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Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU


Lenka 3 | 1,696
3 Jan 2020 #151
My primary school didn't have a single computer, my secondary school had a computer room- founded by EU. 2 kids in the classroom of over 30 had computer at home.

And that IT classroom was founded before joining. The 2 best highschools in my town got renowated by EU founds , all schools got updated playgrounds, football fields etc.

Thinking EU is getting too much is one thing but saying Poland didn't gain by joining is simply stupid.

And it's not only about how much money they gave but how- people, councils could just apply with a project and that's it. People loved the endless possibilities
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,514
3 Jan 2020 #152
all schools got updated playgrounds, football fields etc.

Like I said, EU is good for painting recreational equipment and fixing sidewalks...

Thinking EU is getting too much is one thing but saying Poland didn't gain by joining is simply stupid.

Did I ever said that Poland didn't gain? I said that the effect is minimal in the grand scheme of things as the funds are but a fraction of GDP. The only people who really benefited are those who ran businesses that were awarded EU contracts. I don't blame them about a third of our income comes from government jobs and fixing up black peoples' shanties with taxpayer money.
cms neuf - | 1,134
3 Jan 2020 #153
Somewhere in your Ivy League education did they tell you that the benefits of trade are a multiplication, not a simple addition of inflows and outflows of EU funds. That is stuff you would learn in freshman year.

Even more barmy is the idea that everyone had a home computer in the 1990s - I went to entire factories that did not have a computer,as late as 1999
Rich Mazur 4 | 4,339
3 Jan 2020 #154
he benefits of trade are a multiplication, not a simple addition of inflows and outflows

In Novosibirsk, they told us that if a person, family, a company, or a country receives less than it spends or gives away, sooner or later, they will be broke. Those dumb Russians. You can multiply a negative number all you want and it is still negative. Funny how that works.
cms neuf - | 1,134
3 Jan 2020 #155
Yes - might be the case in Russia where the boss man controls the entire economy.

In Nowy Sacz there is private enterprise and those hard working, free, educated people suddenly have a 400m person market one for them.

So the Russian way of managing the economy is dumb indeed - unless you are one of the lucky few in a gold plated helicopter.
Rich Mazur 4 | 4,339
3 Jan 2020 #156
All that Russian cuttness aside, do you know what deficits are and that permanent deficits, being unsustainable, lead to a financial ruin? How far back to the first grade do you want to go?

Did you know that 10 minus 12 is -2, aka as a deficit somebody else has to cover? Or are you stuck on some new economic paradigm where deficits are just fine? Help me understand that miracle.
cms neuf - | 1,134
3 Jan 2020 #157
You are confusing govt spending with the total economy - an easy mistake to make if you grew up in a place where hairdressers and sprat factories were state owned.

And yes govt can run deficits for many years if there is a strong private sector that can provide tax revenues and real growth. The US has run a deficit since the 1830s - that's about 4 whole lifetimes or 8 vodka soaked chain smoking Russian lifetimes
Rich Mazur 4 | 4,339
3 Jan 2020 #158
You are confusing govt spending with the total economy

I am confusing nothing. Find me one document that says that any permanent deficit is sustainable. Just one.
The US deficits will be just as devastating to those who will be responsible for it - our kids and grandkids - as any other deficit. The ONLY difference between the US corrupt ruling gangsters and me or you is that they can inflate their debt away by issuing or printing more money. Period. End of the story.

And that is true regardless of what kind of system of governing we are discussing.
At 23 trillion and growing, the "Fed" creates cheap money out of thin air to keep the Ponzi scam from collapsing. If they let the interest rates assume their natural level, the US would have to cease its operations and use all of the tax revenues just to pay the interest on those 23 trillion dollar debt. And that is where the riots break out...

Good Lord, please take over from this point and teach the morons how to add and subtract.
Spike31 2 | 973
3 Jan 2020 #159
My local (public) high school had a 10 then state-of-the-art Pentium MMX 166 PC's in 1997 (7 years before joining the EU). I clearly remember that because we played Diablo and Quake on LAN after school ;-)

In general, the ambition of most of my friends was to have a PC. Some families could afford a new gen PCs and some others an older refurbished one.

Saying that the EU has intruduced a bloody PCs to Poland and Polish children is plain silly.

Thinking EU is getting too much is one thing but saying Poland didn't gain by joining is simply stupid.

We've gained an access to a single market which is a positive thing. And that's what we should focus on because it benefits us the most. We have to protect ourselves from a destructive and demoralizing ideological side of the EU and only reap the benefits of free trade. As long as we don't reach a majority vote for Polexit that is.

Poland has a competitive edge over established and more stagnated Western European economies and that's what we should use as our main asset. By no means we should imitate them because they've became a slowly declining civilizations. If we really have to immitate something then we could immitate a German economy from 50's and 60's...
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 10,139
3 Jan 2020 #160
We have to protect ourselves from a destructive and demoralizing ideological side of the EU....

You know that the EU consists of 27 totally different members (after Brexit), don't you?

Is it Poland against all other 26 member states? Are they all following a destructive and demoralizing ideological side?

Don't you think that protection would work better from INSIDE the EU? Changing things for the better through smart networking and policing?

What exactly do you mean when you shout such easy slogans?

I mean do you really think the advantages of the Single Market will come by so easily for Poland? Without compromising and paying for that privilege?
Rich Mazur 4 | 4,339
3 Jan 2020 #161
By no means we should imitate them because they've became a slowly declining civilizations

Amen to that. That's what happens when the "civil rights" of individuals are not just ahead of the tribe survival but as the only objective. Let the whole village go to hell, but passing judgment on one promiscuous idiot who by the age of 20 has three kids, no husband, three different "fathers", and no income, is a big no-no. It might upset and offend her.

Market benefits are like an on/off switch. One day you have them, next day they are gone. A million Muslim scum is forever and on the way to become 2.
cms neuf - | 1,134
3 Jan 2020 #162
Never mind one document - I could provide you with one thousand, but here is a starter and it's about Poland, like the rest of this thread.

oecd.org/gov/budgeting/budgeting-and-public-expenditures-2019-poland.pdf

You can get that every month - as well as similar documents from the IMF, World Bank, plenty of Polish sources including NBP and KNF, all Polish commercial banks etc etc

I am the owner of plenty of Polish govt bonds myself - very confident that EU membership will continue to provide good growth at low risk. That's a better investment than an imaginary flooded Rolex
Rich Mazur 4 | 4,339
3 Jan 2020 #163
Never mind one document - I could provide you with one thousand,

Never mind the thousand. Give me just one that says that permanent deficits are sustainable without stealing money from anybody.
cms neuf - | 1,134
3 Jan 2020 #164
? I just gave you one. They are not stealing our money - they borrow it and pay interest.

Like when you borrow Boris Ivanovichs rusty tractor for an afternoon and give him a packet of cheap coffee in return.
Rich Mazur 4 | 4,339
3 Jan 2020 #165
You are lying. I read it and it does not say that permanent deficits are sustainable.
BTW, do you actually know what "sustainable" means?
cms neuf - | 1,134
3 Jan 2020 #166
So try one of the other sources.

Friday night now so off for some drinking and some dancing. How about you ? Another evening of ranting about Mexicans in your dark room ?
Rich Mazur 4 | 4,339
3 Jan 2020 #167
I am done teaching you what my 8-year-old gd and her cat already know.
Spike31 2 | 973
3 Jan 2020 #168
ou know that the EU consists of 27 totally different members (after Brexit), don't you?

I was referring to a beaurocratic body which steers the whole organization from Brussels.

Apart of that, out of 27 members there are those who have more to say than the others and they are steering the EU in their preferred direction. And now, in the wake of Brexit a combined political power of France+Germany and their smaller 'progressive' vassals will be even greater than before.

Single Market will come by so easily for Poland? Without compromising and paying for that privilege?

So you're saying: Poland, pay with your culture and your traditions (introduce so called homosexual "marriages" and sex 'education' for children, allow unlimited abortion laws etc.) and social and ethnic coherence (take "refugees" from Africa and middle east) for the access to a single market? Isn't it enough if we are paying with our goods and our labour and granted access to our market like in every normal and healthy economic exchange in the world?
Rich Mazur 4 | 4,339
3 Jan 2020 #169
Isn't it enough

No, it is not. The globalist cabal will not stop until they swallow the whole Europe. Even the USSR was less ambitious.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 10,139
3 Jan 2020 #170
Apart of that, out of 27 members there are those who have more to say than the others

And you know why they have more "say"? Better networking....being longer member still helps too....they are net payer....taking over responsibilities...that all Poland could do too...SHOULD too, instead of pouting in a corner and throwing tantrums....THAT won't gain you any support aka influence at all.

A union is for teamplayers!

"Vassals"....interesting choice of words for members who have all the same rights and duties...

What do you think will happen to Poland outside the EU? With a Poland which nobody gives a sh'it about...sure, you would have alot less duties, but alot less rights too and no vote at all.

You think of the union members as vassals? That's the future for Poland alone...you WILL become another ones vassal...again...all you will be able to do is saying THANK YOU to the few crumbs falling from the table of the big guys.

I have news for you, if you don't "make it" inside the EU, where you sit as equal on the table, you won't make it at all outside!

Poland, pay with your culture and your traditions

Did you? If so that has totally gone lost on me...and I apologize!
OP kondzior 10 | 961
4 Jan 2020 #171
A union is for teamplayers!

Whereas Germany and France are playing softball with Russia and their politicians profit from back dealings with Russia, at the expense of endangering Eastern EU members' interests.

It was a great opportunity-at the time. Times change, and the EU is now administered by self-loathing persons who push self-destructive policies onto their member states.

There is hope, however; Britain's best and brightest future now lies with nationalism and conservatism, with the restoration of a sense of purpose, national pride, and national identity, and all of this is best accomplished outside of the self-loathing, globalist EU.
Dougpol1 33 | 3,409
4 Jan 2020 #172
Britain's best and brightest future now lies with nationalism and conservatism

Well, I presume you are one of the hypocritical immigrants, who hates foreign influx of any kind.
What do you see in the mirror?
Ironside 49 | 10,010
4 Jan 2020 #173
What do you think will happen to Poland outside the EU?

When? Where? How? Generalizations of any kind are pointless. It all depends on the details. Many things are possible.

nside the EU, where you sit as equal on the table

That is not true.
Torq 26 | 2,434
4 Jan 2020 #174
It all depends on the details. Many things are possible.

Correct. It all depends on circumstances. At the moment EU membership is beneficial for Poland, and the threats to our culture or identity are mainly imaginary.

However, if something changes in the internal EU policies one day, and anyone tries to force us to do things against the greater good of BOTH Poland and Europe, as taking in huge numbers of illegal immigrants for example, then we will have to consider leaving the union. Because such possibility, however unlikely it might be, exists, we must take necessary steps to ensure our safety outside of the EU (perhaps outside of NATO as well). The most important step, and I have been repeating this for years on many different fora, is creating Polish Nuclear Forces, capable of a devestating strike against any enemy dreaming of subduing us. But that's a topic for different thread.
Dougpol1 33 | 3,409
4 Jan 2020 #175
creating Polish Nuclear Forces,

Which Gdansk standup comedy club do you work in Torq? You're really good. One of my cousins plays Lego Survival, or some such game. Maybe at the same time we could build a Polish nuclear power plant.

Of Lego.
mafketis 21 | 7,607
4 Jan 2020 #176
A cat among the pigeons... critique of German European policy from the left....

opendemocracy.net/en/can-europe-make-it/germany-s-dystopian-plans-for-europe-from-fantasy-to-reality/
Atch 17 | 2,996
4 Jan 2020 #177
Polish Nuclear Forces, capable of a devestating strike against any enemy .

The lunatics have taken over the asylum.
Torq 26 | 2,434
4 Jan 2020 #178
Maybe at the same time we could build a Polish nuclear power plant. Of Lego.

Very strange comment.

I assure you that it is well within Polish technical capabilities to build both nuclear power plants and nuclear weapons.

The lunatics have taken over the asylum.

If Pakistan is allowed to have their nuclear weapons, then why not Poland?
johnny reb 20 | 4,130
4 Jan 2020 #179
Polish Nuclear Forces, capable of a devestating strike against any enemy dreaming of subduing us.

You will never see nuclear weapons used by any civilized society in the world in your life time so sleep well.
Torq 26 | 2,434
4 Jan 2020 #180
Well, the US used them on civilians, didn't they? Would you call them uncivilised?

We take too many things for granted these days.


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