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Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU


dnageneticsphd
5 Jan 2020 #241
It is rather curious as a social phenomena. I personally consider myself politically centrist and I would like to see Poland remain within a reformed European Union.
Crow 138 | 8,351
10 Jan 2020 #242
That would mean Belgrade instead of Brussels. I think it won`t happen and EU will have to fail. What remain of EU, when wise move out, will rotate around France and would frankinize, ie freakanize.
OP kondzior 10 | 1,005
17 Jan 2020 #243
"Kurwa, spierdalamy"-exit
Miloslaw 7 | 3,069
17 Jan 2020 #244
On the same subject;

express.co.uk/news/uk/1229645/Poland-MEPs-Brussels-Polexit-Brexit-European-Parliament-EU-latest-news
cms neuf - | 1,475
17 Jan 2020 #245
He is not an MEP - just a regular Posel. Not sure there is panic about Polexit - people who live here know the benefits of the EU which has near 80 percent support
Miloslaw 7 | 3,069
17 Jan 2020 #246
Not any more.
This poll was from last month and 47% thought Poland would be better off out and 45% in.

euractiv.com/section/all/short_news/warsaw-polexit/
cms neuf - | 1,475
17 Jan 2020 #247
No - your interpretation is incorrect - they said it could do better outside the EU. Asked a straightforward in/out it was 78 percent.

Now we can sit back and watch Britain make a pigs ear of Brexit, support for the EU is likely to rise
Miloslaw 7 | 3,069
17 Jan 2020 #248
your interpretation is incorrect - they said it could do better outside the EU.

That is the same thing.............and Britain won't make a pigs ear of it because whatever arrangement we do or don't make with the EU will make very little difference either way.

The important thing is not the deal or no deal we get from the EU but what Britain does in the years to come.
The most important thing is that it will be down to Britain to succeed or fail.
Spike31 2 | 1,502
17 Jan 2020 #249
Now we can sit back and watch Britain make a pigs ear of Brexit, support for the EU is likely to rise

Unless Britain make a smart manouver and become a highly competitive market with low taxes. Britain receives in FDI more than Germany and France combined. With lower taxes and no EU regulations thay could easily grow those numbers at the expense of a Western Europe.

Think about it as a tax haven in the heart of Europe with a developed market and military power to protect themselves from bullying.
Miloslaw 7 | 3,069
17 Jan 2020 #250
With lower taxes and no EU regulations thay could easily grow those numbers at the expense of a Western Europe.

And that is what the EU are afraid of because they know this too.
That is why they have been trying so hard to tie Britain in closer to them.
cms neuf - | 1,475
17 Jan 2020 #251
Difficult to have low taxes when they just promised everyone the moon on a stick to vote for them.

No chance of getting more taxes from corporations either - they will be leaving in droves or going bankrupt - in fact that has already started as I see FlyBe going down the tubes with the low sterling pushing up fuel and plane costs.
Miloslaw 7 | 3,069
17 Jan 2020 #252
they will be leaving in droves or going bankrupt

Pro EU supporters told us this would start happening soon after we voted to leave.
Over 3 years later it still hasn't happened.
Flybe's problems have nothing to do with Brexit and Sterling is doing fine thanks.

poundsterlinglive.com/gbp-live-today/12649-pound-to-euro-and-dollar-firms-as-markets-yet-to-buy-into-rate-cut
TheOther 6 | 3,821
17 Jan 2020 #253
Over 3 years later it still hasn't happened.

You are still in the EU...
cms neuf - | 1,475
17 Jan 2020 #254
It's doing fine in the last week - the last 4 years is another story, a 20-25 percent decrease against all major currencies. Enough to kill off this airline with its tight profit magrins - though I understand BritIsh taxpayers are bailing it out, this will be the first in a long line of bailouts.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,524
17 Jan 2020 #255
The most important thing is that it will be down to Britain to succeed or fail.

That had been always the case...it will be just a tad harder now....
Crow 138 | 8,351
17 Jan 2020 #256
"Kurwa, spierdalamy"-exit

Kurva wasn`t even able to handle Serbia. Poor kurva
Miloslaw 7 | 3,069
17 Jan 2020 #257
@TheOther
Yeah, but remainers said it would happen before we left.It didn't...

, this will be the first in a long line of bailouts

You are just one in a long line of remainers that continue to believe the worst will happen..... so far you have been wrong every time.....

See you in 5 years when the UK is hunky dory and Europe is struggling.....

..it will be just a tad harder now....

Nah, it will be easier without EU constraints.

You lot are just $hitting yourselves.... because you know that The UK will be fine......
Tacitus 2 | 1,117
18 Jan 2020 #258
The impact of Brexit will be felt over time, not instantly. The UK is getting less attractive as an investment target, and international companies will start redirecting their investments to other EU countries, reducing their presence in the UK.

Tesla builds its' giant battery near Berlin, not in the UK. And this is just the tip of the ice berg.

google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/bdc9f940-bb92-11e9-b350-db00d509634e

Less investments =fewer jobs tax income in the future. No doubt Brexiteers will celebrate it in 5 years that their country is still alive, ignoring how much better they could have been off if they had stayed in the EU. But then again, they have no idea of economics or how the world actually is, otherwise they would not have voted for it.
Braveheart16 18 | 185
18 Jan 2020 #259
Brexit as we all know has been a long drawn out political episode in British life and I believe that most people in the UK are relieved that it has finally moving forward.....at the beginning remainers put forward their views on staying in Europe and likewise with leavers.....From my point of view I was disappointed that the referendum in 2016 wasn't honoured (as all referendums are)....and there followed three years of political nonsense where leavers went to extraordinary lengths to justify their position, rubbishing leavers, digging up anything to discredit leavers....UK will run out of medical supplies...the economy will take a nose dive...etc...etc....as it turned out nothing changed and like any economy there are experts whose job it is to keep it on track and adjust policy to suit changing conditions......

In short people voted to leave.....they were fed up with the EU and were prepared to vote to give the UK an opportunity to do things for themselves and put trust in the economists (and of course politicians) as they have been doing for many, many years. As for leavers the three years allowed people to understand why they were so against leaving, and it became clear that for many (certainly for the so called 'elite') money was the main factor....because for many they relied on the EU for funding their businesses....or relied on the EU as a means of income....etc etc.... The leader of the Liberal party who since the election is no longer is the leader is married and her husband has a business which receives EU funding (which like many similar stories had to be forced out into the open to see the real truth) and so the Liberal mantra was to cancel Brexit altogether......it just didn't work. The elite (and other high profile people) cynically suggested that leavers were stupid...didn't know what they were doing...and used every excuse (apart from funding) to put forward their case to remain in the EU. Change is dificult for people to adjust to but maybe after a decade there will be another referendum to re-join the EU....which for me is fine....politics is like this and people are used to voting on many different issues......
Crow 138 | 8,351
18 Jan 2020 #260
Let us speak bluntly. USA, Russia, China and probably also Vatican reached already mutual agreement and divided world among themselves. Other countries will get what are destined to get. All other stories are charade.

Let us pray. Yes, its time.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,524
18 Jan 2020 #261
Think about it as a tax haven

Tax havens have a very bad image, they are parasites living off other peoples work...often unlawfully.

I don't know if that's the image Brexiteers had in mind for their proud country!
Spike31 2 | 1,502
18 Jan 2020 #262
parasites living off other peoples work

Nope, a modern socialist governments who impose high tax rates on their citizens in order to fund a socialist utopia are true parasites.

I don't know if that's the image Brexiteers had in mind for their proud country!

A tax shaming :-D
mafketis 23 | 8,096
18 Jan 2020 #263
Tax havens have a very bad image, they are parasite

What do you know about the City of London?

The economy of the United Kingdom has almost always been based on trickery (like real estate speculation) and financial skullduggery...

youtube.com/watch?v=-YgFDZNXPyg

I'm surprised that shady entity was ever allowed into the EU...
cms neuf - | 1,475
18 Jan 2020 #264
Without doubt maybe a third of the city activities is idle speculation. But the other 2/3 is both useful and necessary and has financed great inventions from steam engines to railways to modern day computing and Pharma. I realize that those things could be funded by the government, as they were in communist Poland, and we all know what Polish technology was like in the 70s and 80s.

I don't know where this idea of becoming a second Singapore comes from and why it is attractive - there are already plenty such options in Europe, all small countries like luxembourg, Cyprus, Switzerland, Monaco etc. you can't run a low tax economy when you have got 60 million mouths to feed.

Britain has some fantastic industries where it is still a world leader- aerospace, pharma, finance, whisky, computing. Those are all industries that are going to be royally shafted by Brexit.

And yes it will take many years for the negative effects to be shown - I know that kind of reasoning doesn't appeal to Brexit voters who like Daily Express headlines and at the moment are getting wound up about a 19th-century alarm clock ringing
Ironside 49 | 10,171
18 Jan 2020 #265
The impact of Brexit will be felt over time, not instantly.

Whatever will be time will tell. Such doomsday prophecies are just a dime a dozen.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,524
18 Jan 2020 #266
It's only the other side of:

"The EU will be destroyed/fall down/break apart!" etc.

Maybe we can agree that both will keep on existing? ;)
TheOther 6 | 3,821
18 Jan 2020 #267
but remainers said it would happen before we left.It didn't

Johnson promised you £350m a week for the NHS. Did that materialize? It didn't and it won't.
Ironside 49 | 10,171
18 Jan 2020 #268
It's only the other side of:

I don't care about EU as long as Poland is not a part if it. I only wonder how long EU will survive without few eastern Europe and few other countries. Wish you the best of luck.

Johnson promised you £350m a week for the NHS

Oh that nothing. Lefties promise a land of tolerance, love and equality and they deliver. They equally hate and are prejudiced against anyone different than them.
Lenka 3 | 1,823
18 Jan 2020 #269
I don't care about EU as long as Poland is not a part if it.

Considering that we would have to work closely with then it's not wisest approach
Crow 138 | 8,351
18 Jan 2020 #270
I only wonder how long EU will survive without few eastern Europe and few other countries.

Not long. Every colonial power suffocate when lose colonies.

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