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Poland's post-election political scene


jon357 66 | 17,068
30 Jul 2017 #3,751
Yes,

They hate democracy. They want to create a new state in line with their totalitarian aims. They are absolutely transparent about this.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
30 Jul 2017 #3,752
PiS

Wherever one looks, signs of the good change abound. The number of companies declared bankrupt in Poland has fallen, according to the National Debt Register.

From July 2016 to the end of June 2017, 563 firms were declared bankrupt.
According to National Debt Register's Adam Łącki, "over the past few years, at least 700 have gone bankrupt every year, sometimes over 800 firms. The current statistics indicate that this year the number of bankruptcies may be lower than 600. This is in large part due to two factors - changes in bankruptcy law and the strong Polish economy." Other positive economic indicators are up: GDP, emplyoment, investments, production, exports and budget surplus. Negative ones such as unemploymernt and inflation are down. And to think that the hysterical "total oppositon" are so blinded by their irrational hatred that they do not even see such obvious achievements.
jon357 66 | 17,068
30 Jul 2017 #3,753
signs of the good change abound

The only sign of good change is that thousands of people have come out to resist the PiS junta's attempted coup.

There could be a nice surprise from 18-35 year old voters who didn't bother to turn out last time.
nothanks - | 640
30 Jul 2017 #3,754
Why is the EU getting involved again? Is PiS threatening to alter the way elections are counted or ran. Total headscratcher here. Meanwhile how many terrorist attacks in Germany this week? And their government is permitted to reject a refugee cap

EU -> no credibility. Ideological extremist.
cms 9 | 1,271
30 Jul 2017 #3,755
Simple answer to that - the govt is not following the rules it agreed to when it joined, and which bind the other 27 members. Having the judges and the prosecutor report to the same person is a clear breach of EU rules

German terrorism is a totally unrelated issue.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
30 Jul 2017 #3,756
thousands of people

Thousands of people duped and manipulated by sinister outside forces, such as the Soros-bankrolled NGO Open Dialogue Foundation urging the violent overthrow of the government. They are collaborating with Poland's own poor-losers' movement whose motto is: ULICA, ZAGRANICA i TARGOWICA!. Many of the proteters didn't really know what they were demonstrating for or against and just repeated mantra-like slogans such as "wolne sądy". But the High Corut is not very "wolny" if the majority of its judges bear a "Made in PRL" label and swore allegiance only to the Soviet-backed PRL puppet state..
jon357 66 | 17,068
30 Jul 2017 #3,757
Thousands of people duped and manipulated by sinister outside forces

urging the violent overthrow of the government

That's actually quite funny.

One assumes you were as absent from the Polish pro-democracy protests as you were from the monthly Smolenskist grief-fest. After all, they're all after lunchtime.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
30 Jul 2017 #3,758
rules

The justice system and social affairs are outside the EU's purview, those matters being left to the national member states. So Brusselcrat Timmermans, not a democratically elected official but a memebr of the hand-washes-hand Brussels clique, is in violation of the EU'S own rules.
cms 9 | 1,271
30 Jul 2017 #3,759
It is clearly within the EUs remit under the basic law and the accession treaty. All details can be found in the EU's many press releases and explanatory notes on the issue. Poland was a willing signatory of these.
mafketis 24 | 9,385
30 Jul 2017 #3,760
The justice system and social affairs are outside the EU's purview

No entirely, there's a broad range of reform possible but PiS's ungodly abortion violates all western civilizational norms.

Remember, TANSTAAFL! (There' ain't no such thing as a free lunch!) for Poland this means (in exchange for the masses of money poured into the country already) voluntarily making sure that the legal system runs without a fairly broad legislational corridor.

But JK (aka "The imp") has never been a good faith bargainer, he has a history of trying to back out of deals the second they're made.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
30 Jul 2017 #3,761
PiS's ungodly abortion

I reckon all you reactionaries like the loser's club itching to get back to the trough and ex-commie Rzepliński who said he wants things to be to be "the way they were"

live in the past. Duda has yet to unveil his proposed drafts so all the back-looking PiS-bashing only shows how influenced you have been by the obsessive HB (Kaczyński wanted to procecute dissidents, etc., etc. ad nauseam). You know what I mean, latch onto some trifle and ride it to death.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
30 Jul 2017 #3,762
broad range of reform

Funny everybody violates the constitution but only focuses on the violations of others, esp. polticaa adversaries -- typical pot.kettle black! Art. 178 expressly forbids judges joining political parties or engaging in public affairs undermining their independence and impartiality. Rzepliński, Gersdorf and others taking an active part in anti-government rallies is precisely such a violation of Article 178. Judicial indepence requires judges to be non-partisan, not engagé and not to side with any parties to a dispute.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
30 Jul 2017 #3,763
PiS junta's attempted coup.

What are you on? Yeah sure, JK would stage a coup to overthrow his own government!?! It was the unruly, hysterical rant & chant brigade that threatened to "remove PiS from power". And it was your beloved Schetyna who actually admitted the December standoff fiasco was a failed pustch attempt. He added. "Now we must prepare better." Anyone who has heroes like Schetyna, Kijowski and HB needs no enemies!
jon357 66 | 17,068
30 Jul 2017 #3,764
Yeah sure, JK would stage a coup to overthrow his own government!?!

Do follow the real situation, Po, rather than your own propaganda.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
31 Jul 2017 #3,765
real situation

The real situation is that the losers' rant & chant brigade have again made fools of themselves. But that's par for the course, innit? Also raked up a hefty policing bill at the taxpayer's expense. Since inb life there is no free lunch (and the only free cheese is in a mouse-trap!), organisers of demos and marches should foot the bill for the extra policing that necessitets. That would apply to anti-govt protests, pervert parades as well as the miesięcznica and other events that disrupt normal life, reroute buses, require protective barriers, etc.
jon357 66 | 17,068
31 Jul 2017 #3,766
rant & chant brigade

That fits the Smolenskists very well indeed.

disrupt normal life, reroute buses, require protective barriers, etc.

So you'd ban public protest against the PiS junta...
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
31 Jul 2017 #3,767
ban public protest

That's so typical of the PO creeps -- take everything out context and twist everyone's words. Kindly re-read what I wrote about the free cheese. Everything costs. Why penalise the taxpayer for the whims of a tiny minority, be they the pervert paraders, the smolenskists or the "total opposition" rabble-rousers. You march -- you pay!

You wouldn't have the guts to suggest that to your beloved "Proud to be a Pervert" contingent!.
jon357 66 | 17,068
31 Jul 2017 #3,768
Why penalise the taxpayer for the whims of a tiny minority

Why shouldn't the taxpayer cover the costs associated with public events?

Admit it, Po, you'd love to ban the Polish pro-democracy rallies.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
31 Jul 2017 #3,769
Why shouldn't the taxpayer

Major nation holidays and state occasions yes, but not minority-interest side shows. Those who identify with them should pay for the extra security required be it the homo parades or Smolensk memorials.
jon357 66 | 17,068
31 Jul 2017 #3,770
What extra policing would be needed for a candlelit vigil by the Polish pro-democracy movement? Unless they were at risk of being attacked by Macierewicz's brownshirts, in which case they are entitled to be protected as anyone is, citizen or not, political or not.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
31 Jul 2017 #3,771
policing would be needed for a candlelit vigil

Whenever a large crowd gathers, anything can happen. The ONR and All-Poland Youth could have turned up to disrupt the vigil. At the end of hte vigil someone could have urged: "And now let's go and support our protesting brothners and sisters outside the Sejm", and some would have surely followed. Or some freak occurrence, someone throwing a concussion grenade into the crowd and people trampling one another in panic.

One thing is certain: I'm sure glad lower-case is not in charge of Warsaw's public security! "It's just a peaceful vigil or football match or Smolensk observance, no need to lay on extra police" is what he'd probably say.
jon357 66 | 17,068
31 Jul 2017 #3,772
The ONR and All-Poland Youth

It's everyone's right to be protected from such thugs. The existence of such destructive elements should not be allowed to compromise people's right to peacefully assemble.

Perhaps any bill should be sent to them.
Ironside 50 | 10,939
31 Jul 2017 #3,773
It's everyone's right to be protected from such thugs.

There plenty of thugs in KOD and other demonstrations. It not a first time they broke a law or tried to cause a trouble or attack someone. Pity that only those who reacted are being persecuted.

PiS is not very efficient - there should be fire them all - change in the governmental institutions.
jon357 66 | 17,068
31 Jul 2017 #3,774
thugs

The contrast between the peaceful and dignified nature of the candlelit vigils attended by the Polish pro-democratic movement and the fascist salutes, petards and burning out TV OB vans by the ONR etc contradict your assertion,
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
31 Jul 2017 #3,775
Perhaps any bill should be sent to them

Rallies callies for the overthrow of hte goverrment, 16 points on how to do it circulaitng apace, Schetnya openly talking about putsches and how "this time we must be better prepared" (for a putsch), the ranting anti-govenrment hate speech

elevated to a fevered pitch created a veritable powderkeg -- only a tiny sparlk is needed in such cases to set everything ablaze. It was Błaszczak's preparedness and Duda's veto that defused a potentially dangerous situation.
jon357 66 | 17,068
31 Jul 2017 #3,776
Rallies callies

Attended by a VIP?

elevated to a fevered pitch created a veritable powderkeg

A peaceful and dignified candlelit vigil?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
31 Jul 2017 #3,777
dignified candlelit vigil?

The exception that proves the rule. The majority of the protests highlighted by TVN, Polsat and TVP showed a hate-spewing crowd whipped up to a hysterical frenzy when most anything could occur. Heavy (and costly!) police presence and (costly) metal barriers prevented things turning violent, but that's no credit to the Kijowskis, Schetynas and Patrus who were trying to rev things up as much as possible.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
31 Jul 2017 #3,778
It's everyone's right t

Such extremist groups as ONR and LGBT pervert parade folks have a right to exist and they do. I may diagree with both of them, but as long as they're legally registered organisations and do not break the law they have a right to stage rallies marches, parades or what have you. The Soros-backed Open Dialogue Founation is another story and is currently being investigated over suspected outside funding by i.a. Russian oligarchs.

soegorups
jon357 66 | 17,068
31 Jul 2017 #3,780
Isn't that an Indonesian pork dish?

is currently being investigated over suspected outside funding by i.a. Russian oligarchs.

'Being investigated' by whom? Which 'Russian oligarchs'?

Are they also VIPs?

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