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Poland to reject Snowden asylum bid


Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
2 Jul 2013  #1
"We received a document that does not meet the requirements for a formal application for asylum. Even if it did, I will not give a positive recommendation," Minister Radoslaw Sikorski tweeted, Tuesday morning. Earlier, WikiLeaks issued a statement on its web site saying that Snowdon, currently in a transit lounge at a Moscow airport, has applied for asylum in Poland as well as in Austria, Bolivia, China, Cuba, Finland, France, Germany, India, Italy, Ireland, Netherlands, Nicaragua, Norway, Russia, Spain, Switzerland and Venezuela.

Ameirca's latest whistleblower has put out asylum feelers to numerous different countries including Poland. Foreign Sec. Sikorski said he would not recommend such a move.

Your thoughts?
Polson 5 | 1,771
2 Jul 2013  #2
Your thoughts?

Considering that to Poles, America is still their big buddy, I'm not surprised they rejected it. Relations between the two countries are good I think, if they had accepted, well, big trouble.
Polson 5 | 1,771
2 Jul 2013  #4
Hard to say, diplomatic problems (with the US) is never good, especially for Poland ;)
poland_
2 Jul 2013  #5
Your thoughts?

This makes interesting reading: guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/30/nsa-leaks-us-bugging-european-allies
dany_moussalli 13 | 263
2 Jul 2013  #6
what could the usa do to poland ? poland is new a strong country ,they must take a stand .
Polson 5 | 1,771
2 Jul 2013  #7
Well, Uncle Sam will always fight for Poland to be safe from those bloody Soviets ;)
Marek11111 9 | 816
2 Jul 2013  #8
not surprise by it, Poland is like a ***** to USA
dany_moussalli 13 | 263
2 Jul 2013  #9
i prefer to side with the russians ,and not with the americans ,the americans have tried (and sometimes succeeded ) to change regimes in lots of countries .

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_United_States_foreign_regime_change_actions

and of course ,not to mention the wars they start .
Polson 5 | 1,771
2 Jul 2013  #10
i prefer to side with the russians ,and not with the americans

Russia, or actually the USSR tried to 'convert' everyone to 'communism' back then. I wouldn't 'side' with any of them ;)
I'd rather have a strong Europe to balance with those two.
dany_moussalli 13 | 263
2 Jul 2013  #11
the USSR tried to 'convert' everyone to 'communism' back then

exactly ,back then ,let's talk about russia's foreign policies after the dissolvement of the soviet union ,it hasn't caused damage like the USA did in the last 2 decades
jon357 63 | 14,123
2 Jul 2013  #12
I doubt that anywhere in the EU would seriously consider it.

Perhaps he should buy a North Korean phrase book. Then again, the weather's better in Cuba.
poland_
2 Jul 2013  #13
exactly ,back then ,let's talk about russia's foreign policies after the dissolvement of the soviet union ,it hasn't caused damage like the USA did in the last 2 decades

Stop with the anti USA propaganda.

Snowden is a trained operative he is a complex character. The first question to ask yourself is do you believe he acted within the public interest, whistle-blowing?

. Unless he gets caught by his US fellowmen first

The Russians will not give him up to the USA. They will find a way for him to get to South America.
Polson 5 | 1,771
2 Jul 2013  #14
I doubt that anywhere in the EU would seriously consider it.

True, sounds quite unlikely.
Should be South America. Unless he gets caught by his US fellowmen first.
jon357 63 | 14,123
2 Jul 2013  #15
Snowden is a trained operative he is a complex character. The first question to ask yourself is do you believe he acted within the public interest, whistle-blowing?

He seems earnest, and I could easily believe he thought he was doing the right thing. Even national security organisations recruit the wrong people. Remember David Shayler?
dany_moussalli 13 | 263
2 Jul 2013  #16
Stop with the anti USA propaganda.

this isn't anti US propaganda ,these are facts ,purely facts ,and i'm also living in a place where the US involvement made things worse
poland_
2 Jul 2013  #17
He seems earnest, and I could easily believe he thought he was doing the right thing

Yeah Jon, Snowden, Wikileaks and the NSA are all playing the same game, the jury is out with me on Snowden I am not convinced he has not already handed information over to the Chinese and the Russians, that was not the name of the game, it should be public interest. This very much matters for me as as I must view him a whistle-blower or a spy.

this isn't anti US propaganda ,these are facts ,purely facts ,and i'm also living in a place where the US involvement made things worse

So you have your own political agenda, we are discussing Snowden and his asylum bid, not how the USA influences the Arab world so many Arab countries are anti USA do you think any would offer asylum to Snowden. ?
smurf 39 | 1,982
2 Jul 2013  #18
The man should be commended for what he did......however, he only proved what most of us have already known for a long, long time.

He is unlikely to be given asylum in the EU, as America yields too much power over certain countries, including Poland, UK and Ireland.
I would love to see him given asylum, but I cannot see it happening.
Doubtlessly he'll disappear and will tragically be found death at the bottom of a gorge after a 'terrible car accident' in a few years.

Shame, the world needs more people like him.
dany_moussalli 13 | 263
2 Jul 2013  #19
Arab countries are anti USA do you think any would offer asylum to Snowden. ?

most of arab countries are allies to the USA (like saudi arabia ,qatar ,kwait etc .... ) ,and i think it would be better to snowden to get caught and not to live in an arab country
polforeigner
2 Jul 2013  #20
Hi! Poland is the USA's little doggy so it is obvious that Poland could not accept him. If he means to seek asylum in the UE (in my opinion not a bright idea), he'd better apply to (European) countries independent from the US.
Wroclaw Boy
2 Jul 2013  #21
Maybe he'll end up in an embassy somewhere just like his buddy Julian Assange. I assume peeps here have seen the letter Snowden posted last night, the hypocarcy of the US stance as detailed in the letter is truly staggering.

One week ago I left Hong Kong after it became clear that my freedom and safety were under threat for revealing the truth. My continued liberty has been owed to the efforts of friends new and old, family, and others who I have never met and probably never will. I trusted them with my life and they returned that trust with a faith in me for which I will always be thankful.

On Thursday, President Obama declared before the world that he would not permit any diplomatic "wheeling and dealing" over my case. Yet now it is being reported that after promising not to do so, the President ordered his Vice President to pressure the leaders of nations from which I have requested protection to deny my asylum petitions.

Edward Joseph Snowden

poland_
2 Jul 2013  #22
The man should be commended for what he did.

More personal nonsense from you Smurf, please for once provide us with a contribution which is on topic, You start by mentioning Snowden should be commended, commended for what exactly?

First things first does Snowden qualify for asylum will he be persecuted if he returns to the USA or is he just another crook on the run. Is he a whistle-blower or a spy who gave secrets for safe harbour?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
2 Jul 2013  #23
If caught, he will be tried in the USA for treason and sentenced to life in prison. Putin said Snowden can stay in Russia as long as he ceases his activites detrimental to 'our American partners'.
Maybe 12 | 409
2 Jul 2013  #24
Snowden has done something other than reveal the USA's Prism snooping system. Perhaps he stumbled on something much much more insidious, classified info way above his pay grade, on realising this he has fled before being disappeared. He has gone public with Prism as a way of trying to gain public support and to try and avoid ending up in a ditch.

Everyone who has half a brain knows the USA has being conducting this snooping for a longtime, so telling us something we already know doesn't really benefit anyone, except himself.

Not is the so distant past a GCHQ operative in the UK, was found dead in a holdall (bag) in his bathroom. Perhaps he tried to run and didn't succeed.

The other thing Snowden has done is assuming he will not end up dead if he is in the public eye, whistleblowers tend to end up dead. For example. Dr.Kelly and the WMD.

Finally by having his citizenship revoked he can now legally be taken out by the CIA. He is an enemy of the state. What out for Drones.... Unlucky for him. At present his safest place is a Russian airport, that sucks.....
Zibi - | 336
2 Jul 2013  #25
Snowden is a traitor on the run. And his presence in Russia only confirms that fact. His place is in jail.
Wroclaw Boy
2 Jul 2013  #26
And his presence in Russia only confirms that fact.

Get outta here, hes on the run where would you suggest he go? fact my @ss.

His place is in jail.

He deserves asylum, the same asylum the US has been granting foreigners for decades.

You think its A OK for the US to spy on the Wolrd covertly? WTF
poland_
2 Jul 2013  #27
While Snowden skips from one country to another we have to question his motivation, he has created enough publicity about himself go back to the USA face trial and finish the job.
smurf 39 | 1,982
3 Jul 2013  #28
commended for what exactly

Your targeting of me is quite becoming of you.

If you actually knew anything about the Snowden case then you'd know what I'm talking about.
What's hilarous about you is that you linked to a Guardian story, the opening paragraph of which states:

US intelligence services are spying on the European Union mission in New York and its embassy in Washington, according to the latest top secret US National Security Agency documents leaked by the whistleblower Edward Snowden.

He's a whistleblower, for that he should be commended. Is it really so difficult for you?

The other thing Snowden has done is assuming he will not end up dead if he is in the public eye, whistleblowers tend to end up dead. For example. Dr.Kelly and the WMD.

I fear it'll end the same way.

Snowden is a traitor on the run

A traitor that caught your government in the act of spying on both its own people and foreign allies. Yea, he's the traitor.

go back to the USA face trial

As if he'd be given a fair trial in 'Merika.
Monitor 14 | 1,821
3 Jul 2013  #29
shame on poland :/

They could accept him and then give away.
smurf 39 | 1,982
3 Jul 2013  #30
They could accept him

In fairness though, Snowden didn't adhere to the procedures that one must go through to obtain asylum in Poland.
If he didn't adhere to them, then he's obviously not going to be given asylum.
It's quite interesting to see what he's doing, how he's playing the game and all. And even more interesting to see how it all unfolds.


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