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Repopulating Poland with Ukrainians?


pgtx 30 | 3,158
26 Nov 2012 #31
BTW, stick to the topic!
Richfilth 6 | 415
26 Nov 2012 #32
The British are in danger of becoming a minority in their own country ( by like 2066)

The British have been a minority in their own country since the Angles and Saxons came in during the 5th Century AD. Every country's history, especially in Europe, is made up of wave after wave of immigration, and Britain is the crux of that. Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Frisians, then Vikings, then Normans; all moving in and dominating the local BRITISH culture of Brythonic languages.

So if the invaders get invaded, what's the issue? It's just another phase in 1500 years of invasion, and it certainly hasn't done that little island any harm. Maybe the same will happen to Poland too.
Nacjonalista 4 | 96
26 Nov 2012 #33
The British are in danger of becoming a minority in their own country ( by like 2066) A popular idea among British people that I have spoken to is that the government should reward people who have more children. For example if a Polish woman has 3 children, she should receive benefits.

I think it would be a good idea but only if the child is genetically European. So non Europeans won't come here breed like roaches and expect money for it.

It's a terrible idea and encourages dependency on the State.

That is why you'd have a one time payment after birth. That way there won't be government dependence.
berni23 7 | 379
26 Nov 2012 #34
I think it would be a good idea but only if the child is genetically European. So non Europeans won't come here breed like roaches and expect money for it.

Deal, but only if the sterilize all the backward and racist wiesniakis.

That is why you'd have a one time payment after birth. That way there won't be government dependence.

They should have tests though: like if the persons in question finished their high school or if their IQ is higher than a chairs.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
26 Nov 2012 #35
That is why you'd have a one time payment after birth. That way there won't be government dependence.

People would still do it for the cash - it would need to be high enough to positively influence people (ie, a good 10k PLN minimum) - and then you'd get all the village idiots breeding like mad.

Encouraging those with high IQ's to breed is no bad thing, but encouraging Pawel and Magda from the PGR to have 10 kids in their flat is nothing but reckless.
Vlad123 7 | 204
27 Nov 2012 #36
Deal, but only if the sterilize all the backward and racist wiesniakis.

I wonder, how Poles could tolerate something like this?.. If you are not Pole, what is your
concern to come here and teach Poles how they suppose to regulate their own demographic
situation and threat to them with some conquest and sterilization???

So if the invaders get invaded, what's the issue? It's just another phase in 1500 years of invasion, and it certainly hasn't done that little island any harm.

Your point is rediculous.Why modern English suppose to care that their country was invaded 1500 years ago and allow to come new invaders??? Maybe England needs to hold referendum on this issue?According to polls.

euractiv.com/socialeurope/europeans-overwhelmingly-immigra-news-507074

overwhelming majority of Europeans and English especially are against mass immigration to their countries.I do not see why they shoud ask some insane minority what to do...

Thats called diversity.
Id choose hardworking Asians over fascists blaming others for their shortcomings anytime.

And why exactly diversity is good?Could you give any arguments?And since those Europeans who like diversity in their countries are in minority maybe they will themself ultimately move to the Asian countries?..
berni23 7 | 379
27 Nov 2012 #37
I wonder, how Poles could tolerate something like this?.. If you are not Pole, what is your
concern to come here and teach Poles how they suppose to regulate their own demographic
situation and threat to them with some conquest and sterilization???

Who says im not a Pole? I sure as hell have more say than you do.
Anyway you can forget about Poland being repopulated with Ukrainians, to Polish nationalists you are nothing more than roaches.
Artur13 2 | 25
27 Nov 2012 #38
And why exactly diversity is good?Could you give any arguments?And since those Europeans who like diversity in their countries are in minority maybe they will themself ultimately move to the Asian countries?.

Funny how he did not answer this question. Most people pushing for immigration and (racial) diversity have never been anywhere relatively close to Africa or Asia.

I think it would be a good idea but only if the child is genetically European. So non Europeans won't come here breed like roaches and expect money for it.

Thanks for your response. I think if a system like this was implemented for even 10 years, the population will become stable and settle.
Vlad123 7 | 204
28 Nov 2012 #39
Anyway you can forget about Poland being repopulated with Ukrainians

I`m not sure that many of them would want to move in Poland so much,unless until
they have possibility to move in Canada,Australia and similar countries.

Funny how he did not answer this question.

I didn`t even expect he will do it. I do not think there is any sizeble number of native Europeans
who really want to convert their countries into melting pots and crowd them with numerous immigrants.
Those who say so are just playing fool or persecute some secret agendas.Unfortunately, some politicians
do it as well.As I know hardly any European country had referendum regarding immigration or counted
for mind of majority of population.If they would do, there would be practically no immigrants from outside
of EU.
BBman - | 344
28 Nov 2012 #40
I am glad to see Poland taking a lead in the effort the world needs to make to get it's population under control

I want to see countries that are overpopulated to work on reducing their population. It's really sad to see European countries dwindling in size whereas women in developing countries are popping out kids like there's no tomorrow.
mainframe - | 12
28 Nov 2012 #41
decline of Poland’s population by six million within the next 40 years

It is unlikely that the current trend will continue for 40 years - however it is likely that 20% immigration will occur from all over - including Poles returning home - in the next 40 years.
berni23 7 | 379
28 Nov 2012 #42
Funny how he did not answer this question. Most people pushing for immigration and (racial) diversity have never been anywhere relatively close to Africa or Asia.

Thats because he edited this in. And you are of course right, ive never been "close", just lived for 4 years in Joburg/Cape and over a year in Bangkok/Phangan.

Ultimately i want to live in SEA again, where the weather is better, the people friendlier and close to no racists, other than a few close minded Westerners.

And why shouldnt i like immigration? I am an immigrant myself, live in Little Istanbul and have been treated very decently by the state and other people.

I think if a system like this was implemented for even 10 years, the population will become stable and settle.

Of course it would, but illiteracy and unemployment would skyrocket in the next 20. ;)

If they would do, there would be practically no immigrants from outside
of EU.

And you are wondering, why your country is not allowed into the civilized world.
legend 3 | 664
28 Nov 2012 #43
And you are wondering, why your country is not allowed into the civilized world.

I would hardly call the West civilized. More like barbaric.
Artur13 2 | 25
28 Nov 2012 #44
And you are wondering, why your country is not allowed into the civilized world.

Ultimately i want to live in SEA again, where the weather is better, the people friendlier and close to no racists, other than a few close minded Westerners.

And why shouldnt i like immigration? I am an immigrant myself, live in Little Istanbul and have been treated very decently by the state and other people.[/quote]

Good to hear. I respect you. Instead of ruining a White country, you went to non-white countries.

Of course it would, but illiteracy and unemployment would skyrocket in the next 20. ;)

Hmm. The average IQ of the Polish people is 99. Of course there are some people with higher IQ scores, and some with lower. Now look at this website, which has the average scores of 81 countries. Notice how the top 5 are Eastern Asian countries ( extremely homogeneous) and in the next 25 there are maybe 2 or 3 non white countries. Personally, I have no problem with East Asians. I like their culture, their people. Now take a look at the bottom of the list. What do you see? All AFRICAN, MIDDLE EASTERN, and SOUTH ASIAN countries. That is where the majority of immigration to Poland would come from. So now, Berni23, who will be illiterate? Newborn Polish people, or immigrant Africans?

( No I am not attacking you or being racist. I am giving you statistics, which for sure cannot be argued.)

Here is the website by the way. sq.4mg.com/NationIQ.htm

I want to see countries that are overpopulated to work on reducing their population. It's really sad to see European countries dwindling in size whereas women in developing countries are popping out kids like there's no tomorrow.

European countries are not dwindling in size. Britain and France are vastly overpopulated. But you are right about women who COME from developing countries (i.e Pakistan, India, anywhere in Africa) to European countries, and start popping out kids like there's no tomorrow.
berni23 7 | 379
28 Nov 2012 #45
All AFRICAN, MIDDLE EASTERN, and SOUTH ASIAN countries.

Ever thought that the literacy rate in a country might correlate with its wealth?
Some people simply dont have access to education, the internet and other amenities we take for granted.

So now, Berni23, who will be illiterate? Newborn Polish people, or immigrant Africans?

It might be news to you, but illiteracy is not inheritable. ;)
Anyway the people taking advantage of the system are most likely not to care about their childrens education.
So yes, id take an university professor from Kinshasa over some wiesniakis milking the system anytime.
Vlad123 7 | 204
28 Nov 2012 #46
Good to hear. I respect you. Instead of ruining a White country, you went to non-white countries.

You are dreamer.According to his profile he lives in Germany.Don`t worry, he is playing fool, but he
is not fool enough.

And you are wondering, why your country is not allowed into the civilized world.

When immigration programs of Western countries were mentally healthier, Ukrainians were allowded
practically anywhere.Recently Canadian primier Stefen Harper told that more then 1 millions of ethnical
Ukrainians were worth addition to Canadian society.Unfortunatelly from those 1 million remained mostly
Ukrainian family names since most of them easily assimilated.1 million of Ukrainians live in U.S. too.
Fortunately I never heard about such thing as an ethical Ukrainian mafia or any other problems associated
with them.We still have to hear the same prizes from Stefen Harper about some other communities.And stories
about some beheadings, tortures and family member killings are full of Canadian newspapers...
Artur13 2 | 25
28 Nov 2012 #47
Ever thought that the literacy rate in a country might correlate with its wealth?
Some people simply dont have access to education, the internet and other amenities we take for granted.

Why don't they have access to education, the internet, and other amenities we take for granted? I mean, Africa has oil, diamonds, gold, iron, cobalt, uranium, copper, bauxite, silver, and petroleum. It is the only continent that has such a vast array of natural resources. Why can't they use these resources to modernize themselves? To build schools and cities?

Anyway the people taking advantage of the system are most likely not to care about their childrens education.
So yes, id take an university professor from Kinshasa over some wiesniakis milking the system anytime.

Where is your credible source of information that you can prove this statement? Of course they will care about their children's education. Why bring the professor here when you can go meet him there? Of course there are exceptions...Once in a while you will find a non white from a 3rd world country that behaves like a normal human being, but if you look at it from a gestalt point of view, you will see that they cause nothing but trouble for UK, France, Holland, USA.

It might be news to you, but illiteracy is not inheritable. ;)

So if it is not inheritable, why are you saying that the poor and uneducated Polish people should not have children? The children can learn and grow up to be who ever they want.

You are dreamer.According to his profile he lives in Germany.Don`t worry, he is playing fool, but he
is not fool enough.

Well I can say I am from Pekin , China. :D. But it would make sense if he was from Germany. Many Western Europeans bash Poland because they are jealous of our homogeneous nation, while they live in what used to be a great and powerful country. Now some areas are cesspools filled with 3rd world low lives.
Vlad123 7 | 204
28 Nov 2012 #48
women in developing countries are popping out kids like there's no tomorrow.

Partially, this is fault of developed countries.They could establish supply of free
contraceptives to third world countries long time ago.As well as free nice looking radio
receivers with interesting musical channels and propoganda of fertility rates regulation.
berni23 7 | 379
28 Nov 2012 #49
Why don't they have access to education, the internet, and other amenities we take for granted? I mean, Africa has oil, diamonds, gold, iron, cobalt, uranium, copper, bauxite, silver, and petroleum. It is the only continent that has such a vast array of natural resources. Why can't they use these resources to modernize themselves? To build schools and cities?

Because big cooperations stole it from them? And they are quite content to keep the population uneducated and the administration corrupt.

Of course they will care about their children's education.

The children can learn and grow up to be who ever they want.

Not if they are encouraged to "popping out kids like there's no tomorrow". ;)

I can walk down my high street and grab a kebab, Indian takeaway, Chinese buffet, Thai food or some Italian food.

WTF stole hicks access? :D
Artur13 2 | 25
28 Nov 2012 #50
We're (The UK Tax payer) is supporting hundreds of thousands of Polish people though benefit handouts and health care. I pray Poland somehow attracts these people back.
There are women in your country who instantly think of Britain once that little blue line appears on their pregnancy test.

Polish people do not benefit from handouts and health care compared to your other problems ( Pakistanis, Africans, Indians.) Poles do not try to change your culture, or institute " Shariah Law." Get rid of the worse problem first. Then, worry about the Poles, who i agree should come back. They are ( in part) causing the population decline.

Not if they are encouraged to "popping out kids like there's no tomorrow". ;)

Alright. Let's put a limit. The maximum amount of children you will receive benefits for is 4.
Marysienka 1 | 195
28 Nov 2012 #51
Repopulating Poland with Ukrainians?

If that happens I can foresee many Polish "hudsonhicks" talking about Ukraine like him about Poland :(

I fear for Poland and Ukraine to have too big Ukrainian diaspora, because
- some Ukrainins will start we want this or that bit of Poland it has more Ukrainians than Poles.
- some Poles will be even bigger on the whole "Poland for Poles" issue.
We will get in something like Polish/Lithuanian Wilno/ Polish language thing.
TommyG 1 | 361
28 Nov 2012 #52
If that happens I can foresee many Polish "hudsonhicks" talking about Ukraine like him about Poland :(

I'm pretty sure that won't happen:) It really doesn't matter if the immigrants needed are from Ukraine, Lithuania Belerus or anywhere else. If they fit into society, speak the language and make a contribution to society (and have babies:D) then surely that can only be positive for Poland. The HudsonHicks' of this world are a tiny minority and should be ignored or riducled for fun:D

There doesn't seem to be inherent hatred of Ukrainians by Poles from what I see.
Vlad123 7 | 204
29 Nov 2012 #53
Many Western Europeans bash Poland because they are jealous of our homogeneous nation, while they live in what used to be a great and powerful country.

We have to note that in the last 30 years Western countries more and more live in debt.For example total debt of U.S. is 60 trillions of USD what is approximately equal to World GDP.In other Western countries situation is not better if not worse.

usdebtclock.org/world-debt-clock.html

For example government debt of UK (90% of GDP) + external debt (505% of GDP) is already close to 600% of GDP! And total debt should be even higher.I do not know how it will end but Greece,Iceland,Ireland and some other already beg for mercy.

One of the most well kept secret of Western society is secret of its prosperity.Not because of their own manufacturing production Western countries live so well.For example Slovakia currently is country which produces largest number of cars per capita.This neighbour of Ukraine is still relatively poor country with high unemployment.In the same time Americans drive Japanese cars,eat Argentinean peers and bananas,wear Pakistani jeans and shoes.Nearly 90% of world electronics is produced in SEA.Nearly all compuer Intel processors are produced outside of U.S.! I do not know for how long such system will persist and for how long world will believe that US dollars or U.S. bonds represent some value.There was a moment when China decided that they enough U.S.

bond and will purchase them no more.Hilary Clinton immediately flown in China.I do not know about what they spoke but China desided to continue purchasing U.S. bonds and other ``valued`` papers.

Well, to have largest stockpile of nukes and largest carrier fleet is advantage,of course.But China is also increasing its carrier fleet...
If Poland will stay away from it then will develope some real economy which is self sufficient and prone to world economy crisises.

- some Ukrainins will start we want this or that bit of Poland it has more Ukrainians than Poles.

They are unlikely to concentrate in some particular area of Poland.And modern Ukrainians are not very stick to their language vs. Polish language, that it could prevent them to assimilate.
NorthMancPolak 4 | 648
29 Nov 2012 #54
Many Western Europeans bash Poland because they are jealous of our homogeneous nation

The homogenous nation you deserted, so you could move to a country which resembles those "cess-pits" you despise? Hmm...

The HudsonHicks' of this world are a tiny minority and should be ignored or riducled for fun:D

Anyone who spends so much time reading Polish forums (not this site) to check how many "benefity" are being claimed by Poles, clearly has no life, and cannot be taken seriously.

And since those Europeans who like diversity in their countries are in minority maybe they will themself ultimately move to the Asian countries?..

You won't hear me banging on about "diversity" all day like some do, but if I could find a job in my field in Hong Kong, I would move tomorrow.

Whereas I would never move to Poland - and it's nothing to do with lack of diversity.

What is better when a disfunctional mother have several children or when a decent couple have one baby?

Clearly the latter, but you'll never convince the UK government of that - and it looks like Poland is heading the same way.
TheOther 6 | 3,818
29 Nov 2012 #55
If Poland will stay away from it then will develope some real economy which is self sufficient and prone to world economy crisises.

Poland is not an island completely untouched by the world economy. To develop a strong economy, the country will need to develop competitive, high-tech products. Exactly the market where western countries (including Japan, Taiwan and South Korea) dominate and are at least 50 years ahead. If Poland isolates herself, she is doomed.
Marysienka 1 | 195
29 Nov 2012 #56
I do live in a town with two S John the Baptist Cathedrals at the Katedralna street("Ukrainian" and "Polish"). I know both types of people I spoke about, and they have tendency to make an issue bigger that it is.

But then I'd say let it happen. Ukrainians won't come to poor ,full of unemployed, east of Poland, where their ancestors lived peacefully among Poles before the II WW.
Vlad123 7 | 204
29 Nov 2012 #57
But then I'd say let it happen. Ukrainians won't come to poor ,full of unemployed, east of Poland, where their ancestors lived peacefully among Poles before the II WW.

I think that good solution for most of modern Ukrainians would be not only allow move them into EU countries as to bring EU govenment to them.For example developed countries may establish some control over certain functions of Ukrainian government including police,tax and fiscal system etc.I sure that majority of Ukrainians would agree if it settled properly.EU could establish some patronage over Ukraine.Ukraine have huge potential and could give profits if developed properly.

To develop a strong economy, the country will need to develop competitive, high-tech products. Exactly the market where western countries (including Japan, Taiwan and South Korea) dominate and are at least 50 years ahead. If Poland isolates herself, she is doomed.

I didn`t mean isolation,rather I meant self-sufficiency.It means Poland needs to have diverse industrial base and developed internal marked based on internal demand.And also be cotious of world financial system.For example, do not purchase tons of dollars or euros or bonds mindlessly.Invest more in gold and precious metals, its own manufacturing development.

Here is the website by the way.

It is interesting that if believe to those estimates level of life in different countries
is often disproportional to IQ level.For example average Slovenian IQ is 95 and Slovenia
is the richest Slavic country while average Ukrainian IQ is 96 which and Ukraine is poorest
Slavic country.I reviewed those estimated and a bit suspicious about them.They stick to
Hitler`s idea about supremacy of some particular nations too much.For example I would be
glad to know how the autor figured out that average German IQ is substentially higher than
Ukrainian or Russian, and American is higher than Ukrainian even though 40% of Americans
belong to ``visible minorities``?Is there some refference to some particular test results?
Artur13 2 | 25
29 Nov 2012 #58
Here is an article that does not point out differences by country, but by race. The observations are ( for the most part) consistent with the other article.
Vlad123 7 | 204
29 Nov 2012 #59
What I would be glad to know is how they figured out difference in IQ between different European nations.
For example they state that average IQ of Irish is only 93 while in Irelend there is handful of some minorities.
In the same time average American IQ is 98 while 40% of U.S. dwellers belong to visible minorities.
If we take for granted their point that IQ is race dependent then how come?.. Well, some Anglo-Saxons
despised Irish therefeore they could gain on them...And what is average IQ of white Americans?Probably
they should be the smartest people in the nearest part of Galaxy?..
Italy has IQ 102 (higher than Poles) and this is regardles Italians having substntial part of non-Indoeuropean
(mostly Semitic) blood... Especially Southern Italians of course.
Mongols according to them are smarter than Russians and Ukrainians...
By the way, I encountered those estimates before.They constantly change them.For example they downgraded
Poland IQ from 102 to 99.Your nation.As well as Ukraine from 99 (if I remember it correct) to 96.
It seems they are trying to suite those estimates under some classical Nazi theory...
modafinil - | 418
29 Nov 2012 #60
It seems they are trying to suite those estimates under some classical Nazi theory...

Not quite. It was originally postulated and later proved that there is a direct relation between IQ and an ample, balanced diet free of toxins. A case in point is that the Scottish IQ is 3-4 points lower than an English one, the Scottish being notorious for eating junk.

As for the one about brain size, a correlation(which never proves causation, btw) of 0.4 is laughable in scientific terms. That site isn't actually a medical journal it's a forum where any plonker can contribute and it seems any fool believe(not directed to anyone in particular). One can google about Einstein's brain, which was smaller than average, to see what really matters relating to the intelligent mind.

There is a correlation of 0.99 (near as certain as can be other than 1.0) between School grades and IQ. The attachments show the results by ethnicity over the past years in the UK.


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