Lots of crap going on in Poland but I don't have the time (and nerves) to read PF and comment on here so I stay away, but I had a look today at a few pages on this thread and I'd like to share some observation.
PiS supporters on here sound like Putin's supporters in Russia.
The KODerasts (KODeraści) and their ilk are prepared to tarnish the country's image, sabotage the government and destabilise the state in pursuit of their overriding aim -- return to power.
I see Polish nationalists even adapt the way Russian nationalists speak about democratic opposition in Russia. I've already written on PF that Russians call liberals "liberasts" (либерасты) which is a portmanteau of words "liberal" and "pederast" (педераст - a derogatory term for homosexuals, used like this also in Poland).
Damn morons, saboteurs, traitors and punks.
Those people by their irresponsible and selfish action endanger security of Poland, they aim to destabilize that country and they don't care for consequences.
Saboteurs or morons are just very mild names for such a people.
Again - democratic opposition and protesters in Russia are called exactly the same and accused of exactly the same.
Decibels and compliant media like the Michnik rag and TVN only show that some agenda is heavily bankrolled (by Soros, the Kremlin et al?!).
And again - people (including media) opposing Putin and his United Russia (/Kaczyński and PiS) can't possibly be doing it out of their own conviction. Someone must be behind this "bankrolling" them. Or they must be stupid sheep listening to media influenced by hostile governments (and the Jews :)).
The only difference is that according to pro-Putin Russians the opposition media are payed by USA and the West and according to PiS supporters (or nationalists among them, at least) the non pro-PiS, non-right wing media in Poland are payed by Germany (and the Jews, according to the more anti-Semitic ones lol) and nowadays, according to them, probably by the rest of the EU lol
When fanatical agitators herd crowds into the streets on a weekly basis that causes commotion, disrupts normal traffic, disorganises nomral people's lives as well as requiring street closures, rerouting traffic and police protection at the taxpayers' expense.
OMG, the disruption of normal traffic got me the most!!! :D I remember one Russian guy from Moscow, a mild supporter of Putin (as he claimed) and a vicious hater of democratic Russian opposition (he claimed they are mostly Jews and are payed by the West + commented that Garri Kasparow looks like an ape and he's not a real Russian anyway) complained on regular basis about pro-democracy and anti-Putin demonstrations that nobody wants them, nobody cares for them and they only disrupt the normal traffic in Moscow! Who cares about democracy and an authoritarian leader - people want to get to home from work, they don't want traffic jams! :O
People in Russia know their priorities, unlike those weirdos in Gayropa (and Poland, until recently :/)! :D
Btw, when my anti-Putin Russian friend came to Warsaw to sightsee she was so amazed (in a positive way) about all the demonstrations taking place in Warsaw (like, for example, families with kids and balloons on some pro-life demonstration) and small presence of friendly police - that was during PO-PSL rule.
Also, PiS supporters didn't seem too bothered about the destruction of Warsaw during the Independence marches. Oh the hypocrisy...
I remember all those comments from Russians about "the hienas waiting in line for paychecks outside the US embassy in Moscow" (about democratic opposition and protesters), that all the liberal opposition wants is to get to power and steal money as they did in the past and they want to sell Russia to the US and to the West and all the US and the West and Poland want is to put Russia on its knees or destroy it altogether. And democratic opposition in Russia, of course, is ready to get to power by the means of bloody revolution, they would do anything just to get those dollars, eh.
Bringing country from its knees is also a common rhetoric for both Russian supporters of Putin and Polish supporters of PiS.
Also, I don't know what it looks like among supporters of PiS in general, but what I've noticed here is disregard for democracy and autocratic mentality (something that usually Poles were accusing Russians of!) with all this love for II RP and Piłsudski and stuff like Polonius3 writing that Piłsudski was tired of "squabbling parliament" in one of the threads some time ago. Also I think I recall Ironside wrote something about killing people in the streets. I didn't comment on all of that but I must say that it chilled the blood in my veins and got carved in my mind, as you can see.
I just wonder when PiS will stop to pretend that they care about democracy at all. And whether their supporters care about it and to what extent.
Russians don't seem to care about it anymore. I've seen Russians calling it "**********" (дермократия - gównokracja) and democrats - "**********" (дермократы - gównokraci). According to Putin Russia has it's own original version of democracy that fits the enigmatic Russian spirit or whatever (in reality it's just an ordinary autocracy and there's nothing "special" or "original" about it) which is called "sovereign democracy" lol:
I wonder whether also in Poland normal democracy will be considered an invention of the "degenerate West" and PiS will think of sth fitting the "unique Polish spirit" more lol
Actually, what am I saying... They're already doing that...
And of course any criticism by the West (and Poland) against transgressions against democracy and rule of law are considered to be "political" and "hostile" and an attempt to put Russia into a corner or "on its knees". We are already hearing the same from the Polish government talking in such terms about opposition and the EU.
EU/foreign governments/foreign media, etc. "interfering in internal affairs" - that's a Russian mantra (and a mantra of any autocratic regime and dictatorship, for that matter) that is becoming also a mantra of the Polish government. You really don't have to be a genius to see that. I hope EU leaders and diplomats are seeing this too and won't turn a blind eye (it seems to me that Cameron already did that in order to make a deal with Poland - shame).
According to Russians NGO's are paid by the West. Amnesty International is a Western organisation (ah, Venice Commission and its "non binding opinions" come to mind :))) and hence is "political" and lies about everything that concerns Russia (human rights violations, journalists ending up dead, war crimes, etc. - lies, lies, Western lies lol).
Putin didn't care about demonstrations (despite the fact that they were much more numerous then in Poland), demonstrations didn't seem to change much in Hungary and PiS doesn't seem to be impressed by them either.
I don't know how many people would have to come to the streets in order to make PiS change their ways. As many as during Solidarity protests during commie times?
I really don't know.
It seems to me that PiS is like Putin - it will go as far as we'll let them (and they will be lying in our faces in the meantime, just like Putin does). And since it's a democratically elected government I'm not sure what we can do about it except protesting in the streets. But there would have to be some really mass protests and I'm afraid that by the time Poles will wake up it's going to be waaay to late. PiS is doing everything much faster than Putin (this has its advantages and disadvantages). I remember arguing about the experimental law in Saint Petersburg banning "homosexual propaganda" with that Russian guy (the one who called Kasparov an ape) before the West and Madonna took any interest. When they finally did it was too late, of course.
And I'm afraid the EU may be our only hope. I hope they won't leave it be :/
You know, there was a time when I found it funny how Russian and Polish nationalists are alike (well, nationalists everywhere are alike, I guess). It was so funny because they hate each other so much.
It would be funny how PiS seems to be parroting Putin (not Orban anymore, it got too far already, I think) and hating on him at the same time if I didn't live in this country. But I do and I care about Poland and it's not funny anymore. It's scary.
It looks really bad. I can't believe this is happening in Poland
. That people like those in PiS were actually born in my country. How's that possible? In Poland that fought against totalitarian regimes, against communism? So much sacrifice and for what? To be all of that thrown away after less than 30 years?? It's heartbreaking... I can't believe what's happening... :( Damn, people must have felt this way in Germany when (democratically-elected) NSDAP came to power...
But simple decency requires them to be loyal to the democratically elected government and officially reconcile themselves to their electoral defeat.
Wow, this is rich coming from a PiS supporter! lol How can you people be such hypocrites? I don't get this party fanaticism. Have people lost their minds? Is this party your family, or sth? They're just politicians, ffs! And crappy ones at that! ;/
I could go on like this but don't have time atm. Maybe some day I'll even make a thread because there's lots to write about, if I have time and will and some funny things won't start happening to my computer like when I was writing about the Ukraine crisis and I wasn't able to write on the internet for months ("greetings" to "sad gentlemen" from Russia if they had anything to do with it lol). Because nowadays my mum is warning me about "sad gentlemen" from Poland spying on the internet lol :/ She's afraid I'm going to get "internowana" for writing on the internet... lol That's like the term from commie times for people who were ending up in prison for "anti-communist activity" lol I hope it won't come to this. I was laughing when she was saying that she's afraid of "those people" (PiS) before the elections... I thought she was exaggerating, but I don't think that anymore... And I'm not laughing anymore... :(
This is all depressing, to be honest... Especially considering all the sh1t that's going on in the world and with the EU and Trump in the US...
I wouldn't like to be Lathspell, the bearer of bad news again, but all of this doesn't look good... This is not 2007, people... The world has changed and Poland has changed too... The question is - how much...
I've seen Russians calling it "**********" (дермократия - gównokracja) and democrats - "**********" (дермократы - gównokraci).
The censored words are "sh1tocracy" and "sh1tocrats".