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Presidential elections and debates 2015 Poland


Lolek222 - | 79
30 May 2015 #421
Douglas what are u talking about. Pis isn't an anti European party after all it was Kaczynski that signed the nice treaty, listing to bs is not a wise choice.

As for liberal party u must have mistaken liberalism with thievery and corruption, Douglas old chap u are clueless, sorry.
Wulkan - | 3,203
30 May 2015 #422
They are definitely bad for me as I import dry goods and I could spell out the ways in which a PIS administration makes things more complicated

You can't even spell PiS ("i" is not capital) so how can you convince anyone that you know anything about this party.
gregy741 5 | 1,232
30 May 2015 #423
s for liberal party u must have mistaken liberalism with thievery and corruption, Douglas old chap u are clueless, sorry

this guy dougpol is clueless ,,its like listening TVN..PO great for business..lol
Poland has been dropping massively in recent years in every rankings in regard of business friendly state.
we have now,most complicated tax and employment law,and massively increased bureaucracy.
this guy is clueless..hes just repeating most laughable propaganda..
PO liberal..hahaha,conservative? lol
eh?
31 May 2015 #424
Don't know if it's PO's economic policies suddenly bearing fruit or public optimism at PiS's presidential win, but never seen the shops as busy as this on a Sat afternoon and into early evening as I did yesterday (Sat 30 May). It looked pretty similar to like a few days before Christmas. Car parks with far fewer spaces than usual was the first sign of what I had to face inside.
Marsupial - | 880
31 May 2015 #425
Maybe everyone was holding off spending to see outcome. I just did the same here so I could hear the budget to see what I can get.
gregy741 5 | 1,232
31 May 2015 #426
Don't know if it's PO's economic policies suddenly bearing fruit or public optimism at PiS's presidential win, but never seen the shops as busy as this on a Sat afternoon and into early evening as I did yesterday

and it so happened..news from today :
wiadomosci.onet.pl/poznan/handlowe-ulice-poznania-umieraja/7y4xf0
economic miracle made by PO.

Important: If you post a link to a non-English source, ALWAYS summarize / translate the relevant parts into English!
Polonius3 994 | 12,367
31 May 2015 #427
The article merely states that traditonal Poznań shopping streets are gradually dying as a result of a growng number of big shopping malls. This has been happening in many different countries that do not have the Platformers in power.
Dougpol1 31 | 2,640
31 May 2015 #428
never seen the shops as busy as this on a Sat afternoon and into early evening as I did yesterday (Sat 30 May)

Because people are buying summer stuff? What does this have to do with a PIS president winning? Certainly there is not a feel good factor either here in Trojmiasto or my base of Katowice.

The youngsters here can talk all they want about populism and their sad catholic "utopia". Obviously they have no clue about what a stable economy is, or how to achieve it. I am still hoping against hope that Poles west of Radom do not want a socialist government in October.
eh?
31 May 2015 #429
Well, PiS or PO or Kukiz, to be successful in biz you have to fix the roof when the sun's shining because conditions don't stay favourable for any kind of business for eternity. You know, make hay while the sun shines etc.. Its a bit like not being able to walk those dogs when its chucking it down with rain, instead offer 30% longer walks for just 20% more the next day or do extra walks when it's not raining to keep your profit and loss steady as she goes.
weeg2
2 Jun 2015 #430
now feel much safer knowing that is in Poland elected patriotic president such is Andrzej Duda. Strong Poland and her balanced politics would for sure act as stabilizing factor on European political scene, on the contrary to aggressive politics promoted by western European powers led by USA.

You will be glad to heard the new president express his support for closer relations with the USA, more NATO bases with weapon stores and even a EU army. Plus a stronger Polish Army to defend against Russian agression.

defence24.com/analysis_duda-security-first-will-the-new-polish-president-continue-or-will-he-change-the-polish-security-policy
Dougpol1 31 | 2,640
2 Jun 2015 #431
Money spent on paper defences is money wasted, just like in the '30s. Totally and utterly pointless. The Polish armed forces are a token force to satisfy NATO, exactly as the German "army" is. And rightly so. Leave the real fighting to the redneck Yanks.

In the meantime, areas like Silesia are the land that time criminally forgot and the nations' hope, it's children, are neglected.

Nationalist right-wingers with hopeless and populist socialist economic policies are really and truly the scum of the civilised world. Germany had one of those systems in the last century...............

First and foremost, Poland needs a blitzing and remodelling of it's inner cities. Only market forces can provide for that in such a relatively poor country.
weeg2
2 Jun 2015 #432
what paper defenses are you talkinging about? bases with heavy weapons are solid tools to use quickly. Polands armed forces are not token, they are as good as Poland can afford for now.
TheOther 6 | 3,674
3 Jun 2015 #433
what paper defenses are you talkinging about?

A conflict between NATO and the Russians would turn nuclear within minutes. No need for an old fashioned army.
Dougpol1 31 | 2,640
3 Jun 2015 #434
Haven't you heard? The Poles would never allow that! It's not fair play - PIS romanticism and all that winged hussar stuff :)
Polonius3 994 | 12,367
3 Jun 2015 #435
Merged: ON PRESIDENT-ELECT DUDA

Presidnetial elections are not every day, so I hope the mods will be indulgent and allow this rather long quote form Deutsche Welle to be be posted:

Poland's Andrzej Duda:
From boy scout to president

Andrzej Duda, Poland's new president, is young, smart, dynamic - and relatively unknown. But he has a well-known backer: Jaroslaw Kaczynski, the conservative head of the Law and Justice Party.

In the work experience section of Andrzej Duda's résumé, the first line reads: "In 1984, I joined the Boy Scouts in Krakow, and after a few years, became group leader." Duda often refers to his years with the Boy Scouts - and with noticeable pride. It begs the question if the experience is really of such significance for a top politician?

Cropped 100+ words

Source dw/polands-andrzej-duda-from-boy-scout-to-president/a-18475341
Dougpol1 31 | 2,640
3 Jun 2015 #436
Mmmm - thanks Polonious.

Duda couldn't look the voters in the eye though during that TV debate. In Britain or the USA that fact would have finished him, as was the case in the Us presidential election of '60 with "Tricky Dicky".

Time will tell.
Polonius3 994 | 12,367
3 Jun 2015 #437
couldn't look the voters in the eye

Tusk was known as shifty-eyed Don!
I reckon no politician has a monopoly on that.
jon357 74 | 21,770
3 Jun 2015 #438
Tusk was known as shifty-eyed Don!

'Was' when and by whom?
Polonius3 994 | 12,367
3 Jun 2015 #439
when

I heard "Donek rozbiegane oczka" and similar descriuptives from idifferent people but probably not in decadent circles with which I thankfully try to keep away from. Actually Tusk was one for not looking one in the eye.

"Tricky Dicky".

Did you know Nixon won his debate with JFK on the radio, but lost it on the telly?.
Dougpol1 31 | 2,640
3 Jun 2015 #440
That backs up my point, that a politician has to look his electorate in the eye. Duda has palpably failed to do that, and I and millions of others don't trust him.
Polonius3 994 | 12,367
3 Jun 2015 #441
Maybe that's why Tusk hightailed it off to Brussels. He was as eye-shirking as they come, maybe except for Kwaśniewski.
jon357 74 | 21,770
4 Jun 2015 #442
Now Kwasniewski was a good president, though not so good as our outgoing one. Both far better than Poland's worst ever, who came between their terms of office.
Polonius3 994 | 12,367
4 Jun 2015 #443
worst ever

That is only the skewed view of rabid Kaczyński haters. No-one else upheld Poland's majesty and dignity both ta home and abroad as well as President Lech did. Spiteful Platformers, who were already promising Poland a president from Kashubia and a PM form Kraków, were do shocked and dismayed by their defeat that they reacted by setting up an anti-PiS hate industry which you so admire and support. So start packing your bags, a golden age of PiS supremacy beckons.
jon357 74 | 21,770
4 Jun 2015 #444
No-one else upheld Poland's majesty and dignity both ta home and abroad as well as President Lech did.

Or rather undermined it, as underlined by the speed in which his party (led by his twin) were dumped from office.

a golden age of PiS supremacy beckons.

They'd better be quick, given their ageing support base.
Wulkan - | 3,203
5 Jun 2015 #445
They'd better be quick, given their ageing support base.

Not that I support PiS but there are many young PiS supporters.
Polsyr 6 | 760
5 Jun 2015 #446
given their ageing support base

They will support them right to the grave won't they now...
Wulkan - | 3,203
5 Jun 2015 #447
They surely won't convert to PO, probably nobody will.
jon357 74 | 21,770
5 Jun 2015 #448
They will support them right to the grave won't they now...

Pretty well. One positive is that Polish political parties are constantly shape-shifting and the next grouping will appeal to the next generation who turn out regularly to vote. All signs suggest that whatever comes next will be closer in spirit to Platforma than to the PiS flappers.

Something I've noticed. On here some of them always seem to see it as a 2 way thing. As if it's republican v democrat etc. The third largest grouping in parliament, PSL, is very rarely mentioned yet their presence in a coalition can (and does) make a difference.
Polonius3 994 | 12,367
5 Jun 2015 #449
PSL, is very rarely mentioned

Because the latest surveys show PSL, SLD, and whackos like Korwin and Palikot to be out of the running. Of course that may change by autumn. I was surprised that Korwin fared as well as he did in some earlier surveys. And Palikot at one point had a decent score for a new party. I guess there are always enough nutters to supports any off-the-wall thing that comes along. Poland once had a Beer Lovers' Party, after all. Current lunatic fringe groups inlcude nationalists and greens but their support in Poland is even below the margin of error level.
teargas - | 71
5 Jun 2015 #450
Something I've noticed. On here some of them always seem to see it as a 2 way thing. As if it's republican v democrat etc. The third largest grouping in parliament, PSL, is very rarely mentioned yet their presence in a coalition can (and does) make a difference.

Yes, the PSL also tend to do better in elections than they poll. If it wasn't for PO doing a great job in Western Poland of destroying their small town electoral base, they would be polling at around 8-9% as usual.

The problem with Kukiz is history. Presidential elections always seem to attract strange protest votes, which means that he doesn't have much time to build any sort of electoral structures. He also doesn't have any political big names behind him, which are sorely needed in a bruising parliamentary campaign. PiS may feel that he will be their puppet, but if the situation arises that PiS get 30% and Kukiz 20%, why would they support PiS without significant concessions?


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