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Will Poland Run Out of Russian Gas?


OP David_18 69 | 987    
24 Sep 2010  #31
Yes, the intention is to make as much money as possible for Russia.

Yes indeed they will use any means necessary to build their own wellfare on other countries expense. The Russian way to go you know ;)

Zimbabwe is doing exactly the same thing with diamonds - are they using it as a weapon? Of course not.

You can't compare a third world country with an inflation on 100000% with Russia that is one of the worlds largest nation.
convex 20 | 3,984    
24 Sep 2010  #32
Yes indeed they will use any means necessary to build their own wellfare on other countries expense

Polish companies don't cut any breaks to foreign customers, why should Gazprom?
delphiandomine 87 | 16,884    
24 Sep 2010  #33
The Russian way to go you know ;)

It's called "business".

Do you really think that if you own lots of a scarce resource, that you should be forced to sell it at a lower price to people who want it just because they need it?

But go on - tell us what you would do. Long term deal means long term stability, right?
cladd - | 4    
25 Sep 2010  #34
Natural Gas in Europe is a highly politicized matter, with many parties (corporate, government) with different interests at the table (i.e. Germany's position with Poland over the proposed Baltic LNG terminal). No question that Gazprom wants to get the best overall deal for its product (as reflected in price, minimum quantities, length of contract, etc.), but one can not forget the the company receives its direction Moscow.

Russia, or any country for that matter, will use resources at hand to exert geopolitical influence when required.
Chicago Pollock 7 | 506    
25 Sep 2010  #35
Exactly. Poland needs to develop it's own energy resources right now. As mentioned in a previous thread, gasify your coal and start building anerobic digesters in your agricultural sector. In the mean time burn coal outright and import your gas from Norway, who incidentally has never been a threat to Poland (that's code for no conflicting interests). You can't say that for Russia.
Czopek    
13 Mar 2016  #36
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I was going to try and explain what is actually going on and then realised I can't be bothered because of the generally hysterical and infantile behaviour of some posters (not all). Anyhow, IF you want to actually understand what is happening then please have a look at the links below.

rt.com/business/324224-nord-stream2-europe-gazprom/

reuters.com/article/us-energy-nordstream-usa-idUSKCN0VR25J

telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/11563761/US-to-launch-blitz-of-gas-exports-eyes-global-energy- dominance.html

sputniknews.com/world/20160311/1036158183/nord-stream-signed.html#ixzz42oNxTemq
pweeg3    
14 Mar 2016  #37
Don't post links from Russian government propaganda web sites.
peterweg 36 | 2,325    
13 Apr 2018  #38
Merged:

EU documents lay bare Russian energy abuse - Gazprom gas supplies and prices in Poland



Russian firm Gazprom has been strangling EU energy markets for years, documents show, as the European Commission takes aim at its new pipeline, Nord Stream 2.

..said the Russian firm had hindered cross-border sales of gas in Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, and Slovakia.

It said the "purpose was to segment the internal market along national borders" so that Gazprom could impose "unfair pricing" in the region.

It also said the Russian company had "leveraged its dominance by conditioning gas supplies ... on obtaining certain non-related commitments" from clients, for instance by forcing Poland to yield control over the Yamal gas pipeline in northern Europe.

euobserver.com/foreign/141584
TheWizard - | 322    
13 Apr 2018  #39
Frankly everyone knows that already but there you go for those who have been living under a rock.
peterweg 36 | 2,325    
13 Apr 2018  #40
Knowing about and doing something about its are two seperate things.

This should stop NordStream 2.
Crow 146 | 7,594    
18 Oct 2018  #41
Merged:

Did USA energy magnates bribed leadership of Poland for energy gas deal ?



Question is simple, because situation is simple. Poland could buy Russian gas on better conditions then USA gas. Where there is no economic logic, there is always something amiss. In other words, if USA selling more expensive gas to Poland, then there is price for Russian gas, there is extra profit. Somebody taking that extra profit. Conclusion. Somebody in Poland is bribed.

Sure, we got political explanation for this thing but, frankly, explanation don`t change obvious fact. Somebody taking some extra profit.
Rich Mazur 5 | 2,237    
18 Oct 2018  #42
How about: You want our protection, buy our gas.
Too simplistic?
cms neuf - | 580    
18 Oct 2018  #43
Yes - too simplistic. To go back to community college economics 101 we would end up with dirty, overpriced gas from someone with no incentive to make it better. Let the market decide but keep a sensible emergency supply.
Rich Mazur 5 | 2,237    
18 Oct 2018  #44
Yes - too simplistic.

Then, we should assume that nobody, the US included, ever used the leverage of if you want this we want that, as in "you want our protection, buy our gas".
Ziemowit 12 | 3,100    
18 Oct 2018  #45
Poland could buy Russian gas on better conditions then USA gas.

The Russian economic paper Kommersant says the US LNG gas for Poland would cost $235 per 1000 cubic meters loco the Mexican Gulf, while the price charged by Gazprom is $295 per the same unit. If we add transportation costs and re-gazification costs at the Świnoujście harbour, the cost of American gas equals the cost of Russian gas - says Kommersant.

The Russians have become seriously concerned since Poland is their fifth largest customer in gas trading of the whole EU after Germany, Italy, the UK and France
Crow 146 | 7,594    
18 Oct 2018  #46
If we add transportation costs and re-gazification costs at the Świnoujście harbour, the cost of American gas equals the cost of Russian gas

Equal?

Why then Poland never got a single transport of USA gas?

What Poland got are tons of papers and contracts with USA, many smiles and many promises. But, Poland never got USA gas.

Face fact. Polish leadership is corrupted.

All others using Russian gas. Increasing consumption. Poland is out of deals with Russians. Somebody paid to official Poland to stay excluded from deals with Russia, to have hoax deals with USA.

You Poles are lucky to have Serbians who love you deeply. Only we Serbs opening eyes to Poles.

More THEY f*** Poland, more we would f*** THEM. We shall see who shall endure and win in that mad race.
Rich Mazur 5 | 2,237    
19 Oct 2018  #47
You Poles are lucky to have Serbians who love you deeply. Only we Serbs opening eyes to Poles.

I am trying but I am unable to figure out what Serbian love has to do with where Poland gets gas. Help.
delphiandomine 87 | 16,884    
19 Oct 2018  #48
The Russians have become seriously concerned

I've seen an analysis suggesting that the real cost will be closer to $400USD/1000m3, unless the Americans are subsidising it in some way. No idea if it's true or not, but you have to wonder if Poland can really hold off on using Russian gas if/when electricity prices go through the roof. The gas could be subsidised for consumers, but we all know where that led to in Ukraine.
TheWizard - | 322    
20 Oct 2018  #49
Hopefully the work on the gas pipeline from the north can start next tear if Denmark and Poland can sign off on it.
Crow 146 | 7,594    
20 Oct 2018  #50
I am trying but I am unable to figure out what Serbian love has to do with where Poland gets gas. Help.

We, I myself, opening eyes to Poles that they see where they won`t get gas. We exposing corruption in Poland. Its something. Isn`t it?

That for start.
TheWizard - | 322    
20 Oct 2018  #51
Poland doesnt require Russia for anything. Soon that will mean gas too. Maybe poland requires russian peasants to dig holes? Oh no, not that either got ukis.
Rich Mazur 5 | 2,237    
20 Oct 2018  #52
We, I myself, opening eyes to Poles that they see where they won`t get gas. We exposing corruption in Poland. Its something. Isn`t it?

There is no country without "corruption". Exposures to be interesting have to be specific and documented.
Crow 146 | 7,594    
20 Oct 2018  #53
Poland doesnt require Russia for anything. Soon that will mean gas too

Don`t BS dobri brate. Poles and Russians got their antagonism, with all respect on that antagonism, and all have sins but we Serbians now says... please end of sh** and you, as sane and good brothers, end that old sh**.

We Serbs have plan.
Spike31 1 | 378    
20 Oct 2018  #54
Poland is now building, in cooperation with Norway and Denmark, a Baltic Pipe which will transport a Norwegian gas to Poland. We also have an LNG terminal in one of our port cities. So I would say we will be safe in case Russia decides to use their gas supply as a political weapon.
Crow 146 | 7,594    
20 Oct 2018  #55
Exactly. That`s the spirit. IF. `IF Russia decides....` Until then, Poland`s officials are obliged to behave in accordance with economic logic and, only parallel with it, by logic of safety for Poland. Everything else suggest how is official Poland corrupted. So, it is corrupted and even manipulative because using `fear from Russia` to justify its own corruption.



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