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What should Poland do with the problem of Belarus?


atlantic 17 | 65
16 Nov 2021 #1,081
Poland can't do anything. Putin has Lukashenkas back. In fact, Putin is notorious for such acts. See article below:
reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-finland-russia/flow-of-migrants-into-finland-from-russia-dries-up-helsinki-idUSKCN0WJ1NP
Cojestdocholery 2 | 1,191
16 Nov 2021 #1,082
One policeman fractured skull, one soldier hit with stone on the face, one broder guard female officer injured as well.

Fractured skull; I hope she'll be ok.

Save it for someone who is going to belive you. Dywersant.

Poland can't do anything.

Shoot few and few Specnaz people and the rest will back off. Lukashenko is finished anyways.
mafketis 37 | 10,882
16 Nov 2021 #1,083
One policeman fractured skull, one soldier hit with stone on the face, one broder guard female officer injured

Wow.... What a determined bunch! They can't even wait to get inside Schengen before harming citizens! I'm sure the Greens can't wait to get them inside....
jon357 74 | 22,054
16 Nov 2021 #1,084
Putin has Lukashenka's back. In fact, Putin is notorious for such acts.

This is clear. It's a much wider issue than the refugees in question.
mafketis 37 | 10,882
16 Nov 2021 #1,085
refugees

They are not refugees. They are migrants. Separate categories.
jon357 74 | 22,054
16 Nov 2021 #1,086
Separate categories.

Same issue.

Hard to know why someone from war-torn Syria isn't a refugee.
mafketis 37 | 10,882
16 Nov 2021 #1,087
Hard to know why someone from war-torn Syria isn't a refugee.

Most of the thugs at the eastern border are Iraqi Kurds... Iraqi Kurdistan is probably the best run most prosperous part of the country (although more and more it's like a de facto separate country).

This is actually fairly common, an increased in living standards tends to _increase_ out migration in the short term (since the trafficking/slaving networks aren't involved in charity and are essentially removing excess wealth from those poorly suited to have it).

And Germany is sending people back to some parts of Syria so they clearly don't regard everyone from there as a refugee either.

Same issue.

Nope. Very different.
jon357 74 | 22,054
16 Nov 2021 #1,088
out migration

I don't blame them for coming.

And thousands more are on their way.
johnny reb 48 | 7,091
16 Nov 2021 #1,089
People are getting desperate on the border now.
Their frustrations are turning to violence which will only spark a blood bath.

No 'spin'. He was a devout and observant protestant.

How do you know he wasn't faking his observant protestant beliefs in order to promote his Muslim beliefs just like he faked being Syrian.

"The UK asylum people were never convinced he was Syrian and he was refused asylum in 2014."

Are you really going to try to play that card? ..... really?

Yes because if he didn't he wouldn't be able to diminish Christianity.
You didn't know that he is a devote and observant Muslim ?

It will be interesting to see how many of his fellow devout and observant protestant brethren have also been arrested...

They are devote and observant Muslims.

The four men arrested in Liverpool have been released without charge.

The investigation is continuing with more to come as seldom do these terrorists act alone.
And this is WHY Poland wants to keep these young Muslim men out of Poland.
mafketis 37 | 10,882
16 Nov 2021 #1,090
I don't blame them for coming.

I don't blame them for being conned by the human trafficking/slave networks. That doesn't mean they (or the thousands more to come) should be let in.

And thousands more are on their way.

Thieves are determined.... so why even lock my front door when I leave?
Crnogorac3 4 | 864
16 Nov 2021 #1,091
And thousands more are on their way.

Cultural enrichment. Diversity is our strength.War is peace. Freedom is slavery.

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johnny reb 48 | 7,091
16 Nov 2021 #1,092
I don't blame them for coming

Of course not, you embrace more of them to come join you.

And thousands more are on their way.

That is why Poland has to stop it before it starts.
America didn't and we now have twenty million illegal immigrants living in our country draining the welfare system.
They are costing America a $135 BILLION a year.
Cargo pants 3 | 1,510
16 Nov 2021 #1,093
Belarussians are now moving the migrants couple miles away from the Polish border and planning to deport them.Finally I hope thats the end
johnny reb 48 | 7,091
16 Nov 2021 #1,094
Hats off to Poland for standing strong !
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,823
16 Nov 2021 #1,097
and planning to deport them.

I only read Lukashenko plans to build them a camp in a hall....nothing from deportation though....
pawian 223 | 24,375
16 Nov 2021 #1,098
Migrants were invited by Mr Lukashenka who currently functions as a president of Belarus after the rigged elections of 2020. It is natural that they should be taken care of by his men, instead of being pushed across the border to Poland. Poland doesn`t need to accept them. If they flew to Poland directly from the Middle East, then the case would be simple. But if they fly by hundreds per week into Minsk, why don`t they seek refuge and shelter in Belarus in the first place???

Finally I hope thats the end

No. Putin and Luka are planning to keep up this destabilisation campaign for weeks or even months. Only new drastic sanctions will stop them.
Cojestdocholery 2 | 1,191
16 Nov 2021 #1,099
12 policemen wounded. I think they should use gas and rubber bullets by now.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,823
16 Nov 2021 #1,100
I wonder why they don't throw stones after the belorussians....it's them who don't let them back.....
pawian 223 | 24,375
16 Nov 2021 #1,101
I think they should use gas and rubber bullets by now.

Gas is already used. Rubber bullets - not yet.

I wonder why they don't throw stones after the belorussians....

Coz Belarussian servicemen would beat them into pulp.
Miloslaw 19 | 4,914
16 Nov 2021 #1,102
Gas is already used

And water canons too and quite rightly.

Polish authorities are behaving quite properly.
Crnogorac3 4 | 864
16 Nov 2021 #1,103
Migrants were invited by Mr Lukashenka who currently functions as a president of Belarus after the rigged elections of 2020.

Even if he stole 5% to 10% of the votes hypothetically speaking, (just to make sure & confirm he would win the election) no way he could have stolen 80% of the votes. Therefore Lukashenko is still the legitimate president of Belarus.

they should be taken care of by his men, instead of being pushed across the border to Poland. Poland doesn`t need to accept them.

I don't understand the Poles for not letting migrants go to the West. Poland, as a prominent member of NATO and the most faithful American ally in Eastern Europe, should take responsibility for those unfortunate people, it was NATO and the USA that destroyed their countries and pushed them into exile and despair.
pawian 223 | 24,375
16 Nov 2021 #1,104
no way he could have stolen 80% of the votes.

hahaha You sound so endearingly naive. Of course he could and did. He`s a dictator and they don`t care how many votes they can steal - they just do it.
pawian 223 | 24,375
16 Nov 2021 #1,105
I don't understand the Poles for not letting migrants

Really? It is very simple - Poles are kind-hearted people and love to help but refuse to cooperate under blackmail conditions. It is Luka and Putin`s blackmailing game, so we won`t participate in it.

I hope you now understand everything.
jon357 74 | 22,054
16 Nov 2021 #1,106
It is Luka and Putin`s blackmailing game

Exactly. People are helping here, however to imagine there's an easy answer to the situation is naive.

I've a feeling that Lukashenka's going to get worse before he gets better.
pawian 223 | 24,375
17 Nov 2021 #1,107
Yes, highly probable. Only new sanctions will change his aggressive politics.
But PiS are too stupid to arrange them with their European partners. PiS diplomacy doesn`t exist, PIS president doesn`t exist, PIS Prime Minister doesn`t exist coz everything depends on one man who pulls the strings for those puppets.

Fortunately, voters can see this incompetence and the support for those idiots is falling.
Alien 20 | 4,965
17 Nov 2021 #1,108
I have such an impression as the Germans recently supported the PiS. It is "Real Politic"?
Cojestdocholery 2 | 1,191
17 Nov 2021 #1,109
Therefore Lukashenko is still the legitimate president of Belarus.

It doesn't matter now. He was unahappy with his situation before so he made it 1000% worse. That man is doomed, he is finished.
His delusions ended him.

I don't understand the Poles for not letting migrants go to the West.

It would made Poland look like a joke and that is why Putin support dumb Lukashenko. For Putin no matter how it end is win win.

But PiS are too stupid to arrange them with their European partners.

Yes because it is so easy, you ask and you have it. Don't talk stupid.
mafketis 37 | 10,882
17 Nov 2021 #1,110
if he stole 5% to 10% of the votes h... no way he could have stolen 80% of the votes.

Even by the tortured standards of Serbian logic that makes no sense.

boss: There is a total of 2 million euro missing from your division.
Serb: No way could I steal 2 million, maybe 100,000 at most, so I did nothing wrong!

As a general rule, elections can only be fixed by about one standard deviation (give or take about 10%). When more than that is attempted enough people intuit that there's something wrong and that's when you get protests.

Here's the thing. It's possible he won the election. He had a base of about 40% (those who still cream of a return to the CCCP) and Belarus has a first past the post system so he didn't need 50% +1 to win, just more than any other candidate.

It's conceivable he actually did have more than any other candidate and if the result were Lukashenka 44% vs 42% for the runner up... a lot of people would have been unhappy but it was kind of believable. But now, we'll never know because he's a stupid, vain man as are all dictators and he couldn't stand the humiliation of anything but the 80% he'd staked out for himself long ago.

So the announcement of 80% was so unbelievable (even Lukashenka supporters don't believe it) that something snapped and people took to the streets to make their displeasure known. And, like the stupid, vain, dictator that he is, all he could think to do was to crack down (buying off the soviet era military and police) and sacrificed his country's future (a large percentage of those brutalized are the young and well-educated which the country needs).

And he sold his @ss to Putin for a Kadyrov style Chechen solution as long as he got to remain the local big man.... a truly despicable figure who will be remembered as the ultimate traitor of his country.


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