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Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU


Lenka 3 | 1,966
20 Jan 2020 #361
I am happy with K. Bosak

As I said- not much of a mystery with you. I just know that Korwin- Mikke had to explain why they supported Bosak in pre- election. From what I understand he is too nationalist and not enough of a right winger in economics.

Also, has he ever had any REAL job in his entire life?

Don't think so... While it's not great it seems he was into politics since teenage years so I can't blame him for just sticking with it. Just when you add to it all those unfinished studies it starts to look a bit bad.

I will have to google your candidate as that name is new to me.
Sadly for me it seems my side of the political spectrum is still in shambles.
Torq 32 | 2,999
20 Jan 2020 #362
you mean like someone who is all like :'change jobs, take credit' Komorowski or more like Biedroń

I mentioned the candidate who will get my vote on the previous page.

Just when you add to it all those unfinished studies it starts to look a bit bad.

Including extramural philosophy. :)
gumishu 11 | 5,191
20 Jan 2020 #363
I mentioned the candidate who will get my vote on the previous page.

so: Adenauer, Schuman or Gaspardi ?

anyway Catholic Church is an abomination and I vote for PiS in spite of their involvement with church not because of it
Torq 32 | 2,999
20 Jan 2020 #364
so: Adenauer, Schuman or Gaspardi ?

In my reply to Lenka I mentioned Władysław Kosiniak-Kamysz.

anyway Catholic Church is an abomination

That's what the communists thought (and still think) as well, so you're not alone in your views.

and I vote for PiS

... whose "romance" with the Church in Poland is indeed an abomination, so no surprise there. :)
gumishu 11 | 5,191
20 Jan 2020 #365
Władysław Kosiniak-Kamysz.

a guy without political views - maybe you don't like Kukiz's words about PSL ('criminal group')
Torq 32 | 2,999
20 Jan 2020 #366
a guy without political views

a guy with common sense

maybe you don't like Kukiz's words about PSL ('criminal group')

Oh, yes, let's all listen to moody, aging rock "stars" - they know it all!

Besides, Kukiz doesn't seem to like his own words either, as he formed coalition with this "criminal group" in the last elections. :)
Ironside 49 | 10,311
20 Jan 2020 #367
we will have this natural armour against all sorts of nonsense.

Listen to BB, that is a wishful thinking. Staying in the EU for one reason or other but not some unrealistic notions of some romantic messianism.

Władysław Kosiniak-Kamysz.

lol! sure post commies camp. You're so predicable being center-left. That s-hole is a better version of Kwasniewski.

whose "romance" with the Church in Poland

What a BS! Same bishops or majority of them are always cozying up to a whoever is at the helm in the country. Unless they don't make a habit to go out at them as their political principle. The very similar situation was when PO was in charge.

You like many voters of your kind have a very selective optical spectrum to put it mildly.

Educated?

So, you think one or other diploma equals education? lol! Anyway he is a rare bird in Poland a professional politician with skills and experience. He is not a type to a win presidential election in Poland, Braun would be better but the issue here is to show the public they have a real political option - no need to chose between a cesspool of scum and posers.

By the way you fed up with Duda? lol Think back JKKK - only Kaczynski was a half embarrassment, all the reminding presidents before DUDA were hands down an insult to the Polish nation. Not saying he is a prise, only asking comparing to what? People who were OK with Kwasniewski I Komorowski? Gimmie a break ...
gumishu 11 | 5,191
20 Jan 2020 #368
a guy with common sense

first they say 'there's no money for anything' and now Kosiniak-Kamysz promises that if he becomes president he will make retirement money free from taxes - and people call PiS populists
Torq 32 | 2,999
20 Jan 2020 #369
You're so predicable being center-left.

Centre-right, Christian Democratic.

The very similar situation was when PO was in charge.

Oh, really? I don't recall Tusk and his ministers dancing at Rydzyk's radio's birthday party. :)

So, you think one or other diploma equals education?

Well, I would say that not having any diploma, despite multiple attempts to get one, might suggest that the candidate is somewhat lacking in this regard.

a professional politician

Like the guy who has a degree in politology and whom PiS recently appointed the new Chairman of the Board of Szczecin Shipyard? Yes, indeed, professional politicians - that's what Poland needs the most. :-/

only Kaczynski was a half embarrassment, all the reminding presidents before DUDA were hands down an insult to the Polish nation

Change "before" in this sentence to "including", and I might even agree.

he will make retirement money free from taxes

Why not? Pensioners in Poland paid enough taxes in their life already, and most of them receive peanuts money when they retire. Besides, the money was already taxed once (at least), why should it be taxed again?

Anyways, why does suddenly everyone care for whom I vote? Make your own decisions, people, using your own brain, heart and conscience.
Lenka 3 | 1,966
20 Jan 2020 #370
Sorry, it's my fault. I was just curious but it seems others jumped on the ocassion...
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,590
20 Jan 2020 #371
That forum doesn't seem to represent Poland at all...where a far majority supports Torq....interesting...and hopeful! :)

...Only 6% of respondents say that the Church should support PiS policy....

It's kind of a tricky situation for the polish church....the more they support PiS or Korwin Mikke or any other political party the more Poles turn away from the church and she loses influence..
Torq 32 | 2,999
20 Jan 2020 #372
where a far majority supports Torq

Well, you know I was once offered a job in Sèvres (Bureau International des Poids et Mésures) as an étalon of a Pole. :)
Ironside 49 | 10,311
20 Jan 2020 #374
Centre-right, Christian Democratic.

lol! right as in wishful thinking?

recall Tusk and his ministers dancing at Rydzyk's radio's birthday party. :)

Well your should have said it is about obsession's of some people with Father Rydzyk (mr Catholic) not the church per se. I don't see a problem, looking for votes in a different pool than PO. You mean finishing in Soviet pool for votes suppose to be somehow morally superior? Are you A Soviet Catholic or just confused?

despite multiple attempts to get one,

Is that what it was? You must have a very good info on that guy.

He is good, and his take on politicks is good, he has in some degree what Poland need and more of it.

and I might even agree.

You need to have scale or somebody to compare with otherwise your view is worthless as yet another wishful dream.

nd hopeful! :)

Yeah for Germany.
Torq 32 | 2,999
20 Jan 2020 #375
Are you A Soviet Catholic or just confused?

I intended to write a rather lengthy reply to your post, but after consideration I came to the conclusion that a simple, yet effective, "f*ck off" will have to suffice on this occasion.
Ironside 49 | 10,311
20 Jan 2020 #376
"f*ck off"

Oh you mean you are confused.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,590
20 Jan 2020 #377
Really Iron...a "soviet catholic" ??? What's that???
gumishu 11 | 5,191
20 Jan 2020 #378
Why not? Pensioners in Poland paid enough taxes in their life already,

so you are populist too - good to know
Torq 32 | 2,999
20 Jan 2020 #379
"soviet catholic"

Maybe he meant all those ex-members of PZPR communist party within PiS ranks (Piotrowicz, Łaniewska, Chłopek, Sulmicki, Podlewski, Czabański, Bahr, Kostrzewski, Łopiński, Socha, Graczyk, Aumiller, Karski, Jasiński, Kryże and throngs of others)?

You know what people say about PiS - it's the PZPR's revenge for the fall of communism in Poland.

PZPR - PiS

so you are populist too - good to know

If being against double (or triple!) taxation of the same money means being populist...
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,590
20 Jan 2020 #380
You know what people say about PiS - it's the PZPR's revenge for the fall of communism in Poland.

Ouch!
Przelotnyptak1 1 | 294
20 Jan 2020 #381
I hope Poland gets out before it does.

Impossible to express one's views more clearly and precisely than yourself. Based on truth, a rarity on this forum
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,590
20 Jan 2020 #382
Based on truth, a rarity on this forum

Based on wishful thinking....the staple on this forum!
cms neuf - | 1,589
20 Jan 2020 #383
That might be what the truth looks like to someone from Oshkosh or wherever who has never set foot in Poland. Makes about as much sense as me going on a Packers forum and sounding off about why they lost last night.
Spike31 3 | 1,637
20 Jan 2020 #384
not much of a mystery with you

Lenka, I know that I'm like an open book to you :-)

the more they support PiS or Korwin Mikke or any other political party the more Poles turn away from the church and she loses influence

The Church should preach its traditional teachings. Those political parties which programs are compatible with the teachings will be supported by Catholics by default.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,590
20 Jan 2020 #385
Those political parties which programs are compatible with the teachings

Do you have some examples for me? Which political policy compares to which religious teaching?
cms neuf - | 1,589
20 Jan 2020 #386
It is nonsense - like many Catholics I can make my own mind up about who to vote for and separate that from what I hear once a week in church or was taught when I was a kid.
Lenka 3 | 1,966
20 Jan 2020 #387
Lenka, I know that I'm like an open book to you :-)

Well, you made your political views pretty well known :)
Spike31 3 | 1,637
20 Jan 2020 #388
Do you have some examples for me?

Konfederacja stands on the ground that a marriage should exist only between a man and a woman. Any other 'configuarations' should not be called nor legally registered as a "marriage".

Konfederacja is also against adoption of children by a homosexual couples.

They are also against abortion which, coincidently, was historically first introduced to Poland during WWII occupation by the German authorities. No doubt to our "benefit".

Basically both - Konfederacja and the Catholic Church - are against neo-marxism in its various forms.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,590
20 Jan 2020 #389
Yeah..well...in Germany at the same time the Nazis had been against abortion...the mothers got medals if they shucked out lotsa babies....

But on the other hand that program sounds like the german christian parties from 30 years back...one can agree with or not but that doesn't sound so bad. I wonder why so many Poles don't like their preachers talking about that.

Do you think that Grzegorz Braun is of german heritage?

Does he really wants a monarchy back???
cms neuf - | 1,589
20 Jan 2020 #390
But in the 1000+ chapters of the Bible many subjects are discussed - homosexuality just a handful of times and I can't think of a single mention of abortion.

So what party best represents the other 50 hours worth of teaching - which includes forgiveness, sharing, caring for refugees etc ?

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