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POLES FEEL LIKE JEWS HAVE TOO MUCH CONTROL IN POLAND - TRUE?


joepilsudski 26 | 1,389
17 Mar 2011 #121
Please read 'Predator's Ball' by Connie Bruck...The word 'Jew' is never mentioned, but every principal in the book is Jewish, leading man being Michael Milken.

As to point two, greed and swindling is bad whoever does it: If $100000 is swindled, anyone could have done it...If $100000000 is swindled, it had to be a Jewish swindler.
MediaWatch 10 | 945
17 Mar 2011 #122
After all Germans lived on polish lands before any Poles wandered into it.

That's a bunch of baloney.

Pre-Pole Slavs were in central/Eastern Europe while the pre-German Germanics were still in today's area of Northern France and Northern west Germany.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,878
17 Mar 2011 #123
That's a bunch of baloney.

Well...I'm sure you will find lots of threads where the same info is already given but for you...I will show you again:

Also....all this colored territories had been settled by german tribes till 1 AD
(you recognize the boundaries of modern Poland, don't you?

Germanic tribes (750BC-1AD)

Germania

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany#History

Slavs came some centuries later...just read up on this!
Here is some more info:
spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/0,1518,720513,00.html

A map with partly 2000 years old german towns....where now Poland is.
At the right side you can see the border to the Slavs....

Germania
Ironside 49 | 9,913
17 Mar 2011 #124
Well...I'm sure you will find lots of threads where the same info is already given but for you...I will show you again:

Well those unfunded theories was rebuffed in the past, I see that they are became a topic.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,878
18 Mar 2011 #125
Which theory was rebuffed when and by whom?

Just show me an official map about Slavs in central Europe around the year 0 AD. Maybe we can compare?

Just you saying "no it isn't so", is no real rebuffing ya know!

Slavs were around 500 year late to settle in central Europe, AFTER the Celts and AFTER the Germanics. That is proven mainstream knowledge also with slavic scholars and historians!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_peoples

You not liking international recognized facts on this forum aren't a "rebuffing".
MediaWatch 10 | 945
18 Mar 2011 #126
Which theory was rebuffed when and by whom?

What about the international historians who came up with maps showing that the Germanics were still in the Denmark area when the Slavic people were already in mainland Central/Eastern Europe in 1500BC?

Even your maps show that the Germanics came from Northern Europe/Denmark area.

Map of Slavs in mainland central/eastern Europe while Germanics are still in Denmark area in 1500BC.
indo-european-migrations.scienceontheweb.net/map_of_indo_european_migrations.html

Also your Slavic peoples wikipedia also shows that the early Slavics were already part of mainland Europe while the Germanics were mostly in the top part of Europe.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,878
18 Mar 2011 #127
Don't get eastern Europe or southern Europe mixed up with central Europe. The existence of Slavs in those lands far before they wandered into what is now Germany/Poland wasn't disputed.

Even your maps show that the Germanics came from Northern Europe/Denmark area.

Of course they came from there...that too wasn't disputed. But they wandered...as Germanics did from the beginning.
They wandered from the North into central Europe as it was still settled by Celts...they then settled there too, around 1600 BC...expanded and expanded for centuries (as the map shows) and around 500 AD later the Slavic people wandered into this territorr from the East.

Also your Slavic peoples wikipedia also shows that the early Slavics were already part of mainland Europe while the Germanics were mostly in the top part of Europe.

Umm...really MW...cume ooon...that isn't rocket science!
You disputed the settlements of modern Germany and Poland and "who was first"! Not the history of the rest of Europe! ;)
MediaWatch 10 | 945
18 Mar 2011 #128
BB, what about this map?

indo-european-migrations.scienceontheweb.net/map_of_indo_european_migrations.html

Forget about maps of relatively recent centuries. What about 1500BC? What about before that?

Frankly I found other maps too of Slavs being in the lands of todays Eastern Germany/Poland area while the Germanics were STILL in the Denmark area.

I thought it was a given that people knew that.

Oh well I guess I'll be looking for more of these maps.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,878
18 Mar 2011 #129
Forget about maps of relatively recent centuries. What about 1500BC? What about before that?

Look again at that map MW...

The red shows the settlement and direction of expansion of the germanic tribes about 750 BC...the green color shows the settlements around the year 1. And the inbetweens...

That's mostly modern Germany and Poland.

Frankly I found other maps too of Slavs being in the lands of todays Eastern Germany/Poland area while the Germanics were STILL in the Denmark area.

Are we talking mainstream acknowledged history here? Crowie can also make maps, you know, but that's not the same.
If you really have knowledge most others don't then you should publish it...

I thought it was a given that people knew that.

How? I have never seen such map and even Poland wiki doesn't make such claims....

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistory_and_protohistory_of_Poland

...Celtic, Germanic and Baltic tribes inhabited various parts of Poland.
Eventually, in the Middle Ages, the area came to be dominated by Slavic tribes and finally became home to a number of West Slavic Polish tribes that formed small states in the region, beginning in the 8th century...

You see...first the Celts, then the Germanics, then the Slavs...in that order!
PennBoy 76 | 2,437
18 Mar 2011 #130
They wandered from the North into central Europe as it was still settled by Celts

I wonder if there still is any evidence or sign of Celts living in Poland back in those days.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,878
18 Mar 2011 #131
They just recently made an astounishing discovery in Saxony....it was actually more crowded with Celts way back then than today with Germans. Villages beside villages...

There should be lots to find in Poland to!
PennBoy 76 | 2,437
18 Mar 2011 #132
Got any links about that?
isthatu2 4 | 2,704
18 Mar 2011 #133
They just recently made an astounishing discovery in Saxony....it was actually more crowded with Celts way back then than today with Germans. Villages beside villages...

please,just leave the kilts to us though yeah..:)
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,878
18 Mar 2011 #134
Got any links about that?

Umm...not right now...there was a doku in the german TV and an article in Der Spiegel...

I will search further!

please,just leave the kilts to us though yeah..:)

Negotiable!

;)
isthatu2 4 | 2,704
18 Mar 2011 #135
Negotiable!

Well,it explains the german fascination with the nudist kulture I suppose,the running about naked bit,very Celtic warrior....on second thoughts,if you guys will cover up your wobbly bits you are more than welcome to the Kilt :)
Ironside 49 | 9,913
18 Mar 2011 #136
Look again at that map MW...

What do you know about that map? I can make you another with different patterns and color splashes.
First there archaeological findings, which needs to be interpreted. Then various archaeological findings on said area - so called sites- are compared looking for similarities and possible links between them. There goes some more work and interpretations, finally, paper about findings plus interpretations is publish, there goes much discussion, papers are publish to and fro, and finally there is consensus about interpretation of findings, but there are always somebody or few

somebodys

are argue against current interpretation.
There are map made, elaborations on interpretations are written and so on - but it all means only that most of historians agree with a said interpretation, it is not by any account a holy writ or factual events from the past- its only how professionals thinks

it all looked like, especially when there no collaborations from witnesses or there no written records.

*Sorry BB that I winded you up yesterday but I'm fed up with your constant attempts to make Germans look whiter then a first snow!

They done what they done, let face it and move along, not linger and get back to it again and again in a futile attempt to make it look better for Germans!
*
gumishu 11 | 5,017
18 Mar 2011 #137
anyone seriously postulating that Slavic people inhabited present-day Poland before Hunnic invasions (and probably even later Avaric invasion) is gravely misguided - even the toponomastic says most river names in Poland are not of Slavic origin ( they don't mean a thing in Polish) - archeological cultures connected with Slavic migration into central Europe appear for example in Bohemia only in 7th century - linking the Lusatian culture with Slavs (which was much proposed due to nationalistic positions in the interbellum and long after the II WW) has no actual base - don't know about Lusatian culture but several other archeological cultures are almost certainly linked with Germanic tribes inhabiting present day Poland (Wielbark culture, Przeworsk culture) - presetn day Poland was certainly inhabited once by Goths, Vandals, Sillings and other Germanic tribes
JonnyM 11 | 2,621
18 Mar 2011 #138
Germanic tribes

Yes. The earliest known inhabitants of Mazowsze were Burgundians.
Olaf 6 | 956
18 Mar 2011 #139
... and about half of todays Germany was inhabited by Slavic tribes, if I remember well.
gumishu 11 | 5,017
18 Mar 2011 #140
yes - but this was 7th century AD - after Germanic tribes moved west in masses
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
18 Mar 2011 #141
I wonder if there still is any evidence or sign of Celts living in Poland back in those days.

The fact that there is a Galicia in Poland and a Galicia in Spain.
gumishu 11 | 5,017
18 Mar 2011 #142
Galicja in Poland and Galicia in Spain have nothing to do with each other

the name Galicja is derived from a town of Halicz near Lvov - it was in the Ruthenian lands before it was acquired for Poland during the reign of Casimir the Great - the name started to be used after partitions of Poland by Austrian administration ( H sound in Ukrainian and Belarusian correspond to G in Polish (and Latin)) - in short the name Galicja (in Poland) has nothing to do with Celts
Ironside 49 | 9,913
18 Mar 2011 #143
it was in the Ruthenian lands

It was Polish land!

but this was 7th century AD - after Germanic tribes moved west in masses

How do you know ?

BB
The maps and theories you present was around since 30', then Poland had theory about Poland being a centre from where Slavic tribes originated.
Do not believe in your theory too hard, just because you like it!
gumishu 11 | 5,017
18 Mar 2011 #144
so how do you explain that except bigger towns Poles were minority there until 20th century and catholic faith was even smaller minority
Ironside 49 | 9,913
18 Mar 2011 #145
When ? Do you think that from 987 till 1939 things hadn't change? Secondly, do you think in terms Polish =Catholic?
gumishu 11 | 5,017
18 Mar 2011 #146
just to let you know - my grand grandmother was Ukrainian and she was from the close vicinity of Lvov - her husband and my grand grandfather was Polish - Ukrainians were a large part of inhabitance of these areas simply and they never moved there from the outside it was Poles who moved in - it is true that some Ukrainians got polonized in time but it hadn't change the fact that majority of Ukrainians just stayed Ukrainian
Spaniel 2 | 16
18 Mar 2011 #147
Hamas

Superbly eloquent post -- bravo!!
Ironside 49 | 9,913
18 Mar 2011 #148
they never moved there from the outside it was Poles who moved in

Sure, and they have records of that stretching 600 years of more?
Secondly Ukrainian is a new nation born in a middle of XIX century and dividing in three distinctive groups with slightly different history and attitude.

Let's talk about Małoplolska Wschodnia if you want and your claim that Poles were minority there, if you want of-curse but it is off-topic!

anyone seriously postulating

Yeah? Do you claim to know what was going on at the time?
gumishu 11 | 5,017
18 Mar 2011 #149
Yeah? Do you claim to know what was going on at the time?

sorry but it is well established by science that Slavs moved west and south starting 6th century starting from around middle run of Dniepr river - it is attested by archeological cultures and by early ancient geographies
Wosiu
19 Mar 2011 #150
Can you tell me how many Jewish presidents of Poland there have been?No?OK,

Why not?

Wojciech Jaruzelski - Russian Jew camouflaged as Polish nobleman,

Lech Wałęsa - according to some sources, a Jew with true name Lejba Kohne, according to other, jewish/gypsy mix,

Aleksander Kwaśniewski - pure Jew, true name of his father - Stoltzmann, Kwaśniewski`s wife - also pure Jewess, name Konty,

present Bronisław Komorowski - not a Jew but with Jewish wife.

Also....all this colored territories had been settled by german tribes till 1 AD

Bullshit! This is German nazi propaganda.

The true is that whole territory of present Poland and west half of present Germany were prehistoric Slavic territories.

Slavs are indigenous to present Poland territory and according to newest genetics, Slavs can be traced there back to 10.000 B.C.!

There are two things:

1. Slavs are much older Indoeuropeans than Germanic or Romanic nations, Slavic languages are very similar to classic Indian Sanskrit laguage (any Slac can understand ewen now many Sanskrit words).

2. So-called Aryan haplogroup R1A1 is distributed mostly among Poles, Tajiks and bramins in northern India (more than 50%)

In summary, Poles are direct descendants of Slavic Aryans which first moved to East from central Europe, established so-called Kurgan Civilisation and next conquered Indian subcontinent inhabited by black Dravidians and established classic Indian civilisation.

This was abt. 2.000 B.C. when Germans were still in caves.

BTW. According to genetics, Germans are not Aryan descendants nor even true germanic nation: they are mix of Germanic and Slavs and others.


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