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Poland's post-election political scene


gumishu 11 | 5,605
21 Jul 2017 #3,661
So you should be happy with the existing system that the PiS junta desperately want to replace.

oh either you play dumb or haven't read what I had written here - the current system makes the judiciary an authority unto itself with hardly any democratic control - do you call this direct democracy - maybe we use different definitions of what direct democracy is
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
21 Jul 2017 #3,662
Thousands of ordinary people come out on the streets

AND MILLIONS DO NOT! We all understand you proclivity for exotic minorities: homos, towelheads, people who chain themselves to trees or believe Brussels rules and may not be questioned, cross-dressers, trannies and the tiny minority that is raising all the rumpus on the streets at the taxpayer's expense to indulge their zest for poltical excitement, and that's your right. But millions in Poland, the overwhelming majority do not. Should they be prevented from having and expressing their own views?
cms 9 | 1,271
21 Jul 2017 #3,663
@gumishu
Might be an interesting electoral strategy given that it's about a third of the Polish workforce who work for some branch of the state.

Why shouldn't judges, many of whom could have earned far more in private practice, not be covered by labour law ?
gumishu 11 | 5,605
21 Jul 2017 #3,664
Remember that many of the thousands coming out every evening to protest the PiS junta's attack on democracy were people who initially voted for them.

and there are millions of those who support PiS - maybe you don't know such people (if you don't maybe you should move a little bit out of your bubble) but as I said look at the polls of political support and how much PiS scores in them

and you know what - if the 'total opposition' attempted a coup there would be a civil war because just as I said there are millions of those who are staunch supporters of PiS and they would not take it lightly if someone wanted to take their vision of Poland away from them
jon357 66 | 17,078
21 Jul 2017 #3,665
oh either you play dumb

This is what you've been doing all day. It seems to come naturally to you.

maybe we use different definitions of what direct democracy is

Evidently you use a different definition of democracy to that of the rest of the free world. If you want a return to a PRL-bis, feel free to advocate for that. Most people very clearly don't.

an interesting electoral strategy given that it's about a third of the Polish workforce who work for some branch of the state.

Remember, they despise employee rights, like anything else that doesn't work in their direct favour, and are actively and openly trying to create a one-party state. Hence the nightly Polish pro-democracy rallies.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
21 Jul 2017 #3,666
That's exactly where she is

And every bit as disgusting and revolting as the screechy, screaming b*thces of the "total opposition". At least I am not as blindly partisan as you. Has anyone ever heard you criticise anythign about the the loons of KOD, PO or Petru?
gumishu 11 | 5,605
21 Jul 2017 #3,667
Why shouldn't judges, many of whom could have earned far more in private practice, not be covered by labour law ?

because the people should be able to hire and fire everybody at their will not that someone should be protected from the outrage of the people and not accountable to anybody

btw coal miners are not civil servants

Evidently you use a different definition of democracy to that of the rest of the free world

I'm not really sure you know what direct democracy is at all - and the source of the word is demo cracy - the rule of the people - not the rule of the judicial elites however noble they might want to pose
jon357 66 | 17,078
21 Jul 2017 #3,668
because the people should be able to hire and fire everybody at their will

Employment rights exist precisely so that doesn't happen.

the outrage of the people

That sounds pure Bolshevik. A touch of Mao's Cultural Revolution too.

So transparent....
gumishu 11 | 5,605
21 Jul 2017 #3,669
That sounds pure Bolshevik. A touch of Mao's Cultural Revolution too.

did Lenin, Stalin or Mao introduce direct democracy? no, they were elitists just from a different set than those who preceeded them
jon357 66 | 17,078
21 Jul 2017 #3,670
did Lenin, Stalin or Mao introduce direct democracy

No, you really don't get it do you. So desperate to argue that black is white and white is black, and meanwhile thousands of people attend candlelit vigils in front of the presidential palace and the international community discuss sanctions.
gumishu 11 | 5,605
21 Jul 2017 #3,671
and meanwhile thousands of people attend candlelit vigils in front of the presidential palace and the international community discuss sanctions.

thousands mean little in the day of electoral vote - there are millions home who are happy with what the goverment is doing and will only bother to go to the streets if this goverment is taken from them

in my personal opinion you are completely brainwashed or are an elitist scum - don't know which is worse
jon357 66 | 17,078
21 Jul 2017 #3,672
thousands mean little in the da

It means a hell of a lot, when thousands of ordinary people, most of whom being old enough to remember the last time Poland had totalitarian rule, are out night after night with candles in front of the presidential palace.

And of course the 87% who have said that Poland's democracy is currently seriously threatened.

PiS have got it wrong, and not for the first time.

if this goverment is taken from them

So you suggest there will be violence if the Party are voted out. Interesting...
gumishu 11 | 5,605
21 Jul 2017 #3,673
So you suggest there will be violence if the Party are voted out. Interesting...

there will be violence if there is a coup on the part of the 'total oposition' which I wouldn't condone but would fully understand

you know Jon - I'm going to repeat myself 'cause I have already written it today - you can fool everybody for a time - you can fool some people all of the time - but you cannot fool everybody all the time - enough people have awakened to the reality that PO and company do not represent people's interests but their own selfish interests
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
21 Jul 2017 #3,674
night after night with candles

The candle makers must really be cashing in!
jon357 66 | 17,078
21 Jul 2017 #3,675
there will be violence if there is a coup o

The only coup is, as commentators and political figure including former regime supporters have said, is the one Kaczynski is trying to do, right now.

I'm going to repeat myself 'c

Yes, since you don't really have any coherent political arguments, except a blind devotion to an authoritarian party whose ruler openly praises 1930s fascists, screams "you murdered my brother" in the parliament chamber in the middle of the night, and which is trying to take over absolute patronage of the judiciary for their own, clearly stated political ends. Like "going after journalists"...

candle makers must really be cashing in

Yes, Po, thousands sold nightly. You'd better stock up for when your back tax bill comes and you can't afford the leccy.
gumishu 11 | 5,605
21 Jul 2017 #3,676
Yes, since you don't really have any coherent political arguments, except a blind devotion to an authoritarian party whose ruler praises 1930s fascist..

I don't have coherent arguments? hmm then you are a complete hysteric - agreed? after all you see authoritarians everywhere

and no my 'devotion' to PiS is not blind, and they don't have my unconditional support and I don't agree with some of their policies - the thing is in my opinion they are the best thing we have at this very moment
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
21 Jul 2017 #3,677
thousands of people attend candlelit vigils

The snitchers have really done ther homework against their own country if sanctions are now being threatened. How many more candlelight vigils do you foresee? Two, three, maybe another week, one or two down the road? But it won't make one bit of difference. The flea-bitten curs may bark, howl, yap and snap, but the good-change government will continue implemetning one campaign pledge after another. Meanwhile, the self-declared "total opposition" can lick their wounds, plot the next round of disruption and stew in their impotent fury and frustration following their second failed putsch attempt in 7 months' time.
jon357 66 | 17,078
21 Jul 2017 #3,678
if sanctions are now being threatened

Discussed early next week and the matter is likely to go to the UN.

I don't have coherent arguments?

No, you don't.

after all you see authoritarians everywhere

Is that really the best you can do, Gumishu...
gumishu 11 | 5,605
21 Jul 2017 #3,679
How many more candlelight vigils do you foresee?

if I am concerned they can go about those vigils forever - I'm not really impressed

Is that really the best you can do, Gumishu...

oh I leave you with your bias - the whole conversation with you is pointless - you don't see the problem with the current judiciary system and you probably haven't seen any problem with the PO (mis)rule - farewell
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
21 Jul 2017 #3,680
Discussed early next week

And 26 EU states must approve whatever sanctions the Brusselcrats decide to impose, And that will never happen. Tough luck, Timmermans!
jon357 66 | 17,078
21 Jul 2017 #3,681
And 26 EU states must approve

Actually, no. It's a simple majority for next week's decision.

you don't see the problem

Don't handle disagreement well, do you...
gumishu 11 | 5,605
21 Jul 2017 #3,682
Don't handle disagreement well, do you...

you would be funny, if you weren't boring
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
21 Jul 2017 #3,683
It's a simple majority f

So they've changed the rules to bash Poland? I wouldn't put it past that German-ruled corporate mafia.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
21 Jul 2017 #3,684
PO and company do not represent people's interests but their own selfish interests

Spot on! That's the reason PO got the red card in mid-October 2015, and nearly two years on PiS still command stable support in the 37% - 41% range.

jon and the candle-lit ranters he so admires have simpyl missed the boat. When a coupla thousandtrn out in their chanty-ranty huddle they think all Poland is behind them. The vast majority are not. And if somehow a snap election were held, they would end up the way PiS did in 2007.
jon357 66 | 17,078
21 Jul 2017 #3,685
So they've changed

No sudden politically motivated midnight rule change, no vindictiveness, no dark machinations. They aren't PiS...

you would be funny, if you weren't boring

A phrase of someone who picked an argument and lost abjectly, totally and completely, if ever there was one.
gumishu 11 | 5,605
21 Jul 2017 #3,686
A phrase of someone who picked an argument and lost abjectly, totally and completely, if ever there was one.

If you feel a winner so be it - I don't feel beaten at all - so we both can be happy - awesome hahah
jon357 66 | 17,078
21 Jul 2017 #3,687
You certainly should feel beaten, as usual. And at the same time take note of the waves of protest at the current attack on democracy. When reverting from a tried and tested method of public administration and judicial independence that people struggled for, people will react, as we've seen with the Polish pro-democracy rallies and the international response that's only just started..
Ironside 50 | 10,940
22 Jul 2017 #3,688
Actually, no. It's a simple majority for next week's decision.

bhaahah, let them decide what they want, the EU as is it today is dead. Poland should just tell them to get lost.

And at the same time take note of the waves of protest at the current attack on democracy

Don't get your hopes high. Post-commie scum has been trying to destabilise Poland for two years, Poles are too smart to fall for it. The only reason there is more people is due to the way they bill had been passed not because of its content. Poles generally don't trust authorities.
Lyzko 29 | 7,282
22 Jul 2017 #3,689
Seems to an outsider that Poland is about to implode, at least so long as PiS appears so hated. Not that KOD's much better, yet apparently a majority of the entire country came out several days ago in favor of less gov't interference in the court system:-)
Ironside 50 | 10,940
22 Jul 2017 #3,690
at least so long as PiS appears so hated.

PiS is not hated. There is a lot of BS and Soros and German money while pack of scum try to put Poland back into embrace of Merkel and Putin. They're traitors. Disgusting people. The best that soviets has to over.

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