, big-time capitlaism as represented by its professional defenders: PO and Petru! Also Sunday's chilly, rainy weather also cut into attendnace. But it's not the crowd size that's important. What matters is that one side represetns ordianry Poles, the salt of the earth and backbone fothe nation, the other -- the lackeys of foreign big- money forces and those who fell for their deceptive but clever pro-democracy rhetoric.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
13 Dec 2015 #401
An absolutely beautiful comparison made today. First picture is ulica Gagarina in Warsaw today, the second picture is from a pro-government rally in Moscow in 2012. We've been saying it before and it's more apparent than ever - KaczyƄski and Putin utilise very similar tactics.





jon357 63 | 15,214
13 Dec 2015 #402
one side represetns ordianry Poles

And plenty of ordinary Poles turned out yesterday to defend democracy and the constitution. Far more than the bussed in goons who couldn't really be bothered, even though they got a free ride.
Ironside 49 | 10,282
13 Dec 2015 #403
So because PO have only 10 judges out of 15 in the TK they claim it is the end of the world. What would they say if those proportions wasn't in their favor? Implode?

An absolutely beautiful comparison made today

As much classy and informative and as much valid as posting your picture next to a picture of a known child abuser and saying look at the similarities.
Roger5 1 | 1,458
13 Dec 2015 #404
jon, I hope you are not suggesting that they took the opportunity of a trip to the capital to do a bit of shopping instead of supporting the Party of God? That would be toooo funny.
jon357 63 | 15,214
13 Dec 2015 #405
Apparently. It was drier inside the shopping malls...
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
13 Dec 2015 #406
Jon, have you seen this?



Amazing. It's from yesterday's KOD rally, and really shows the sheer volume of people on the streets.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
13 Dec 2015 #407
It's from yesterday's KOD rally, and really shows the sheer volume of people on the streets.

Yeah, show no more than 7-8 thousand people - most of them likely political operatives. If one had enough time to waist, it would be possible to count them one by one. Your 100, 70 or 50 thousand is cheap ********, that number of people would have blocked half of the city, here they occupy half of the street.

If you say that support for "defenders of democracy" is so huge, why don't just call for early elections ?
Roger5 1 | 1,458
13 Dec 2015 #408
Aren;t there computer programs that can accurately count the number of people? I seem to remember it being done at the million man march in Washington.

7-8 thousand people

How could a reasonable person come up with that figure after seeing this footage?
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
13 Dec 2015 #409
Your 100, 70 or 50 thousand is cheap ********, that number of people would have blocked half of the city, here they occupy half of the street.

I was waiting for you to say that ;)

See, Greggy, your lies only work when there's no evidence to the contrary. The map and video shows clearly that they took up 1km of the city, and it shows that there was a huge amount of people out there. You remind me of Comical Ali, the legendary Iraqi minister of information.

Back to your right wing media portals, because at least there they might believe some of the nonsense you come out with.



Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
13 Dec 2015 #410
wiadomosci.wp.pl/kat,1342,title,Ilu-naprawde-bylo-uczestnikow-marszow-w-Warszawie-Rozbiezne-szacunki-wladz-miasta-i-policji,wid,18042182,wiadomosc.html?ticaid=1161cb

Here's info about huge difference between police's estimates and those of the city authorities -> which "expats" claimed to be "official", when in fact the crazy figures came from PO's Gronkowiec held city authorities.

Aren;t there computer programs that can accurately count the number of people?

Yes and it's a matter of time someone will use them.

How could a reasonable person come up with that figure after seeing this footage?

So what's your figure, mr "reasonable person" ?
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
13 Dec 2015 #411
Here's info about huge difference between police's estimates and those of the city authorities -> which "expats" claimed to be "official", when in fact the crazy figures came from PO's Gronkowiec held city authorities.

And who controls the police? Ah, the MSW. Who controls the MSW? Ah, PiS. :D

The video doesn't lie.
Roger5 1 | 1,458
13 Dec 2015 #412
So what's your figure, mr "reasonable person" ?

As a reasonable person I'm waiting for objective data. But I can see there are more than 8 thousand people in the drone film.
jon357 63 | 15,214
13 Dec 2015 #413
Amazing

Isn't it. Unfortunately I just caught the end but the crowds dispersing were massive. So many families too.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
13 Dec 2015 #414
And who controls the police? Ah, the MSW. Who controls the MSW? Ah, PiS

Here comes the conspiracy theories :))))

Ok let's say there's 100 thousand people accommodated on one short street, or 200 thousand why not :))))

So If support for "defenders of democracy" (that just lost democratic elections) is so huge, what about early elections ? Were the previous ones faked ?

But I can see there are more than 8 thousand people in the drone film.

50 ? 70 ? 100 ?
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
13 Dec 2015 #415
Were the previous ones faked ?

Of course they weren't. Unlike PiS, we're able to accept the results of elections. These marches are not about the election results, but about the abuse of the rule of law.

Anyway, an interesting observation from today suggests that numbers were considerably down on last year's march.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
13 Dec 2015 #416
Of course they weren't.

So why you say you "defend democracy" ?

These marches are not about the election results, but about the abuse of the rule of law.

Then they are 6 months too late, that's when authorities employed cheap tricks to totally dominate the TK.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
13 Dec 2015 #417
So why you say you "defend democracy" ?

Simple. If PiS are allowed to ignore the Constitutional Tribunal, then democracy is dead.

Then they are 6 months too late, that's when authorities employed cheap tricks to totally dominate the TK.

Why not just follow the ruling of the Constitutional Tribunal? What's so difficult about it?
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
13 Dec 2015 #418
If PiS are allowed to ignore the Constitutional Tribunal, then democracy is dead.

So according to your own logic it must have been dead since years as PO did that 50 times.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
13 Dec 2015 #419
More attempts at lies, Grzegorz?

You can see for yourself on the TK website that PO didn't ignore any rulings - they either abandoned the laws in question, or they continued to work on them to make them in accordance with the Constitution, both of which are acceptable.

Interestingly, if you use that measure as "proof", then PiS had nearly 150 outstanding issues at the end of their last government.
Ironside 49 | 10,282
13 Dec 2015 #420
You can see for yourself on the TK website

Is that the same website that miraculously disappeared for days to reappear with a new content?


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