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Prediction: Poland to be World Superpower in XXI century


Seanus 15 | 19,672
13 Sep 2009 #31
Well, time will tell but you will have to get your VISA first before going ;) ;)
OP Juche 9 | 292
13 Sep 2009 #32
In case of Russian decline Poland can offer help, aid and install its sockpuppets especially since Belariusians have rather weak national identity and buying them and re-creating them into something else is easier than with Ukraine.

wonder what the odds of a direct Polish-Russian conflict over Belarus might be. Building that bunker might not be such a silly sounding idea after all, booyah!
Sokrates 8 | 3,345
13 Sep 2009 #33
I'm not sure how good your Polish is Sean and Kaczmarski wrote in a way that only a Pole can fully understand but if your Polish is good enough this song is absolutely spot on.

youtube.com/watch?v=kcxEu2IVT0c&feature=related
Seanus 15 | 19,672
11 Jun 2010 #34
Always good to use the search facility :) :)

Poland will slowly progress due to technological exchanges but will be placed higher when other major powers begin to lose their prowess and standing!
TheOther 6 | 3,667
11 Jun 2010 #35
but will be placed higher when other major powers begin to lose their prowess and standing

Which of course won't happen because Poland will go down together with those major powers. Poland is not an isolated country.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,841
11 Jun 2010 #36
Or it will be darn lonely....without their long term neighbours...as only wind breezes through the once so vibrant but now empty, detoriating metropoles of Moscow, Berlin, Vienna, Paris, London...

As all are died out now...:(
Crow 154 | 8,996
11 Jun 2010 #38
Prediction: Poland to be World Superpower in XXI century

only, if God is upon us all!
nomaderol 5 | 726
11 Jun 2010 #39
A new definition of "superpower" is needed.. Having nukes does not mean superpower anymore as nobody can use them.. Conventional weapons too are not so important anymore as guerilla type wars are more effective.. Economy power is superpower? But, economy is a thing that all countries dependent to each others. USA may seem to be superpower if you watch NBA only. There are tens of millions of jobless and homeless people there. For me, USA not been a superpower for 2 decades after soviets were collapsed. Russia, China, etc are not superpowers either.

Poland is already a superpower at the moment as its decisions nowadays are very important and can influence the whole world. Siding with any side (USA or EU or Russia) will make Poland a puppet country.
Seanus 15 | 19,672
11 Jun 2010 #40
Tusk has sided with both ;) ;)
nomaderol 5 | 726
11 Jun 2010 #41
the both? you mean USA and Russia?
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,841
11 Jun 2010 #42
Siding with any side (USA or EU or Russia) will make Poland a puppet country.

Not cooperating means you are becoming isolated very soon. I doubt Poland can afford it to live all by itself.

Tusk has sided with both ;) ;)

Smart man!
nomaderol 5 | 726
11 Jun 2010 #43
Superpower logic is so. A superpower claims "i don't need anyone else, they are dependent to me, i can do whatever i want."

Poland can afford or not.. Which country been able to afford to live all by itself? Russia? Dependent to Poland now. EU? Dependent to Poland now. USA? Dependent to Poland now. Etc.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,841
11 Jun 2010 #44
Superpower logic is so. A superpower claims "i don't need anyone else, they are dependent to me, i can do whatever i want."

Well....that's why the US and Russia are Super Powers but Germany or Poland are not...we just don't have the resources and never will!

Yes, Russia could live by itself and the US was quite isolationist already till WWII....they both could do so again without missing us.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,648
11 Jun 2010 #45
they both could do so again without missing us.

I don't know if that's possible. We don't have the population growth to support the amount of economic growth we want, so Wall Street wants to be as global as possible. Russia has had it's economic woes, too. A place like East Asia might be able to do it because of their huge amount of people, at least for a little while. They will get to the point where they will start grasping, too, if they stick with capitalism. You cannot grow within yourself to sustain yourself for very long. That's the problem with capitalism, You are always so dependent on your market, you cannot make money without it, so you will do anything just to have a market, and go anywhere, too.
nomaderol 5 | 726
11 Jun 2010 #46
the US and Russia are Super Powers

Lol. Even Israel is more powerful than the both.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,841
11 Jun 2010 #47
I don't know if that's possible.

If need would demand it you could. That doesn't mean your life would go on as it does but you could do it!
Poland or Germany couldn't do it, even if they wanted!

Lol. Even Israel is more powerful than the both.

Yeah, that's why Israel is paying billions of support dollars each year to the US and holds its diplomatical umbrella over them to help them internationally...

....oopsie...

jewishvirtuallibrary

Altogether, since 1949, Israel has received more than $106 billion in assistance. This includes the four special allocations, the $10 billion in loan guarantees (spread over five years) approved in 1992, the $9 billion in guarantees offered in 2003, and a variety of other smaller assistance-related accounts, such as refugee resettlement (nearly $1.6 billion overall since 1973), the American Schools and Hospitals Abroad Program (ASHA), which supports schools, libraries and medical centers that demonstrate American ideas and practices (($144 million), and cooperative development programs (a total of $186 million since 1981).

Israel looks strong compared to their rag head neighbours only because of the help and continous support of the US.
But outside the ME Israel is anything but...
nomaderol 5 | 726
11 Jun 2010 #48
Yeah, that's why Israel is paying billions of support dollars each year to the US and holds its diplomatical umbrella over them to help them internationally...

Well... Without Israel, USA economy is nothing! but a balloon... We seeing this already with this crisis in USA.. We saw that also in Poland after WWII.. when Jews moved to USA.. If Jews didnt move to USA, but, stayed in Poland, today's USA would be Poland now..
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,841
11 Jun 2010 #49
Without Israel, USA economy is nothing! but a balloon.

Erm...any stats to support that funny idea of yours?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_United_States

GDP $14.266 trillion (2009)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Israel

GDP $206.9 billion (2009 est.)

Fact is without the support of the US Israel would go down the drain soon.

If Jews didnt move to USA, but, stayed in Poland, today's USA would be Poland now..

Well, as long Jews don't start to sh*it oil and many other resources I very much doubt that...

The far majority of the polish jewry back then had been black clad, pelt hatted, sthetl running orthodox who only knew about their talmud.

No enrichment to any progressive society!
nomaderol 5 | 726
11 Jun 2010 #50
Look.. Israel charging USA in terms of "debt". Israel charging Europe in terms of holocost payment.. Do you still not see West is totally dependent to Israel from economy point of view? Hence, this so-called aid ship organization was made by the West against the boss of West, Israel.. What did Israel say? "I do not let that ship enter my area" and they did what they said.. USA, Russia and EU are unable to do what they are saying..
PlasticPole 7 | 2,648
11 Jun 2010 #51
If need would demand it you could.

BB, I honestly don't think we could live like that now. We were like that when we were an agricultural society that mostly exported. Nowadays, we are so mixed up in other country's financial situations because of Wall Street, we can't become isolationists. We wanted to after the economic crisis, but we created it with our stupid Collateralized Debt Obligations, so it isn't exactly their faults.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,841
11 Jun 2010 #52
Do you still not see West is totally dependent to Israel from economy point of view?

Nope...and no sane observer would!

BB, I honestly don't think we could live like that now.

Hopefully we won't have to find out...:)
nomaderol 5 | 726
11 Jun 2010 #53
In August 2007, the Bush Administration agreed to increase U.S. military assistance to Israel by $6 billion over the following decade. Israel is to receive incremental annual increases of $150 mllion, starting at $2.55 billion in FY2009 and reaching $3.15 billion per year for FY2013-2018.

As I said above, Israel is charging USA as Jews made USA rich and still control half of USA's richness.. Face the reality, Israel is the boss of west.. West is angry at the economy crisis and blaming Israel for that. Wrong. It is West's fault.. by investing much to weapon industry, to nukes, etc..

You gave these numbers above.. Lets have a look at how much only Iraq war costed USA

Taken from a site: money spent by the US Government to finance both the War in Iraq is $727453449283.. What? 727 trillions! And, USA been unable to win even Iraq war yet.. What a superpower! Just a fat man with a high blood tension..
Mr Grunwald 32 | 2,173
11 Jun 2010 #54
Poland has the potential of become a Major player in her region (is quite important already)
Maybe even a slightly at a global scale. But I really honestly doubt that Poland will be a global Superpower, not without any kick start help from an drowning ally-superpower

If for instance Russia would share their knowledge with Poland while she is drowning and getting an guarantee that Poland will leave RUSSIA alone (not her neighbors etc) then I can see an example of Poland having a chance to emerge greater then ever. Although it has such small chances of happening I clearly doubt it.

In Germany in general they had had such a psychological hang over that in the next decades or century at least they won't go bombastically expanding.
nomaderol 5 | 726
11 Jun 2010 #55
Superpower (being only one power in world) is a meaningless term as real power is not weapons, but, economy.

So, Poland can be power only like other powers, but, this means Poland need to cooperate with Israel.. All other options will make Poland weak as all other options (USA, Russia, etc) are powers based on weapons and weapon power is not a real power anymore in this era. Nobody can start the world war and even a local war can result in world war..
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,841
11 Jun 2010 #56
And, USA been unable to win even Iraq war yet.. What a superpower! Just a fat man with a high blood tension..

That has more to do with a wrong strategy than the ability...the US could nuke the whole hell hole and be done with it but instead they try the soft approach of lawful warfare against suicide bombers and guerrilla tactics.

Jews made USA rich

Well...as the most Jews arrived not before WWII and many from Russia and still today altogether only comprise of around 5 million one can say that many of them surely prospered IN the USA and got rich but not that they MADE the US rich.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_the_United_States#Current_situation
They are just to few of them....5 million out of nearly 300 million.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_of_America

Why not saying the Germans made the US rich...many more millions of them there....;)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Americans

51 million!

but, this means Poland need to cooperate with Israel

Well, Poland does so already through the workings of the EU...
zetigrek
12 Jun 2010 #57
What a bullsh1t:

War Japan launches an attack on the American strategic objectives in outer space on November 24, 2050 . , On Thanksgiving . In the war, Poland will come as a big win , but the losses will reach tens of thousands of people. Poland will take over the port of Rijeka and base in Western Greece.

Unexpected turbulence in the global economy weakened appetite to anticipate the near future. Forecasts more distant are less risky . Hardly anyone is trying to chalk out a political scenario of the world for 50 years or 100 That task fell to George Friedman in a newly published book " The Next 100 Years . A Forecast for the 21st Century " ( " The next one hundred years . Forecast for twenty-first century . " ) . Friedman is the founder and head of Stratfor , a leading private intelligence agencies and forecasting , based in Austin, Texas . It is sometimes called Shadow CIA , though a lot of exaggeration , and critics say that its development is often a cocktail analysis of the facts and science fiction .


bajki, bajki, bajki... lol
Mr Grunwald 32 | 2,173
12 Jun 2010 #58
Superpower (being only one power in world) is a meaningless term as real power is not weapons, but, economy.

So, Poland can be power only like other powers, but, this means Poland need to cooperate with Israel.. All other options will make Poland weak as all other options (USA, Russia, etc) are powers based on weapons and weapon power is not a real power anymore in this era.

Superpower is a power which can strike any place on earth without huge problems of transportation and not lose all of your transport :)
(like GB during colonial times or U.S.A during cold war)

Also one can be a Superpower by controlling everyone by their balls or their wallets ;)

A local war can start as a local one and end like a local one. As long no major players will have any interests in joining it.

Let's say Poland and Lithuania walk out of NATO and Poland invades Lithuania!
(Russia would be immobilized because of NATO while Germany at the other hand has such a terrible experience from WW2 that even on expeditionary missions they have to have forces next to them from a foreign country)

Unless Belarus would use that situation and invade Poland with hidden Russian assistance.
There is much to think over it, yeah :)
nomaderol 5 | 726
12 Jun 2010 #59
They are just to few of them....5 million out of nearly 300 million.

Well.. there can be a tousand of worker in a factory, but, factory builder or owner is only a few people..

Check 300 million of Americans now and wealth distribution. You can easily see wealth of 5-10% of people have equal wealth of 90%.. That's 5 million Jews in USA is equal to 250 million people in USA.

Superpower is a power which can strike any place on earth without huge problems of transportation and not lose all of your transport :)
(like GB during colonial times or U.S.A during cold war)

Old days.. Not anymore.. Weapon transfer takes much longer time than money transfer..
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,841
12 Jun 2010 #60
while Germany at the other hand has such a terrible experience from WW2 that even on expeditionary missions they have to have forces next to them from a foreign country)

We won't have any army to speak of soon because of austerity measures! ;)

You can easily see wealth of 5-10% of people have equal wealth of 90%..

Well, that is similiar to all western capitalist countries I believe (also with countries without any significant jewish population), and in many second and third world country the riches are distributed even more unequally...nothing "jewish" about it.


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