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The ruling party in Poland tries to take American owned TV news station off the air


jon357 69 | 18,445
22 Dec 2021 #451
@PolAmKrakow
Yet the visa waiver sanction you suggested is impossible, and as I said, America does not call the shots here in Europe, and individual companies' stakes in third sector businesses have always been (and must always be) necessarily subject to legislation. It is not for any Po reign politician to, as you quaintly suggested "put up with" democratic decisions concerning internal matters elsewhere.

@Oathbreaker
To a point, however you'll notice that I did distinguish between capital (a great and unnecessary evil) and money in the sense of day to day cash. This is key.

Are you familiar with the perdurantism/endurantism debate within metaphysics? If not, it's worth reading; I think you would like it.
Cojestdocholery 2 | 446
22 Dec 2021 #452
hats millions of people

Millions or not, still most people do not care about it.

in the US getting pushed around

If US business is breaking the law in Poland it should be brought to heel.
Nothing will come of it as PiS is doing that to appease their voters. They see Biden won't give them a time of a day anyway so there is nothing to lose.

My personal feeeling about all that - F Americans F Soros F You!
I'm sorry for profanities ladies and gentelmen but they best translate my feelings I have about the issue.
PolAmKrakow 2 | 1,209
22 Dec 2021 #453
@jon357
And this shows how little you understand. The US is in charge of all visa waivers to the US, not the EU. The US can take it away in a second, as quickly as they gave it. And judging from close to 25% of the people on my flight to the US being from Poland and speakiing Polish, I think you clearly do not understand how popular or important it is.

@Cojestdocholery
And the US company in question is not breaking the law. The government on the other hand with this proposed law will violate a trade treaty signed with the US. PiS is dying and those of you that support them will die with them.
OP mafketis 32 | 10,571
22 Dec 2021 #454
I'd say the consequences of Duda signing off on lex tvn would be more serious than jon thinks (why is he mouthing PiS talking points?) and less serious than PolAmKrakow thinks.

Some sanctions (general and against specific individuals) and more visa restrictions but nothing earth-shattering for sure. The welfare-dependent PiS base won't especially care (and PiS has already burned through everyone but their base domestically).

Probably help for any parties showing an ability to challenge PiS for sure.
jon357 69 | 18,445
22 Dec 2021 #455
@PolAmKrakow
You still think that the US would bully an ally's citizens restrictng them entry on the basis of a relatively minor political decision. They didn't punish Poles when the independence of the judiciary was undermined, nor when various PiS actions happened. They do not restrict French or German citizens from the visa waiver programme despite those countries having the same law.

And as the geopolitical and military situation in the region deteriorates, an issue for one single company will not be at the forefront of any foreign government's priorities.
PolAmKrakow 2 | 1,209
22 Dec 2021 #456
@jon357
Not only do I think, I am willing to bet on it. It is not a small change in laws and it directly and immediately impacts an existing investment, not just future investments. It is a targeted anti free speech law. It is an attack on American media and an attack on American business. Neither will be accepted or forgiven.

You have zero understanding of the US. No one in the US cares about Polish or any other EU courts unless they interfere with what the US is doing or what US business is doing. To think that anyone in the US GAF about Poland really is some incredibly stupid arrogance based on nothing. As I said before, please tell me exactly what the US needs Poland for? Nothing. Poland needs the US.

While Ukraine may be a strategic position in the eyes of the EU, US has already said no troops to Ukraine when Russia invades. Why? Because the US doesnt care. And the same will happen if Poland suffers the same fate.

The issue is not only about the present, but about the future. Not about one company but about many companies. This is a very big issue and not one PiS can afford to get wrong.
Cojestdocholery 2 | 446
25 Dec 2021 #457
PiS is dying

For the last six years. I hope they will rule for another six just to spite you.

those of you that support them will die with them.

A Nice example of hate speech. Tell me you support LGBT and all that.
Novichok 2 | 5,633
25 Dec 2021 #458
Why? Because the US doesn't care.

...and because the idea that the US would go to war with Russia over the ex-Soviet hole in the ground - Poland included - is beyond moronic.

Would Russia declare war on the US if the US annexed Canada - or at least the English-speaking part?
Cojestdocholery 2 | 446
25 Dec 2021 #459
Would Russia d

Since Russia is not a first global power - no!
Don't talk global politicks it makes you sound like a stupid person or a Russian troll.
Novichok 2 | 5,633
25 Dec 2021 #460
Since Russia is not a first global power - no!

The US is the "global power" - broke, declining, and stupider than a brick. It sends its men to death, spends money it does not have, and has fu*cking zero to show for it. Russia organized a vote...The best the global power could do is to put "occupied" on the maps. Hahahahahaha...

Russia is "power" enough to make the next WW2 - including Leningrad and Stalingrad - impossible and the next WW with the "Western powers" a 30-minute affair. It's the sick NATO that is so desperate to justify its existence but fails when real men take action. Like in Crimea.

Don't you love that referendum and the bridge?

Good job, Vlad.
Miloslaw 12 | 3,484
25 Dec 2021 #461
@Novichok

Can't agree Rich.
NATO and the West are.weak.
But Russia has nothing except a strong leader.
Nothing......they won't invade Ukraine, because they are.scared.....
Russia is weak.
Only their leader/dictator is strong.
It's not enough.
Novichok 2 | 5,633
25 Dec 2021 #462
Only their leader/dictator is strong.

A country needs to be strong in the US-style if it wants to be the world's cop or just an aggressor to keep its swamp fat and happy. That's why we have those idiotic aircraft carriers - 13 to be exact and have been in the state of war 90% of the US existence - and always somewhere else.

Russia wants neither, but it didn't forget its 30 million dead and the unhappy events that led to this because it was weak enough to temp a moron.

If Russia were really weak, Crimea would be part of Ukraine again. It is not and never will be.

It's not enough.

It depends on the objectives. The USSR learned its lesson in Afghanistan. They don't need that kind of strength.
Miloslaw 12 | 3,484
25 Dec 2021 #463
If Russia were really weak, Crimea would be part of Ukraine again

No, that is a sign of the weakness of the.West and NATO.

It depends on the objectives

It does and all I.think Putin is trying to.so is to.stop Ukraine joining NATO.
Novichok 2 | 5,633
25 Dec 2021 #464
No, that is a sign of the weakness of the.West and NATO.

OK, Russia is strong enough to dissuade the West from doing something stupid.

Putin is trying to.so is to.stop Ukraine joining NATO.

Just as the US went apeshit over Cuba.
Crow 152 | 9,820
25 Dec 2021 #465
OK, Russia is strong enough to dissuade the West from doing something stupid.

Coordination of Russia and China saved the world. If cretens of NATO leading powers sense they are stronger they would already burn entire world. But now they fear and just play stupid games.
PolAmKrakow 2 | 1,209
26 Dec 2021 #466
@Cojestdocholery
I dont support any of those far left waste of time initiatives.

@Novichok
Excellent point Rich. No way would Russia say anything if the US annexed Canada in whole or in Part because they do not care, it does not directly effect them. Just like the US has already said they will not send troops to Ukraine and the UK has said the same.

Poland is isolating itself not only from the EU but from the US and the country is in trouble with borderline retards leading the way. The "Fourth Reich" is the only intelligent observation made by JK in years, but it is too late. Not until JK and the clowns are gone from power will the EU back down on some of the rule of law issues. Thats simply the real play here. Its not about the money any more its about getting these idiots out of power.
Cojestdocholery 2 | 446
26 Dec 2021 #467
Its not about the money any more

Are you a part of that VAT mafia? PiS not good for your deals? Good. Why dont you get out of my counrty,now? There are enough local criminals here without foreign import.
PolAmKrakow 2 | 1,209
26 Dec 2021 #468
@Cojestdocholery
Your country? Funny, I now have citizenship, so its our country isn't it. I am sure I also pay way more tax that you do too. VAT mafia? Not really since my company always over pays VAT. I am sure I pay more ZUS than you as well. So why not leave the commenting to people who actually help fund the countries third world democracy?
Cojestdocholery 2 | 446
26 Dec 2021 #469
I now have citizenship

I don't care about paper-work. If you are a foreign crminal you should be deported.

I pay more

I don't care what you pay. I can tell I talk with an American hick and a shady character when they bring up money. You are nothing but a looser that couldn't make it in his own country.
PolAmKrakow 2 | 1,209
26 Dec 2021 #470
@Cojestdocholery
Just like Amazon, Intel, UPS, and all the others that couldn't make it in the US. It's ok. I understand you would like to make more, but being jealous is no way to improve your position. Not working so well for PiS either these days.

Always pointing the finger at the other guy and never looking in the mirror is not a way to move forward. It really is funny how PiS and its followers have not figured out a way forward when it is really rather simple for them to stay in office. Veto this law, and get rid of the disciplinary chamber and nearly all their problems go away. Money starts flowing from EU and USA is happy. They loose nothing of any worth really, and their ratings go back up with a prospering economy by the end of summer. But they are too hell bent on their own ideology to see that time is what is the greatest asset of any ruling group and they are running out.
Cojestdocholery 2 | 446
26 Dec 2021 #471
Just like Amazon, Intel, UPS,

Yes. you are just like them - delusional. If you think for a moment that you are needed here. We have enough hicks without import.
Strzelec35 36 | 1,258
26 Dec 2021 #472
"Always pointing the finger at the other guy and never looking in the mirror is not a way to move forward."

Very typical polish trait though. even from the little man or bottom up form the store clerk or postal guy here.

"I don't care about paper-work. If you are a foreign crminal you should be deported."

I was form the land of the free and the brave apparently.
Cojestdocholery 2 | 446
26 Dec 2021 #473
borderline retards leading the way

Still beats your Dementia president. \

Always pointing the finger at the other guy and never looking in the mirror i

Is that what you do? Great American Democracy look last election lol!
PolAmKrakow 2 | 1,209
26 Dec 2021 #474
@Strzelec35
Unfortunately you are right. The mentality in Poland is definitely one that is not about competing to be great, it is about doing just enough to survive and not get fired. Pitiful really.
OP mafketis 32 | 10,571
27 Dec 2021 #475
It's all irrelevant now, Duda grew a pair and vetoed it.

onet.pl/informacje/onetwiadomosci/andrzej-duda-wetuje-lex-tvn-prezes-juz-tupie-noga/pq31qwe,79cfc278

Now you can start arguing about how much pressure from the US did or did not play a role...
PolAmKrakow 2 | 1,209
27 Dec 2021 #476
Duda did the right thing. Whether he caved to pressure from the US or not, it sends the message that Poland is open for business to US companies, and in the end, thats the most important thing for Poland.
Novichok 2 | 5,633
27 Dec 2021 #477
Poland is open for business to US companies,

I am all for it as long "business" does not include Soros NGO's, Facebook, Tiktok, and crap like this. These are subversive outfits, not businesses.
Cojestdocholery 2 | 446
27 Dec 2021 #478
is open for business

If that is about 0 tax TVN style business, no thank you.
PolAmKrakow 2 | 1,209
27 Dec 2021 #479
@Cojestdocholery
As usual you know nothing. Discovery pays taxes and employs a lot of people. 3 billion dollars is the TVN value, the largest investment by a US company in Poland. Thats good for the country. Only backwood mountain hicks think TVN doesnt pay taxes and doesnt bring a lot to Poland. Pack a tent.


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