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Schools in Poland to strike tomorrow


Spike31 2 | 833    
19 Apr 2019  #151
Iwonka, I think the best way to verify the teachers is to let them be evaluated by parents (and their wallets) of the school children. Nobody else cares as much about the future of their children as their parents. Why should we trust some bureaucrats from MEN instead?
terri 1 | 1,572    
19 Apr 2019  #152
Education in schools is free and many parents do not really care what the child is being taught as long as the children are off their hands. Not every child is gifted or wants to learn and many will leave school with good exam results but without the necessary attributes to find work in the future, as the education system does not prepare them to use their own brains.They are taught in schools to pass exams only.
jon357 64 | 14,382    
19 Apr 2019  #153
Education in schools is free and many parents do not really care what the child is being taught as long

Many don't care at all, about exams, about education (since they generationally underachieved), don't have a book in the house and are trapped in a vicious circle. One reason we need the best universal free (and state supported) education.

Why should we trust some beaurocrats from MEN instead?

Why trust those experts. Why trust educationalists, why trust universal free healthcare, why trust social services? Why trust anybody? After all, the third world manages well enough without.
Rich Mazur 5 | 2,920    
20 Apr 2019  #154
State run sectors are nothing more than monopolies which only benefit select ideological crony government bureaucrats who run them; eventually into the ground.

That's the best summary of how the extortion racket aka as public unions operate in the US. No free market would ever pay a teacher 130 grand a year, which is what they get in Cook county. Al Capone would be proud.

These hoodlums even managed to lock their mind boggling pension benefits in the state constitution to make school districts powerless.
Spike31 2 | 833    
20 Apr 2019  #155
why trust universal free healthcare

There's no such thing as "free" healthcare just like there's no such thing as "free lunch" or a "government money". Taxpayers are paying for all of this at the end of the day.
cms neuf - | 739    
20 Apr 2019  #156
Interesting how all the whackjob theories about education are coming from angry young men with no kids of their own to worry about
terri 1 | 1,572    
20 Apr 2019  #157
It's very interesting to read that in 1993 teacher's went on strike and their representative said 'We deserve an increase'. This was Mrs. A. Zalewska (Minister of Education) and then the matura exams were postponed. Funny how she changed.

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Lyzko 20 | 6,152    
20 Apr 2019  #158
If those doing the evaluating are teachers, educators themselves, I'd have no problem!
As for myself, been through numerous evaluations, passed 'em all handily, never once gave it a second thought.
If you're goofin' off in class, then I suppose you do have reason to become extra defensive:-)
jon357 64 | 14,382    
21 Apr 2019  #159
Taxpayers are paying for all of this at the end of the day.

'At the end of the day'? The whole point is that society as a whole takes care of education, health etc.

If those doing the evaluating are teachers, educators themselves, I'd have no problem!

With well-organised school inspectorates, tehy certainly are.
Rich Mazur 5 | 2,920    
21 Apr 2019  #160
Teachers should evaluated themselves. After all, they are doing it every day with their students, so what's one more evaluation.
jon357 64 | 14,382    
21 Apr 2019  #161
Teachers should evaluated themselves

They do; all good teachers self-assess and reflect.

For the rest of the time, the highly skilled teachers who make up the Schools Inspectorate will do just fine.
Rich Mazur 5 | 2,920    
23 Apr 2019  #162
They do; all good teachers self-assess and reflect.

Do you know one that flunked his self-assessment and quit?
Crow 143 | 7,407    
23 Apr 2019  #163
I hope that schools in Poland start to teach children that Gavrilo Princip saved Poland, despite wishes of France, Britain, Germany, Austria, Russia and Pope.
mafketis 17 | 6,752    
23 Apr 2019  #164
I don't think that's going to happen any time soon, teachers in Poland may be criminally underpaid but they're neither stupid nor crazy... so.... yeah.... that's not gonna happen....
terri 1 | 1,572    
24 Apr 2019  #165
If I was a teacher now, I would seek other employment immediately and leave the profession. Even if that meant going on the cash desk at Biedronka. . It seems that the Government will do everything not to negotiate with the teachers and not pay them. They will make life hell and I do mean hell for all teachers who went on strike.
OP Dougpol1 27 | 2,556    
24 Apr 2019  #166
So those parents who actually care about their children's education know who to vote for in the elections then. Oh - wait - they already do. Time for a National Strike in support of the teachers, with local government strikes, unless you want a dumbo society.
terri 1 | 1,572    
24 Apr 2019  #167
The Government can change from day to date rules that have applied to education. Now, the director of a school will sign each pupil's pass mark for them to go to the next year's class, if he does not, he will be sacked. The teaching committee which used to do that has been resolved.
mafketis 17 | 6,752    
24 Apr 2019  #168
The Government can change from day to date

Well it's obvious that the goal of the strike has gone from simply getting raises to doing as much damage as possible to the government... it's working and the government seems to be essentially in panic mode which makes them look weak and chaotic. It won't play with the PiS unproductive and low information base but it might peal off the more centrist voters....
jon357 64 | 14,382    
24 Apr 2019  #169
Naturally; part of the long game. Hopefully it will pay off and the floating voters will desert PiS in droves.
10iwonka10 - | 383    
24 Apr 2019  #170
Some will some will not....I would not say that this strike is so much supported in 100% by society.
jon357 64 | 14,382    
24 Apr 2019  #171
Some will certainly do for starters!

Others will never change.
OP Dougpol1 27 | 2,556    
24 Apr 2019  #172
I would not say that this strike is so much supported in 100% by society

Of course it isn't. There's nothing as important as the education of a young mind, but in a poor economy far too many parents don't understand that employing brain will always earn more than employing hands.
Lyzko 20 | 6,152    
24 Apr 2019  #173
Although many here in the US are choosing the latter option, preferring trade schools for their children (especially their sons), and foregoing a traditional liberal arts education.

While both are equally deserving, I feel those parents are being more than a little short sighted.
Rich Mazur 5 | 2,920    
24 Apr 2019  #174
While both are equally deserving,

Liberal arts degree is a great way to start your career as a Planned Parenthood receptionist. Spending 100 gees on Womens' Studies is the best way to achieve this noble goal..
Lyzko 20 | 6,152    
24 Apr 2019  #175
Wrong again, Rich!

If someone is politically "connected" etc. naturally allowances will usually be made to somehow get an unqualified person in to any
position. We all know that.

However, as I've mentioned numerous times here, but to deaf ears and blind eyes, myriad successful non-academics have credited
success in their chosen careers to a solid liberal arts education, especially in areas such as philosophy and English Lit.
Last time I checked, Richie, learning to think, expound, and reason out loud, were prerequisites for any lawyer worth their salt peter:-)
Rich Mazur 5 | 2,920    
25 Apr 2019  #176
especially in areas such as philosophy and English Lit.

These over-educated morons with degrees is why the whites and the US (I will no longer waste my time on Europe) are in a mad race to the bottom. They have no concept how wealth is created and why budgets should be balanced. They have no concept what borders are and for what. To them these are merely small speed bumps on the way to a perfect world only they can design and create.
jon357 64 | 14,382    
25 Apr 2019  #177
preferring trade schools for their children (especially their sons), and foregoing a traditional liberal arts education.

Basically trained drones, rather than educated citizens.

Of course some in Poland would probably prefer the world to be a poorer place.
Rich Mazur 5 | 2,920    
25 Apr 2019  #178
Basically trained drones, rather than educated citizens.

How much do Womens' Studies or Ethnic Studies graduates make in the private sector, which excludes working as a useful idiot for a politician?
How about French Literature grads? They must have nice careers going for them.
Lyzko 20 | 6,152    
25 Apr 2019  #179
The more educated, Rich, the more people will realize the degree to which most are taken advantage of.
terri 1 | 1,572    
25 Apr 2019  #180
The problem with educated people is that they know too much. It is far easier to rule over less-well educated and you can p*** on them and tell them it's raining.


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